What a sad, truly sad statement about our homophobic way of thinking!

[Little-Acorn]

"Homophobic": A deceptive term invented by gays and their advocates, in an attempt to pretend that a natural dislike of homosexual relations is somehow a "fear" in "misguided" people.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

"Homophobic": A deceptive term invented by gays and their advocates, in an attempt to pretend that a natural dislike of homosexual relations is somehow a "fear" in "misguided" people.

Your mundane/redundant repetitive posts are as boring as your misquoted/incorrect signature...but so telling about your POV

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Wrong. They were not expected to sleep, dress, and shower with openly gay men.

Well, if they're afraid, then that's homophobia, and if they aren't afraid, then what's the problem? No man ever went into the service without knowing that gay men serve too, it's been an open secret--so why bother? Is it just fear?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

The point is that the military relies on a cohesiveness that does not bend to the prevailing social whim of the day.

No other army with openly gay members has had a problem, why are American men so afraid? The same crap was bruted about when women started serving in forward positions and that turned out to be nonsense too.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

The most effective way to dismiss those who promote and encourage homosexuality is to quote our Creator: homosexuality is an "Abomination"!!
Now that is very clear , very understandable, even to "progressives"!
Do you seriously believe your creator ,whom created YOU in his likeness ,advocated homosexuality? Case closed!

If we're gonna quote God, then let's do it: Thou shalt not kill. Do you seriously believe your Creator, who created YOU in His likeness, advocates killing?

Where did Jesus say that killing was okay? He didn't, He said love others as yourself, turn the other cheek, return good for evil... You cannot justify your bigotry and hatred with Scripture unless you cherry pick just the ones you want.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

YES!!, Many times having a 'DISCRIMINATORY' taste can be a very good thing!ie.my taste discriminates against my thrist attempting to drink tainted water.
As for my parents having gay or lesbian DNA,if that were true and they did not discriminate against their DNA, I and my brothers and sisters would not be here. The evils of satan lives only in man, the animal kingdom is more discriminatory , ever see or hear of a horse mating with a cow?
Suggestion!, Replace DADT with YOUR creators words! case closed!

Homosexuality is very widespread in the animal kingdoms, especially among the higher animals.

Equating homosexuality with bestiality is sillier than aluminum doghair.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Nice try ASPCA. You know there's a preponderance of evidence in comparative psychology and an industry that has shown sexual-preference is learned.

I know of identical twins who one turned out lesbian and one hetero. How can that be under the DNA model?

Geez, you can say more and say less than... First off, identical twins are not identical, and the correlation in identical twins in sexual orientation is over 2/3 which, from a scientific standpoint, is nearly proof positive of an innate propensity.

Again, I call bullsh1p on your animal abuse industry. What percentage of the total animal population do you manage to twist in your little barns? It cannot be more than a tiny part of 1% of bulls and stallions that you use, and that number out of a population is not statistically significant. When you manage to twist 2/3 of the animals, then come and talk to me.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

I'm not familiar with this preponderance of evidence. Perhaps you could cite your sources.

Siho is a member of the group of people who abuse animals sexually to collect semen to sell. She feels that since she can twist the sexual response of a stallion or bull by housing it in a secure location and using scents and sometimes manual stimulation to respond and ejaculate into a false vagina mounted on a fake cow or on a steer, that all gay people have had this same thing done to them and that's why they are gay.

She has cited numerous scientific journal articles--none of which support her position if one reads them closely. She has lied about having a degree in biology, when in fact she has no biological education. Any time she makes a statement based on scientific facts you need to check because she tends to make up her scientific facts off the cuff as necessary.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Your mundane/redundant repetitive posts are as boring as your misquoted/incorrect signature...but so telling about your POV

And your inability to refute either, followed by your insistence there's still something wrong with the content of them, is very telling about yours.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Geez, you can say more and say less than... First off, identical twins are not identical, and the correlation in identical twins in sexual orientation is over 2/3 which, from a scientific standpoint, is nearly proof positive of an innate propensity.

Again, I call bullsh1p on your animal abuse industry. What percentage of the total animal population do you manage to twist in your little barns? It cannot be more than a tiny part of 1% of bulls and stallions that you use, and that number out of a population is not statistically significant. When you manage to twist 2/3 of the animals, then come and talk to me.

Amusing isn't it that she has this one example {ONE SET OF TWINS} that she knew while growing up and that is what she bases her theory on: she has no collaboration study, no other examples of twins, no DNA listing for either one yet that's her PROOF...

Frankly, I'm beginning to think that Siho does stand up comedy somewhere and this is where she practices her material...it sure makes me > LMAO

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Just the one, sorry to disappoint.
And if the reason you use the term DNA linked is to suggest its a DNA matter, there is no evidence to suggest that. If it is, on the other hand to suggest blood relative as a sense of genealogical proximity then never mind. The First Cousin once removed is a blood relative.

Don't follow Siho down into a hole in the ground, dog. There is a lot of evidence to show that sexual orientation is genetic. Statistically there is evidence that having a gay son is connected to higher fertility in women. There is an immune response that some women have in which their bodies try to feminize male fetuses. Many of the manmade fat-soluble chemicals act like female hormones in the body, which can cause all kinds of problems for male fetuses and can cause premature puberty in females. There is also a connection between these chemical exposures in utero and the later development of cancer. Don't try to argue the biology of this without a background in the subject.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Sure, sorry. Here's one very good study with hundreds of references to other studies cited in its footnotes that support it.
http://www-psychology.concordia.ca/fac/pfaus/Pfaus-Kippin-Centeno(2001).pdf
The artificial insemination industry in livestock and endangered species propogation has relied on the fact for years that young animals just before entering puberty can be trained to ejaculate on nearly anything by using classical conditioning training pairing stimuli with reward of orgasm. After they're trained to the new object [with bulls it is often other castrated bulls called steers], they actually prefer that object to estrus females in order to ejaculate.

ASPCA and Mare hate this fact and their only rebuttal, if you can call it that, is "people aren't animals!".

I assure you and so does the entire field of Comparative Psychology, they are.

As to the twins it is a pair of girls that grew up with my daughter. She still keeps in touch with them through Myspace. One identifies herself as a lesbian and the other hetero. They are identical twins. Genetic theory is in the can on that one. All it takes is one set of identical twins with differing orientation to disprove the genetic theory.

Read the articles, but don't believe what Siho tells you about them.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

The phrase that gays themselves embrace [and use to invite youngsters to dances and other gay events in my area] "Bi-curious" itself nullifies the hard-wired theory.

However, their invitation and the use of the word "bi-curious" does support the environmental angle..

The fallible Siho speaking ex cathedra from her bellybutton. Research suggests that most people are capable of responding bi-sexually, just as all of us are capable of getting drunk. Bi-curious is kind of like alcohol-curious, some of drink, some don't, some become alcoholics. Trying to pin down human behavior as complex as sexuality to ONE determining factor is a losing game. Especially when on has no scientific education.

 

[Sihouette]

Read the articles, but don't believe what Siho tells you about them.

Why not? Because I've summarized them well to the detriment of your position?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart...well stated and spot on too

Frankly, I didn't always feel that way. And don't think this means I approve of all that public buggering that takes place in San Fransisco! BTW, your kind words appeared over the icon of one of your smileys mooning me. Hilarious juxtaposition. LOL

Is it just the public buggering in San Francisco of which you disapprove or does your disapproval extend to public fellation and intercourse and anal sex at Mardi Gras and Springbreak festivals?