Health Care Reform

[Mr. Shaman]

"conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Obama's got a real Conservative working for him!!

It's gonna GET DONE!!!!

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[ASPCA4EVER]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Obama's got a real Conservative working for him!!​

It's gonna GET DONE!!!!​

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Oh, no...you can't take that high pitched 'WHINE' away from them ...then what would they have to talk about...they can't come up with a plan on their own so out of the total frustration with their ineptitude that only leaves the sniveling/whine/some screeching monkey cries/and pathetic foot stamping. Just offer up some fine selection of cheese and let them feast

 

[Little-Acorn]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Sounds like the speeches pointing out the failures of socialized health care are having an effect. The lefties are moving to Stage 2: Pretend conservatives have no basis for their accusations, ignore the examples they give, pretend they are somehow "whining", call them names, but whatever you do, DON'T respond to their pointing out how your agenda has failed every time it's tried.

Wonder how long it will be before Stage 3 shows up.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Sounds like the speeches pointing out the failures of socialized health care are having an effect. The lefties are moving to Stage 2: Pretend conservatives have no basis for their accusations, ignore the examples they give, pretend they are somehow "whining", call them names, but whatever you do, DON'T respond to their pointing out how your agenda has failed every time it's tried.

Yeah...how could we possibly fend-off a "conservative"-attack?

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[Mr. Shaman]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

I guess this'd qualify as another Canadian Health-Care Horror-Story.​

"What I removed from the story above, was the sheer panic of not knowing what was going on, seeing your brand new baby subjected to multiple tests, with not many people telling you what's going on. The unknown of what to do, and the general feeling of helplessness. Add to that, your wife is feeling the same thing, except she has the added effect of hormones which is doing all sorts of things...and she just passed something the size of a large football, but I digress."

 

[Andy]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

I guess this'd qualify as another Canadian Health-Care Horror-Story.

Ava Isabella Stinson was born last Thursday at St. Joseph's hospital in Hamilton, Ontario. Weighing only two pounds, she was born 13 weeks premature and needed some very special care. Unfortunately, there were no open neonatal intensive care beds for her at St. Joseph's -- or anywhere else in the entire province of Ontario, it seems.

Canada's perfectly planned and cost-effective system had no room at the inn for Ava, who of necessity had to be sent across the border to a Buffalo, N.Y., hospital to suffer under our chaotic and costly system. She had no time to be put on a Canadian waiting list. She got the care she needed at an American hospital under a system President Obama has labeled "unsustainable."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20090630/bs_ibd_ibd/20090630issues01

Yes. I agree.

 

[KingClovis]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Obama's plan essentially comes down to this: 1) if you have health insurance now, you'll have to pay more for it in the future, in return for less care; 2) if you don't have health insurance now, you'll get it 'on the cheap', in the future, but it won't provide adequate care. Nobody wins.

 

[Pandora]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

I guess this'd qualify as another Canadian Health-Care Horror-Story.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20090630/bs_ibd_ibd/20090630issues01

Yes. I agree.

Canada is lucky to have us to turn to. I know one Canadian lady who did not want to wait 3 years to get surgery on her leg so she paid to have it done in the states, and a good friend of mine who moved to Canada has a daughter with a rare disease, most of the research is done here because Canada cant afford it. When our health care is as bad as Canada, I wonder where we go?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Canada is lucky to have us to turn to. I know one Canadian lady who did not want to wait 3 years to get surgery on her leg so she paid to have it done in the states, and a good friend of mine who moved to Canada has a daughter with a rare disease, most of the research is done here because Canada cant afford it. When our health care is as bad as Canada, I wonder where we go?

Aw, c'mon....with your imagination (previously displayed ), you can certainly come-up with SOMEthing!!

Here....TRY building on thishttp://transgriot.blogspot.com/2009/06/10-busted-myths-about-canadian.html.....​

 

[top gun]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

91 percent of Canadians like their health care system
Chuck Sweeny
July 1st, 2008

U.S. politicians — Republican variety — love to disparage Canada’s national health care system with the fact-free observation that Canadians come here to get vital operations so they don’t have to wait in line in Canada.

Because I’m a frequent visitor to Canada, and I actually talk to real people there, I’ve replied to these Republicans that Canadians I’ve talked to say they wouldn’t trade their health care for anything else, especially America’s roll-of-the-dice nonsystem of private insurance — “maybe we’ll cover you for that, maybe we won’t.”

Now I have data to back up these informal conversations: In a new, bi-national opinion poll done by Canada’s CTV television network and the national newspaper Globe & Mail, 91 percent of Canadians said they prefered their national health care system over America’s pseudo-private system.

Ninety-One percent. In the world of scientific opinion polling, that’s about as unanimous as you ever get.

Also, 45 percent of Americans surveyed prefered Canada’s system, and 42 percent prefered to stick with what we’ve got.

The poll also showed that more Canadians, 26 percent, like Barack Obama better than their own leader. Prime Minister Stephen Harper got 21 percent. Harper, a Conservative, is running a minority government in a country that is decidedly more liberal than the U.S.

It’s July 1. Happy Canada Day.

Entry Filed under: Canada Poll

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In fact, you’re more likely to find Americans hitting up Mexico for its dramatically cheaper health care:

Driven by rising health care costs at home, nearly 1 million Californians cross the border each year to seek medical care in Mexico, according a new paper by UCLA researchers and colleagues published today in the journal Medical Care.

An estimated 952,000 California adults sought medical, dental or prescription services in Mexico annually.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

whats funny is how many republicans love to post this bull crap about this lady had to wait 3 years for X...very rare to I ever see proof, or does it even say what they had done...for all we know on some it could have been boob implants...and they seem to forget the backlog of people without coverage who never got any treatment, or fought for years with insurance companies to get the coverage they paid for in the first place...the people who fought with there insurance and never got it, becuse someone wanted to save a buck...or hide behind some small print ....No its perfect here, its great....provided you get luck and have insurance and 2 they actuly cover what they are suppose to, and 3 you dont lose your job and thus coverage.

 

[Pandora]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

whats funny is how many republicans love to post this bull crap about this lady had to wait 3 years for X...very rare to I ever see proof, or does it even say what they had done...for all we know on some it could have been boob implants...and they seem to forget the backlog of people without coverage who never got any treatment, or fought for years with insurance companies to get the coverage they paid for in the first place...the people who fought with there insurance and never got it, becuse someone wanted to save a buck...or hide behind some small print ....No its perfect here, its great....provided you get luck and have insurance and 2 they actuly cover what they are suppose to, and 3 you dont lose your job and thus coverage.

Pocket, I personally know a woman who is Canadian and this happened to her. Do you really expect me to ask her for a document?

She doesnt complain about Canada health care or anything, she just told me what was going on and how it was worth it to her to pay for it here. My other friend who is American and my old co worker moved to Canada when she got married. I know about health care for her, her husband and the two kids from her. One of her children has a pretty bad health condition, the other does not.


Did you really think I should ask her for proof?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

Pocket, I personally know a woman who is Canadian and this happened to her. Do you really expect me to ask her for a document?

She doesnt complain about Canada health care or anything, she just told me what was going on and how it was worth it to her to pay for it here. My other friend who is American and my old co worker moved to Canada when she got married. I know about health care for her, her husband and the two kids from her. One of her children has a pretty bad health condition, the other does not.


Did you really think I should ask her for proof?

I was talking more in general,

 

[Andy]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

whats funny is how many republicans love to post this bull crap about this lady had to wait 3 years for X...very rare to I ever see proof, or does it even say what they had done...for all we know on some it could have been boob implants...and they seem to forget the backlog of people without coverage who never got any treatment, or fought for years with insurance companies to get the coverage they paid for in the first place...the people who fought with there insurance and never got it, becuse someone wanted to save a buck...or hide behind some small print ....No its perfect here, its great....provided you get luck and have insurance and 2 they actuly cover what they are suppose to, and 3 you dont lose your job and thus coverage.

Typical idiotic answer. Hey pocket, how many examples do you need? I can fill this entire forum with them. Let's start with a few.

Carri Ash of Chilliwack, B.C. was sent to the U.S. to have her baby after her water broke on Sunday, ten weeks ahead of schedule.

"And they came in and said 'you're going to Seattle,'" she said.

Ash's hospital couldn't handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn't have a neo-natal bed.

"So two provinces didn't have enough room, so I have to go to another country," said Ash.

Let's see... all the hospitals throughout two entire provinces in Canada, and none can handle another patient? Shocking....
Not enough?

A letter from the Moncton Hospital to a New Brunswick heart patient in need of an electrocardiogram said the appointment would be in three months. It added: "If the person named on this computer-generated letter is deceased, please accept our sincere apologies."

More? It gets better.

It calculates that at present rates, Ontario will be spending 85 percent of its budget on health care by 2035. "We can't afford a state monopoly on health care anymore," says Tasha Kheiriddin, Ontario director of the federation. "We have to examine private alternatives as well."

What? Socialism isn't working? You mean a guy INSIDE the government is saying, private health care is the future? I'm shocked... really...
More?

Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care.

The waits, in some instances, have had devastating consequences.

“There have been very serious health-care problems that have arisen in neurosurgical patients because of the lack of ability to attain timely transport to expert neurosurgical centres in Ontario,” said R. Loch Macdonald, chief of the division of neurosurgery at St. Michael's Hospital in Toronto. Those problems, he said, include “brain injury or brain damage that could have been prevented by earlier treatment.”

Socialized care with unequipped hospitals, results in preventable brain damage and injury? Shocking.... I'm shocked... really....
More?

A man who died while waiting 34 hours for care in a Winnipeg emergency room has been identified.

Brian Sinclair, 45, died at the Winnipeg Health Sciences Centre (WHSC) in what some are calling the worst emergency room failure in Manitoba's history.

A socialized government run hospital ignores a patient for 34 hours in the ER? A day and half, ignored him, and he died. I'm shocked.... totally shocked.... really...
More?

"They said to me that you had a brain tumor and it was pressing on your optic chasm and that it needed to come out immediately," Holmes said.

Holmes is Canadian, but the "they" she refers to are doctors at the Mayo Clinic in the United States, where she turned after specialists in her own government-run health care system would not see her fast enough.

"My family doctor at that time tried to get me in to see an endocrinologist and a neurologist," Holmes recalled. "It was going to be four months for one specialist and six months for the other."

And that's just to see the specialist who then allows you to get on the waiting list for the surgery. In other words, she had 3 to 6 months more to wait after she waited 3 to 4 for the specialist. Meanwhile she's having headaches and blurred vision, and could die, all while having been told she needed surgery immediately... by US doctors.
Of that's not good enough for you, I'll go on.

Here's a video containing dozens of examples, just for you...

Let me give you some highlights from the video, in case watching the truth on youtube, is just too hard.

• This guy flew to Canada to see the Canadian health care first hand.
• He went to a public clinic, found it closed Saturday and Sunday.
• A worker actually told him "don't get sick on the weekend."
• So he went to the ER at the hospital, they told him it could be a 10 hour wait.
• Another patient there was actually sent home after 9 hours, and told to wait till Monday to see a specialist.
• He went to another clinic the next day, and said he wanted a blood test for cholesterol.
• He was told they couldn't do that without a reason, and he had to get a family doctor.
• When he asked how long it would take to get a family doctor, they told him three years.

Best of all.... when he said he really didn't want to wait three years, she suggest he get private insurance (recently allowed in Canada btw. A few years back it was illegal, and he'd be SOL).

• He then goes to a local community clinic, also publicly funded.
• It was only open from 9 AM till 12 PM and closed Friday.
• The clinic says they can't help because they were not allowed to take anymore patients.
• Again, the lady suggest he pay for service at a private clinic!

Then he does some personal interviews, including the lady in the cover image whose mother needed surgery to fix a circulatory problem in one of her legs. The surgery was delayed over a year until not only was her leg inoperable, but it also effected the other leg as well. Her mother ended up having both legs amputated for a completely treatable illness. Yay free health care!

Yet for how crappy their health care is, everything is more expensive and taxes are much higher.

Now Pocket, how many more examples of Canadian crappy health care do you need? I'll make ten more posts just and long with different stories, videos and articles on each one if you need. Just let me know how many perfect examples of bad socialized care you need, and I'll give you as many as you like.

 

[top gun]

Re: "conservatives"; Quit Your WHINING About Health-Care!

whats funny is how many republicans love to post this bull crap about this lady had to wait 3 years for X...very rare to I ever see proof, or does it even say what they had done...for all we know on some it could have been boob implants...and they seem to forget the backlog of people without coverage who never got any treatment, or fought for years with insurance companies to get the coverage they paid for in the first place...the people who fought with there insurance and never got it, becuse someone wanted to save a buck...or hide behind some small print ....No its perfect here, its great....provided you get luck and have insurance and 2 they actuly cover what they are suppose to, and 3 you dont lose your job and thus coverage.

Well you can see my poll from the Canadian newspapers on page #1 that shows 91% approve of their Healthcare system.

And my friends in Yellow Knife & Toronto like it. In fact they thought ours was much better than it is and they still liked theirs better.

The Canadians I know were surprised at the huge gaps in our system. They thought that if you didn't have employer healthcare coverage that Welfare type coverage was then what was used automatically. And they were blown away saying... no no no we don't want that then, eh... when I told them that people could be sued for medical bills and even be forced to sell their primary residence to cover the debt.

What the real story is if you're a Canadian with a lot of money you can come down here and pay for anything you want. Up there wealth doesn't automatically give you a different quality of service.

It would be the same down here with the style of Universal Healthcare being purposed. There will still be a private sector. Anyone with a lot of money will either be in the private system and it will be like it is now (it has it's own wait time) or they can afford to just pay whatever amount for the service to be done even more quickly.

The difference is everybody is covered by healthcare and it doesn't have to be tied to an employer.