Abortion

[palerider]

not a one of those books demonstrated what you're asserting in this thread

Actually they did. Sorry the material is over your head. With regard to biology, my claim is that unborns at any stage of development are living human beings. I provided credible material that explicitly corroborates my claim.

 

[palerider]

You claim it's 'wrong', yes?

I state that it is unconstitutional.

Demonstrate

Already have on multiple occasions.

 

[palerider]

Why is killing a human worse than killing a human being?

I make no "right or wrong" argument or a "better or worse" argument. Those sorts of arguments are no more than a matter of opinion and I can see why you might like to argue in that arena as an argument based on your opinion is no more and no less valid than that of a red faced Bible thumper. I am making an argument of fact and the law where my opinion, like yours is meaningless.

 

[palerider]

Back to arguing law?
I thought this was an ought thread, not an is by a certain interpretation of the law thread

There is no "interpretation" of the law by which a human being is not a person. Roe was decided based on an assumption that unborns were something other than human beings, not that they were human beings but not persons. Have you even read the case you are trying to defend?

That law can cahnge, btw. remember when we used to have 3/5 persons?

Actually, no individual was ever counted as 3/5 of a person.

 

[palerider]

What is that basis?

The constitution.

And can you demonstrate these 'rights'?

Can you read the constitution? If there are any big words that you don't understand, seek an adult to help you. If none is avialable, simply ask and I will help you out.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Are you a Christian?

You'll have to define "Christian" since there are more than 4000 arguing sects of that religion and all of them claim to have "God's Truth".

I think the good teachings of Jesus are an excellent way to live, on the other hand I think that much of the Bible is blasphemous idiocy based on the maundering of bloodthirsty, nomadic tribesmen.

 

[Zylstra]

Funny. PR couldn't form an argument for why abortion should be banned, so he turned to a legal argument regarding its current status (which is of being legal in many instances)

 

[Zylstra]

Actually they did. Sorry the material is over your head. With regard to biology, my claim is that unborns at any stage of development are living human beings. I provided credible material that explicitly corroborates my claim.

Your point? That in itself doesn't do anything to strengthen your argument for banning abortion.

 

[Zylstra]

I state that it is unconstitutional.

So you've changed your argument and no longer seek to admonish it but merely argue how it fits into the current legal framework?

 

[Zylstra]

Actually, no individual was ever counted as 3/5 of a person.

3/5 Clause

 

[Zylstra]

You'll have to define "Christian" since there are more than 4000 arguing sects of that religion and all of them claim to have "God's Truth".

I think the good teachings of Jesus are an excellent way to live, on the other hand I think that much of the Bible is blasphemous idiocy based on the maundering of bloodthirsty, nomadic tribesmen.

In the strictest sense, a Christian believes Jesus' claims to be god/his own son and attempts to follow Jesus' teachings/laws. it sounds as though your answer is 'no' but you view him, perhaps, in a manner similar to how might view ghandi. is that accurate?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

In the strictest sense, a Christian believes Jesus' claims to be god/his own son and attempts to follow Jesus' teachings/laws. it sounds as though your answer is 'no' but you view him, perhaps, in a manner similar to how might view ghandi. is that accurate?

I don't have an opinion on who or what Jesus was since there is no proof that He ever even existed as a coporeal person on planet Earth. His existence is irrelevant to me, I think the good things that are attributed to Him--actions and commandments--are what is valuable, not His unprovable "divinity".

For me, a Christian is someone who is following what Jesus said were the two most important commandments in the Bible--with that standard in mind it would appear that most self-identified Christians are mere posers and I do not identify with them at all.

 

[palerider]

Funny. PR couldn't form an argument for why abortion should be banned, so he turned to a legal argument regarding its current status (which is of being legal in many instances)

I have already made an argument why abortion should be banned. Sorry the material was over your head.

 

[palerider]

Your point? That in itself doesn't do anything to strengthen your argument for banning abortion.

Read the 14th amendment if you can read. "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

 

[palerider]

So you've changed your argument and no longer seek to admonish it but merely argue how it fits into the current legal framework?

My argument has never changed. Perhaps you have misunderstood the argument from the beginning. It does seem that you don't have the slightest idea what you are arguing against.