What a sad, truly sad statement about our homophobic way of thinking!

[ASPCA4EVER]

All too often that's all some people are.

As with most things involving human behavior, it's pretty complicated. I don't think anyone really knows why someone becomes gay, but does it really matter in the long run. They're out there and they run the gamut of perfectly respectable to complete trash.

I spent 22 years in the military and don't get a rat's sit upon about someone's orientation. All I care about is behavior--and that is regulated (in part) by article 134, UCMJ. From "A" for adultery to "S" for sodomy, it's in there. As I used to brief the young airmen and NCO's who worked for me, everyone has a right to a personal life, and it's their responsibility to keep it that way. If I know about something they did to violate the UCMJ (and I didn't dig), they didn't keep it private.

If they are willing to commit to their country and maintain good order and discipline, then I have no problem with gays in the military. They're no more screwed up than a lot of hetros I've known, some of whom I've had to boot out.[/quote]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart...well stated and spot on too

 

[Helicitor]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart...well stated and spot on too

Frankly, I didn't always feel that way. And don't think this means I approve of all that public buggering that takes place in San Fransisco! BTW, your kind words appeared over the icon of one of your smileys mooning me. Hilarious juxtaposition. LOL

 

[Revere]

How old are you? Go back and reread post #41...real slowly...see the stats that explain your irrational fear about cohesiveness...you're chasing after unicorns and worrying about bridges with little trolls...GOOD GRIEF

There is nothing in post #41 about military cohesiveness. Just a lot of bureaucratic babble.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

There is nothing in post #41 about military cohesiveness. Just a lot of bureaucratic babble.

When in an adult discussion, you prove that you are unable to read/comprehend and just do not get it...then the parties involved with your tutelage will grow tired and exasperated at the constant need to educate you in the fine art of reading the text and understanding the WORDS THAT ARE WRITTEN AND EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEAN
from my post #41 2nd paragraph>>>

That's not to mention potentially massive roadblocks if Congress doesn't like the results of Gates's study. The odds of the study concluding that gays in the military hurt unit cohesion are next to nil, because, well, no study ever has. Even the 1993 study the military commissioned from the RAND Corp. concluded that "the presence of known homosexuals on the force is not likely to undermine military performance." But that didn't prevent opponents of gays in the military from demagoguing the issue. If the new study reveals even a shred of doubt that gays serving openly could affect their ability to win in battle, Congress will flee. As Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., put it, the primary purpose of the military is "not to promote civil rights or individual justice, but to prevail in combat."

Oh, yes indeed, just a lot of "bureaucratic babble" LMAO

 

[Revere]

Who is demagoguing the issue? The people who say openly gay soldiers will not harm cohesiveness when there have never been any openly gay soldiers?

You want to use the armed forces for a social science experiment?

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart...well stated and spot on too

Frankly, I didn't always feel that way. And don't think this means I approve of all that public buggering that takes place in San Fransisco! BTW, your kind words appeared over the icon of one of your smileys mooning me. Hilarious juxtaposition. LOL

WOW, I wonder how that happened...one smiley was saluting you and the other one held a sign that stated: "it's a beautiful thing"...good grief...I didn't post one from the 'MOONIES'...so sorry!

I rarely care for any public display of grossly sexual content: heterosexual or other wise...there is always a proper place & time. And I've seen some serious sexual encounters between men and female prostitutes around some open public parks in broad daylight that just shocked the kids at out daytime picnic too!!!

 

[citizenzen]

They're no more screwed up than a lot of hetros I've known...

Right on.

Helicitor, you have my admiration for your broad and compassionate view.

 

[Sihouette]

You want to use the armed forces for a social science experiment? ~revere

Actually that is just a side-effect. What they're actually doing is trying to set a federal precident for "equality" for their "minority group" [which doesn't exist because it itself is exclusive of other fetishes]. Once this is established they will use it as a shoehorn for SCOTUS to make homosexual "marriage" legal throughout the states.

Yes some heteros are screwed up to be sure. But Grandma used to always tell us that two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Actually that is just a side-effect. What they're actually doing is trying to set a federal precident for "equality" for their "minority group" [which doesn't exist because it itself is exclusive of other fetishes]. Once this is established they will use it as a shoehorn for SCOTUS to make homosexual "marriage" legal throughout the states.

Yes some heteros are screwed up to be sure. But Grandma used to always tell us that two wrongs don't make a right.

Oh, you silly goose...still trying to fix the world according to your segregated/unfair/biased views.

And your/my grandmothers were also raised with the mantra of 'Just bite your tongue, don't argue with the master of his domain and if he hits you and knocks you around just keep quiet'
Get with the program Siho...we've evolved and growth and acceptance comes with maturity

 

[dogtowner]

Oh, you silly goose...still trying to fix the world according to your segregated/unfair/biased views.

And your/my grandmothers were also raised with the mantra of 'Just bite your tongue, don't argue with the master of his domain and if he hits you and knocks you around just keep quiet'
Get with the program Siho...we've evolved and growth and acceptance comes with maturity

I'd be happy if we could rewind the clock on PMS (or UMS as I prefer to call it "ugly mood swings"), much more pleasant before that "excuse" came along.

 

[citizenzen]

Yes some heteros are screwed up to be sure. But Grandma used to always tell us that two wrongs don't make a right.

I actually thought about that before praising Helicitor. But rather than point out that homos shouldn't be compared to "screwed up" heteros — as both orientations span the spectrum of screwed up-to-enlightened — I decided instead to support his view and not quibble about that point.

Two wrongs don't equal one right. But I don't see how homosexuality can be considered a wrong. Of course I understand that some people do see it as such, but I consider those people to be, at best, misguided.

 

[citizenzen]

I'd be happy if we could rewind the clock on PMS (or UMS as I prefer to call it "ugly mood swings"), much more pleasant before that "excuse" came along.

It's far more preferable than your average man who wallows in ugliness 24/7, 365 days a year.

What's their excuse?

 

[always]

Oh, you silly goose...still trying to fix the world according to your segregated/unfair/biased views.

And your/my grandmothers were also raised with the mantra of 'Just bite your tongue, don't argue with the master of his domain and if he hits you and knocks you around just keep quiet'
Get with the program Siho...we've evolved and growth and acceptance comes with maturity

Certainly TWO LEFTS do not make a RIGHT!! In fact certain TWO LEFTS cannot produce any body!! GOD in his WISDOM!!

 

[dogtowner]

It's far more preferable than your average man who wallows in ugliness 24/7, 365 days a year.

What's their excuse?

Not enough beer ?

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

It's far more preferable than your average man who wallows in ugliness 24/7, 365 days a year.

What's their excuse?

Well, if you believe as Siho does...then somebody somewhere was really-really MEAN to that poor boy and now he's allowed his fits of ill temperament/killer tendencies. Or as I believe...all excuses aside...they choose to be slime B.A.S.T.A.R.D.S. and enjoy the thrill of bullying people.

Just as good Christian enjoy lording their 'right over all others', especially the gay/lesbian and ergo the reason that they remain so silent about the DADT debacle!