1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Discuss politics - join our community by registering for free here! HOP - the political discussion forum

"I'd be dead without Obamacare."

Discussion in 'Health' started by PLC1, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    16,999
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    Not a free market, now controlled by BOs regulations.
     
  2. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    16,999
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    Government, responsible and accountable.... mutually exclusive as we have seen time after time
     
  3. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,520
    Likes Received:
    289
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South of the Haggis Munching Line
    open to the suggestion then...
     
  4. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    16,999
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    Free market. Get government out of the healthcare biz. Costs started their meteoric rise when government jumped into it.
     
  5. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,520
    Likes Received:
    289
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South of the Haggis Munching Line
    For free market read greed....like Mylan for example...??
     
  6. Openmind

    Openmind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2011
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Currently Belgium
    We have something similar in Belgium, where some medications may be covered but ONLY when there is special need (i.e., an allergy to other, more "generic" medication to treat the same ailment. In my case, I have an intolerance to statins, so a different type of cholesterol medication that is much more expensive and is not directly on the list of accepted medication for coverage is recommended for me. And my insurances does therefore pay for it). It is pretty simple to get that special allowance, and it can be in place for 3 months, or a year, and renewed if needed.
     
  7. Openmind

    Openmind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2011
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Currently Belgium
    Then how do you explain that it is the government working in collaboration with private insurances that has made so many universal health care systems in so many country work so much better (and cheaper) than in the US?

    How do you explain that, private insurance covering only 20% of the cost is about 2X more expensive than Medicare who covers 80% of the cost?

    Even you would probably prefer to invest the $100 a month to get 80% healthcare coverage, rather than than $200 a month to cover the remaining 20%!

    You are talking BS again!
     
  8. Openmind

    Openmind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2011
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Currently Belgium
    I believe you are wrong. I worked with people who received medicaid most often due to their diagnosis of developmental disability. I worked with people in nursing home. If they lose their medicaid, they die. Medicaid is in fact a collaboration between federal and state funding. If federal funding disappear, the states will pay a LOT MORE to keep people alive. If that is the case, the poorest states (Bible belt, red states, mostly) will suffer the most. . .precisely those states who voted for Trump!

    The Republican plan to slash Medicaid, explained - Vox
    www.vox.com/policy-and.../3/.../medicaid-ahca-republican-obamacare-replacement
    5 days ago - The cumulative effect, according to an analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, is a $370 billion cut to federal funding to Medicaid ..

    Karma is a bitch!
     
  9. Openmind

    Openmind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2011
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Currently Belgium
    How can that be???? Your hero won't be able to accomplish all the evil he promised?
    You are actually believing that the GOP was wrong, that Trump was wrong?

    You mean to tell me that, after fighting to repeal ACA for 6+ years, this is ALL the GOP could come up with? And I thought they were so perfect!

    At least. . .you finally recognise that there is something a LOT WORSE than Obamacare. . .and that is "Trumpdon'tcare!"
     
  10. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    16,999
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    Greed exists regardless. Greed is what makes #2 Avia try harder to win your business. It moderates prices when the consumer can have a choice. When government picks winners and losers, the consumer loses worst of all.
    This is why trusting government to look after consumers is a bad joke. Government is greedy too.
     
    grumpy likes this.
  11. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    16,999
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    It's what Ryan came up with and will be his waterloo.
     
  12. grumpy

    grumpy Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2016
    Messages:
    646
    Likes Received:
    122
    Trophy Points:
    43
    He's no hero, IMO, he was our best hope at this time.. as far as fighting this for 6 plus years, the bill they just introduced isn't the final or even close, much more to come.. And in closing, Obama care sucks and I can vouch for that first hand.
     
  13. grumpy

    grumpy Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2016
    Messages:
    646
    Likes Received:
    122
    Trophy Points:
    43
    How can anyone not see this? Look elective surgery, (plastic surgery) has leveled off and going
    down..Competition....When the government takes over.. The cost of College
    Increased Tuition Subsidies Increase The Price Of College Tuition
    Why the Government is to Blame for High College Costs | US News ...
     
  14. grumpy

    grumpy Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2016
    Messages:
    646
    Likes Received:
    122
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Simply repealing the ACA as many conservative groups are proposing gets rid of its Medicaid expansion but leaves in place the expensive, open-ended federal Medicaid commitment. The AHCA is the first and best chance to actually slow Medicaid’s growth. Paul Ryan was right, If it fails to pass, conservatives may not get another chance.

    The AHCA is getting a lot of flack from both the left and the right, that to me means it may be a good idea, I don't love it, and the way it's written doesn't change enogh for me. . It far from perfect but it could be very good with some adjustments. And as Speaker Ryan has pointed out, it is not the final word on healthcare regulation. HHS Secretary Price will have the opportunity to rescind or modify hundreds of healthcare regulations and additional legislation dealing with issues that can’t be addressed in a reconciliation bill.

    Unless and until naysayers on the right come up with a better plan, providing tax credits to help a small group of Americans purchase health insurance seems a small price to pay for limiting our largest healthcare entitlement and replacing most of the much reviled ACA.
     
  15. Walter

    Walter Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2006
    Messages:
    1,456
    Likes Received:
    130
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Heart of Europe
    I hear you.
    Are you for a market without any regulations?
     
Loading...

Share This Page