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"I'd be dead without Obamacare."

Discussion in 'Health' started by PLC1, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. Openmind

    Openmind Well-Known Member

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    Good news! I am glad for you and your family. I know what it's like to get a positive biopsy result. . .as it happened to me 20 years ago.

    I was very lucky though. . .I had good insurance because of my husband's job. . .so I have never had to worry about "pre-existing condition" after this encounter with cancer!

    I sure hope that your daughter's next tests will be negative as well. I do not wish on anyone to find themselves confronted with a life threatening disease, even with insurance. . .

    I sure hope your daughter never has to deal with the "Trumpdon'tcare" insurance, and never has to explain that she does have a pre-existing condition!
     
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    Openmind Well-Known Member

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    It is already well known that he loves big pharmaceutical industry. . .he has already met with them, and has guaranteed that their prices would remain HIGH!

    Do you know how much the drug for Hepatitis C costs in the US, versus other countries? I'll have to go look for that info again and post it as soon as I find it!

    Here it is:

    In the US, Harvoni costs $94,500, in Europe less than 50,000€ and in India around $1,000.

    Harvoni buy in india Harvoni Cost in USA Canada Europe Egypt India ...
    www.liia-labuan.org/media/prod/harvoni-buy-in-india

    Well, I found the cost of chemotherapy comparison first, so here it is:

    Price of cancer drugs vastly higher in US, according to study
    https://www.ft.com/content/851cd240-2b6f-11e6-bf8d-26294ad519fc
    Jun 6, 2016 - Median cost of branded monthly treatment is more than three times higher ... The price of cancer drugs in the US is vastly higher than in other nations, ... with the EU had attempted to include provisions on drug prices but the ..
     
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  3. grumpy

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    thank you
    Thank you
     
  4. grumpy

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    I am very aware of the cost, But as you know this isn't trumps fault, and Obama made it worse..But we all agree something must be done..
     
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    Your leitmotiv is getting tiring! EVERYTHING is Obama's fault. . .NEVER the industry, the GOP blocking bills to lower cost of drugs, or Trump himself making deal to BENEFIT the big pharmaceutical industry AND the CEO's of the health care private insurances!

    Wow! How powerful you see Obama! He can even spy through a microwave, right?

    So silly!

    If it hadn't been for the GOP blocking everything they could, we we know have universal healthcare, instead of ACA. . .
    If it wasn't for the GOP blocking any attempt to IMPROVE the ACA and their never ending focus on REPEALING the ACA instead of improving it. . .we would have a better ACA.

    Obama administration seeks to negotiate Medicare drug prices | Reuters
    www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-budget-medicare-idUSKBN0L61OW20150202
    Feb 2, 2015 - Obama administration seeks to negotiate Medicare drug prices ... one that would reducepatent protection on brand-name biotechnology drugs. ... "This is about us trying to find ways that we can continue with what we have talked ... year to $82.5 billion in 2016, partly due to the rising cost ofspecialty drugs.

    Congress Opposes President Obama’s Effort To Reduce Prescription Drug Costs
    By Rmuse on Mon, May 2nd, 2016 at 9:58 am

    "Doctors get paid more if they prescribe really expensive drugs because they get paid a percentage of the cost of the drug as an incentive."

    But Republicans have had 6 years to find a replacement to the ACA. . and they have done NOTHING! Except, of course, come up with a very sick, very destructive new "Trumpdon'tcare" version of the ACA! A version that will not only cost more money to the government, but also to each individual (except, of course, to the very wealthy and the big business CEO's!) and in that plan, they have included a HUGE INCREASE in cost for people like you . . .and I could say me and my husband, except that, since we are living in an Universal healthcare country, we will NOT see our rate increase! We will still be paying UNDER $900.00 per YEAR for excellent, readily available, and forward looking care.

    I feel sorry for you. . . .Karma is hell, and you, and those who voted for this monstrosity will be the ones suffering the most from the consequences of your choice!

    As I said before.. . I pray to God that you never have to watch your daughter fight a potentially deadly disease and the "Trumpdon'tcare" monstrosity, only to find out that she is now the victim of the repealed rule on "pre-existing condition!"
     
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    BO did cut them a sweetheart deal. Indisputable.
    As to Trump, jury is out.
     
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    No. . .Obama tried several times to limit the cost of medication. . .the GOP congress always refused to accept it. I have already posted two links (one from 2015, the other from 2016) to that effect.

    In the other hand. . .here is the REAL story that the bipartisan CBO 's detailed analysis of the new monstrosity concluded. I know. . .it is a pdf file, and it is detailed, so I doubt you will take time to read it. . .preferring to take partisan propaganda for the truth! Still. . .here is the real effect of the proposed "Trumpdon'tcare" bill!

    But just in case you don't even read it. . .here is a little summary: by 2018, 18 million more people will lose their insurance.
    By 2020, 21 additional millions will lose their insurance
    By 2026, 28 additional millions will have lost their insurance. . .making it twice as much uninsured people than under ACA.

    In addition, the "savings" made by this "program" will come mostly from cutting down on medicaid eligibility. . .this means that the most vulnerable (the disabled, the sick, the elderly) will lose their coverage (just to give an idea of what it really means, currently 70% of people in nursing home are covered by medicaid. . . maybe you can imagine the consequences?)

    Also, the low income people age 64 + would currently pay about $1,250 per year would see their bill go up to $14,500 by 2026.

    Yes. . .this is what the "Christian Right" have voted for! SICK!

    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/f...7-2018/costestimate/americanhealthcareact.pdf
     
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    Don't bring my daughter into this.. Please..Your cherry picking your cut and paste..you know what i'm talking about.. There is a lady who help design Obama Care, when finished went to work for the same big pharma..They got a really sweet deal with Obama..I'm not looking it up tonight, but if you found what you posted it's right there with them..
     
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    I've read it, doesn't surprise me.. The bill the way it stands won't pass.. Go back and look at the CBO's figures on the ACA.. now THAT'S FUNNY..
     
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    try reading your articles, what goes is EXPANDED Medicaid which only some states bought. It expanded to those not previously entitled so blind, aged disabled are unaffected. The ones who did get covered paid nothing, Medicaid costs nothing in premiums.
    Learn about preexisting before you bring it up. You are badly mistaken.
     
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    It would be interesting to see if there is anything within the final legislation dealing with capping prices on meds or having an oversight body which authorises certain meds based on efficacy and value for money for example. In the UK we have a body called the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, this is a regulatory body of scientists/doctors/practitioners etc. who amongst many other things "authorise" meds based on certain (strict) criteria for use within the NHS. It is independent of government and the pharma industry, indeed it gets a lot of critisism from the pharma groups because it has the power to ban drugs from use within the NHS it there are better/cheaper alternatives for example.
    Just thought I'd throw that out...
     
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    ..and I'm pretty sure it does a good job? It makes sense to have an organisation free and independent to oversee how and where the tax payer’s money is spent. I know the Yanks have this monumental hangup about "socialised" healthcare but provided there is responsible and accountable fiscal oversight with teeth then at least explore the possibility.
     
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