Who Shouldnt Have Guns?

[numinus]

The suggestion of the poster who says we should turn them in for the good of society infers that we are to volunteer to assume the financial loss inasmuch as he does not suggest that the government buy them back... good luck with that one.

Volunteering to give up guns is completely unnecessary in the face of the state's SOVEREIGN WILL. And the state's sovereign will is manifested through its laws and the armed forces it controls to ensure compliance with the laws.

Now, if you are suggesting that you stand a chance against that, then you probably need more luck than I do.

 

[numinus]

Notice that he never volunteers as to what bastion of democracy he is from.

And what has that to do with the facts and logic my argument is based on, hmmm?

Or do you plan to use my ethnicity and citizenship to defeat the arguments I proposed?

Good luck on that one.

 

[Rhodri]

With the same success as slavery and racial prejudice, I imagine.

No one is suggesting that it is an easy undertaking. The task of reconstituting society almost always isn't.



Now you are suggesting that guns are necessary to an individual's existence???

I wonder what facts and logic you based that opinion on???

Racial, slavery huh?? What does that have to do with anything? Unless you're talking about basic human rights, then that would support my case.

So, we need to reconstitute society now? Why don't we reconstitute the legal system instead and leave law abiding citizens alone, how's about that?

Guns are necessary, unless you believe pleas, begging and tears are effective. Do a simple google search. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=home+invasion+cases&start=20&sa=N

 

[numinus]

Racial, slavery huh?? What does that have to do with anything? Unless you're talking about basic human rights, then that would support my case.

Kinda slow today, aren't you?

You are saying that it is impossible to abolish private gun ownership today the same way it seemed impossible then to abolish slave ownership, or question the natural superiority of the white man over coloureds.

Is that simple enough english for you?

No fact nor logic supports your case.

So, we need to reconstitute society now? Why don't we reconstitute the legal system instead and leave law abiding citizens alone, how's about that?

Is it now your contention that the defects in legal system causes homicide???

Guns are necessary, unless you believe pleas, begging and tears are effective. Do a simple google search. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=home+invasion+cases&start=20&sa=N

Is there any peer-reviewed study to support your case in that simple google search you did? Or is it more of the same site as the one you presented previously?

 

[Rhodri]

Kinda slow today, aren't you?

You are saying that it is impossible to abolish private gun ownership today the same way it seemed impossible then to abolish slave ownership, or question the natural superiority of the white man over coloureds.

No, I just don't see how anyone can equate slavery with an individual's tendency towards violent crime and stripping law abiding citizens of the ability to protect themselves and loved ones from such crimes. You seem to live in some la-la land where rules and making laws are some sort of cure all. And..what's all this white man, coloureds crap? You are out there man...way out there!

 

[numinus]

No, I just don't see how anyone can equate slavery with an individual's tendency towards violent crime and stripping law abiding citizens of the ability to protect themselves and loved ones from such crimes. You seem to live in some la-la land where rules and making laws are some sort of cure all. And..what's all this white man, coloureds crap? You are out there man...way out there!

LOL.

You said:

...The government can rid the U.S. of guns? Now there's a naive bit of thinking, I suppose with the same success they've had in the battle against drugs and prostitution...

to which I replied:

With the same success as slavery and racial prejudice, I imagine.

Your idea of an individual's 'right' to own a gun (against all logic and to the detriment of society, might I add) proceeds in the same vein as the idea that white people have the right to own another human being.

In the latter case, logic prevailed over prejudice. There is no reason to think that logic wouldn't prevail in the former.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

LOL.
You said:
to which I replied:

Your idea of an individual's 'right' to own a gun (against all logic and to the detriment of society, might I add) proceeds in the same vein as the idea that white people have the right to own another human being.

In the latter case, logic prevailed over prejudice. There is no reason to think that logic wouldn't prevail in the former.

It would seem to stand to reason then, that logic would prevail over bigotry and prejudice in the matter of giving all adults equal protection under the law like the US Constitution say. No, I'm just kidding, I know you have magic logic to justify THAT discrimination. You don't seem to be much on the US Constitution, Nums, you a commie?

 

[numinus]

It would seem to stand to reason then, that logic would prevail over bigotry and prejudice in the matter of giving all adults equal protection under the law like the US Constitution say.

That is correct.

Duh?

No, I'm just kidding, I know you have magic logic to justify THAT discrimination.

What discrimination, hmmm?

You don't seem to be much on the US Constitution, Nums, you a commie?

Does it really give you comfort to label people 'commie' or 'conservative' or what not?

Does it -- somehow -- in that feeble imagination of yours -- justify arrogating for yourself and that minority group you belong to, special rights and privileges?

 

[dahermit]

Duh?

Does it really give you comfort to label people 'commie' or 'conservative' or what not?

Does it really give you comfort to label people as bigots and stupid and subject them to constant insults?

And, do not bother to maintain that "they" started the insults... you include them with virtually every poster who opposes you. You social maladjustment is obvious to everyone but you.

 

[PLC1]

I am a 39 yrs old (born aug 25, 1969) geodetic engineer (or what you call in your country as a professional licensed surveyor). I am usually involved in infrastructure projects like roads, dikes, bridges, etc. Currently, I am doing geodetic control surveys using survey-grade gps technology.

International engineering consultants I have worked with include nippon koei (japanese), wagner biro (austrian), hanjin (korean) and louise berger (american). I have worked on usaid small and medium scale infra projects also.

Oh, and I obtained my degree on a full scholarship.

And, you're so much cooler online!

 

[dahermit]

Kinda slow today, aren't you?

You are saying that it is impossible to abolish private gun ownership today the same way it seemed impossible then to abolish slave ownership, or question the natural superiority of the white man over coloureds.

Is that simple enough english for you?

No fact nor logic supports your case.

The proposed abolishment of slavery led to secession which led to a civil war. You seem too enamored with your own pseudo intellectualism to allow yourself aware that this is his point. The only other person that I have known to be so taken with himself was the only person in his village to have a high school education or a pair of shoes.

By the way, although it is spelled differently, when pronounced phonetically, "numinus" in Polish means: "an annoying little brown monkey".
An appropriate name.

 

[PLC1]

The proposed abolishment of slavery led to secession which led to a civil war. You seem too enamored with your own pseudo intellectualism to allow yourself aware that this is his point. The only other person that I have known to be so taken with himself was the only person in his village to have a high school education or a pair of shoes.

By the way, although it is spelled differently, when pronounced phonetically, "numinus" in Polish means: "an annoying little brown monkey".
An appropriate name.

Not to mention that it's just a tad more difficult to hide a slave than it is to hide a gun.

 

[numinus]

Does it really give you comfort to label people as bigots and stupid and subject them to constant insults?

Sigh.

Not all people -- just the one's who initiate verbal abuse against me.

A cursory perusal of this thread will prove just that.

And, do not bother to maintain that "they" started the insults... you include them with virtually every poster who opposes you. You social maladjustment is obvious to everyone but you.

Why would I bother, indeed, since all my posts are available for anyone interested enough to read, hmmm?

 

[numinus]

And, you're so much cooler online!

I'm flattered you find my description of myself cool since that is exactly what I am.

I posted it under the duhermits offer of an olive branch and honesty. I wouldn't have posted it under any other circumstance. I am not in the habit of using my credentials in lieu of argument.

Criticize the message, not the messenger.

 

[numinus]

The proposed abolishment of slavery led to secession which led to a civil war. You seem too enamored with your own pseudo intellectualism to allow yourself aware that this is his point. The only other person that I have known to be so taken with himself was the only person in his village to have a high school education or a pair of shoes.

And I replied, if it totally escaped you, that conforming with principles rather than inclination, is almost always a difficult business.

That is the price of rational thought.

By the way, although it is spelled differently, when pronounced phonetically, "numinus" in Polish means: "an annoying little brown monkey".
An appropriate name.

You love that, don't you? Calling other people monkey when the fact is, caucasians have more body hair than any other ethnic group on the planet.

Not to mention the fact that asian civilization has been flourishing long before the european inhabitants even learned the written word.

Be that as it may, I wouldn't heap indignity on the monkey by comparing it to you.