Health Care Reform

[OldTrapper]

*Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.

*Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

Just one quesion, who is going to pay for it?

Actually two questions. What happens to SCHIPP's? Was not that intended to pay for children with pre-existing illnesses, or even any illness?

 

[OldTrapper]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

It doesn't surprise me that you'd object to spending that (actually) helps people.... rather-than killing people.


....Unless, of course, we're talkin' corporate welfare, right???

Do you mean like TARP money, or federal funding for abortions, both of which Democrats support?

You do know that corporate welfare is one of those policies put in place by Democrats like FDR during the depression, and Carter for the oil companies during the "crisis" he created.

 

[AtheismIsReality]

"Marxist" is a cliche.

 

[asur]

Q: If it passes, will more jobs disappear?
A: Absolutley.

Q: If it passes, will healthcare premiums go up?
A: Absolutley.

Q: If it passes will doctors leave the profession?
A: Absolutely.

 

[Gipper]

"[G]iving [Congress] a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole [Constitution] to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please. Certainly, no such universal power was meant to be given them." --Thomas Jefferson

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Just one quesion, who is going to pay for it?

I give-up.

Who's paying for your health-insurance, presently?

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[Mr. Shaman]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Do you mean like TARP money, or federal funding for abortions, both of which Democrats support?

Which Democrats support federal funding for abortions??

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[Mr. Shaman]

Q: If it passes, will more jobs disappear?
A: Absolutley.

Q: If it passes, will healthcare premiums go up?
A: Absolutley.

Q: If it passes will doctors leave the profession?
A: Absolutely.

Just like allllllllllllllllll o' those WMDs that were found.....right?


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[Mr. Shaman]

"[G]iving [Congress] a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole [Constitution] to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please. Certainly, no such universal power was meant to be given them." --Thomas Jefferson

Kinda sounds like the Lil' Dumbya Regime, huh?


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[OldTrapper]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Which Democrats support federal funding for abortions??

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I know, Stupak, and pro-life Democrats, are blowing wind, right?

Do you ever ask yourself any hard questions like why the Senate Democrats would not pass amendments to their bill that would prevent any federal funds from being used for abortions? Or why in the House 190 Democrats voted against a simlar bill?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/12/17/hatch.abortion.funding.index.html

Our opponents will tell us that the abortion funding language in the Senate bill is essentially the Hyde language that is included in the annual Labor-HHS Appropriations Bill. That is not true.

The Hyde amendment specifically removes elective abortions from government programs, but the Senate bill allows elective abortions to be offered under two huge government initiatives -- the insurance marketplace and the public option.

The Democratic bill tries to explain this nonsensical scheme by calling for the segregation of federal dollars from abortion coverage in plans that are bought using federal subsidies. Health plans offering abortion would be prohibited from using federal subsidies for the procedure, instead using money from premiums paid by subscribers.

This "segregation" of funds actually violates the intent of the Hyde amendment, which prevents funding of abortion not only by federal funds but also by state matching funds, within the same plan.

It is important to note that today the Medicaid program receives both federal and state dollars -- yet states that do provide elective abortions for Medicaid beneficiaries must do so from a completely different account that uses state-only dollars.

To be clear, the Senate health care reform bill would require at least one health plan to offer elective abortions in each state health insurance exchange. Today, no federal health program requires the coverage of elective abortions. The Democratic bill is a clear departure from current law.

We must remember that when the Hyde amendment was enacted in 1976, the majority of our nation's citizens disagreed with being forced to pay for abortion. That has not changed. In poll after poll, Americans have indicated they do not want public money to be used for abortions. So my question to the Democratic-led Senate leadership is this: When is this Congress going to start listening to the American people?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Democrats - 219

Chickenhawks - 212

 

[OldTrapper]

Democrats - 219

Chickenhawks - 212

The people- 0

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The people- 0

.....And, TEXAS distinguishes itself, once MORE!!!!!!!!!!!​

"Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) acknowledged late Sunday night that a Republican yelled "baby killer" as Democratic Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) urged his fellow Democrats to vote down a Republican amendment on abortion services in the health-care legislation.

Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) said he heard the remark and said it did come from in the area of where the Texas and California delegations sit. He said he believes he knows who yelled it, but declined to say anymore."

(Havin' a lil' problem finding your assigned-seat, Joe???)

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[OldTrapper]

.....And, TEXAS distinguishes itself, once MORE!!!!!!!!!!!​

(Havin' a lil' problem finding your assigned-seat, Joe???)

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What, you hiding your links so well that one can't find them? Are you that ashamed of them?

 

[CHAINSAW]

What "whining"? Only Left Wing Liberal Democrats would say that.
Because Republicans and Independents realize that this disaster will bankrupt the Country. Anyone that believes the numbers issued by the CBO are realistic (since they were NEVER given the real terms of the legislation) then you ALL are on crack! Republicans and Independents want Health Care Reform, just not the crap the Democrats have shoved down our throats. I have hope that the Supreme Court will find many of the terms of this monstrosity to be Unconstitutional and then we can get back to crafting real reform, like Tort Reform, Health Insurance sold across State lines, pre-existing conditions allowances etc. and not have the NAZI’S at the IRS not being involved at all.
So Democrats, YOU STOP YOUR WHINING!!!!