US government shutdown

[Dileep p]

The shutdown is a blow from the back for the immigrants. The Everification is not going to happen. Those of us who have to renew the H-1B within days will have to undergo a tough time. Don't know if the Democrats and Republicans are aware about these things. An Immigration lawyer told The American Bazaar that the shutdown is not expected to last for morethan 6 days, but i doubt how many H-1B workers have to lose their jobs in those 6 days.

 

[Gipper]

As opposed to what? Self delegating myself into the minority and then wondering why I cant shape the debate or push my own principles? That sure seems like a winner.

People don't want Obamacare? Guess what, if the Tea Party was not so hell bent on purging the party, the Republicans would control the Senate, and Obamacare would not exist. Instead, they "do what is right" and it backfires in their face, and then they blame everyone but themselves.

If you want to shape how this country is governed, it helps to control the government.

Your assumption is the Rs will lose their majority in the House, by doing the right thing. I dispute your assumption, as doing the right thing is what our political leaders SHOULD do. Not play politics.

You believe doing the wrong thing allows you to gain the majority. That is nonsensical and it is causing many Americans to leave the R party altogether. See the past two POTUS elections as proof. They lost to Big Ears by nominating disgusting big government statists as their nominee, while ignoring the values of their voters.

I believe the exact opposite of what you do. If the Rs bend over and accept Obummercare without a fight, they will lose control in both houses. Your strategy of being a party that can be best described as Democrat Light, has failed miserably.

If the R party wants to continue to exist, they must follow conservative policies. They must also stop insulting Americans who are likely to vote for them. Otherwise, they should disappear.

 

[BigRob]

What are average Republicans? The same as average Democrats? But, it's not the average voters I was referring to.

I don't get why you are so determined to shrink the party.

A pipe dream? There is enough Republicans to defund Obamacare. Controlling the Senate is irrelevant. The problem is the Republican Party, who is a leftist party today, will not vote to defund it. There is not enough consevatives left in the Party to defund Obamacare.

Controlling the Senate is irrelevant? Do you seriously believe that if Republicans currently controlled the Senate this would be going exactly the same way?

Time???? Like the 2014 mid-term elections? I am sure you will see the truth there like in 2010. That is if the democratic voter fraud machine is held back by the new voter ID laws!

Its absurd to argue every time we lose an election its due to voter fraud. And historically (with 2 exceptions I believe) the President's party always loses seats in the mid term elections. Frankly, if R's even just break even in 2014, it is a let down.

 

[BigRob]

Your assumption is the Rs will lose their majority in the House, by doing the right thing. I dispute your assumption, as doing the right thing is what our political leaders SHOULD do. Not play politics.

I didn't say that R's will lose the House, I don't think they will. My assumption is that it will hurt the overall number of pick ups we could have had, hurt us in a few Senate races that are important, and carry over into 2016.

You believe doing the wrong thing allows you to gain the majority. That is nonsensical and it is causing many Americans to leave the R party altogether.

I don't even know what you are talking about. Seriously? "I believe doing the wrong thing will gain the majority." What are you talking about? I believe that we can win the majority if we stop being idiots and then we can govern based on a Republican ideology.

See the past two POTUS elections as proof. They lost to Big Ears by nominating disgusting big government statists as their nominee, while ignoring the values of their voters.

Who is it that you believe would have beat Obama and why? We can also look at the last two election cycles and see the Tea Party blow what should have been easy Senate pick ups and ultimately keep Harry Reid in power.

I believe the exact opposite of what you do. If the Rs bend over and accept Obummercare without a fight, they will lose control in both houses.

We've been fighting it for years, and we lost. That is a simple fact.

Your strategy of being a party that can be best described as Democrat Light, has failed miserably.

I get that you don't agree with Republicans in general on some things. Fine. But we are a big tent party, and its far better to get someone in office I agree with 80% of the time than someone I agree with 0% of the time.

If the R party wants to continue to exist, they must follow conservative policies. They must also stop insulting Americans who are likely to vote for them. Otherwise, they should disappear.

The R party is a big tent party, and generally conservative. If you want to purge the party on some absurd ideological litmus test that no one can pass you will forever be in the minority wondering why your ideas never gain any traction.

 

[steveox]

Be prepared! This is going to be the longest showdown in history. Republicans are going to fight and fight hard just like how we fought the Nazis long and hard.

 

[Texas_tea]

Be prepared! This is going to be the longest showdown in history. Republicans are going to fight and fight hard just like how we fought the Nazis long and hard.

How hard are these leftist fighting?

The 12 House Republicans Who Are Ready to Give Up Obamacare Fight in Order to End Government Shutdown

 

[steveox]

How hard are these leftist fighting?

The 12 House Republicans Who Are Ready to Give Up Obamacare Fight in Order to End Government Shutdown

They will answer in the primaries. Like Marco Rubio is going to be voted out by the Tea Party and they support Alan West

 

[Texas_tea]

They will answer in the primaries. Like Marco Rubio is going to be voted out by the Tea Party and they support Alan West

Then it is the TEA Parties who will fight for this and not the leftist Republicans?

 

[Texas_tea]

Help kids with cancer? Reid asks: 'Why would we want to do that?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is blaming Republicans for the National Institutes of Health turning away cancer patients. But when asked why the Senate wouldn't try to help "one child who has cancer" by approving a mini-spending bill, he shot back: "Why would we want to do that?"

The tense exchange occurred Wednesday, as Senate Democrats tried to lambaste Republicans ahead of a vote where the House will consider measures to fund the NIH and other agencies -- a bid to ease the pain amid the budget stand-off.

 

[steveox]

Theyre are better ways to improve the health care system. Like making drug companies compete. Like legalize getting prescriptions from Canada or from Mexico. If American drug companies don't like it then they gotta lower their prices. Just like medical devices made from USA theyre expensive.Now if we had an open world medical equipment we could buy it from Japan,Canada or from Mexico. That would make them lower their prices. You wanna know why it cost $85,000 for hip replacement surgery in America but cost 10,000 in Brazil? Wanna know where the money going towards? You guessed it.. DOCTORS! That's who gets the most of it. I favor doctors should pay for in private practice. Like create an Federal medical license and State Medical license. And state medical building permits. So the money will goes towards the poor who cant afford medical insurance. Make the doctors PAY! not patents!

 

[Cruella]

As a Non American I can not understand how the Republicans will gain by costing people jobs to prevent a National Medical Scheme been introduced that most other countries already have.

So you consider non essential government jobs as real jobs? Who do you think pays their salaries?

We were not a socialist country like Europe and others. That's why a majority of people do not want Obamacare. 85% of us were perfectly happy with what we had. It was shoved down our throats by the Democrats. They passed it with 51% vote, and many of those votes were by back room deals and arm twisting. It's also starting out a disaster and too expensive for the average person.

 

[Texas_tea]

So you consider non essential government jobs as real jobs? Who do you think pays their salaries?

We were not a socialist country like Europe and others. That's why a majority of people do not want Obamacare. 85% of us were perfectly happy with what we had. It was shoved down our throats by the Democrats. They passed it with 51% vote, and many of those votes were by back room deals and arm twisting. It's also starting out a disaster and too expensive for the average person.

Not all men and women too of course are free thinking men ....

It is certainly not uncommon to here this non-sense from someone from a socialist country.

 

[Gipper]

I didn't say that R's will lose the House, I don't think they will. My assumption is that it will hurt the overall number of pick ups we could have had, hurt us in a few Senate races that are important, and carry over into 2016.



I don't even know what you are talking about. Seriously? "I believe doing the wrong thing will gain the majority." What are you talking about? I believe that we can win the majority if we stop being idiots and then we can govern based on a Republican ideology.



Who is it that you believe would have beat Obama and why? We can also look at the last two election cycles and see the Tea Party blow what should have been easy Senate pick ups and ultimately keep Harry Reid in power.



We've been fighting it for years, and we lost. That is a simple fact.



I get that you don't agree with Republicans in general on some things. Fine. But we are a big tent party, and its far better to get someone in office I agree with 80% of the time than someone I agree with 0% of the time.



The R party is a big tent party, and generally conservative. If you want to purge the party on some absurd ideological litmus test that no one can pass you will forever be in the minority wondering why your ideas never gain any traction.

What is Republican ideology? Is it continuing growth of government? Is it continuing and expanding crony capitalism? Is it conceding to the Ds and their media whenever there is a big disagreement...because they do not want to upset voters who will never vote for Rs? Is it continuing foreign interventions and promoting American empire all over the world? Is it open borders and amnesty? Is it expansion of the police state?

I would say the R Party is those things ...that is the establishment wing of R party that the Bush, McCain, and Romney types stand for. Those same disgusting statists also condemn Rs like Paul, Cruz, Palin, and others...and the Tea Party, who stand for limited government and individual liberty, while saying and doing little to stop the Left's efforts to force America into a socialist welfare bankrupt police state.

Your policy of appeasement of the Left...of not fighting or condemning their actions and policies, has resulted in the Rs being the minority party and will continue to. They had a great opportunity in 2010 only to blow it in 2012 by turning away conservatives and libertarians in droves.

You say the party is a big tent party. Does that mean trying to convince minority voters that they will give them freebies just like the Ds will? A big tent party does not try to silence the TP and Rs who stand with the TP? The Rs are NOT a big tent party. Most if not all of their leadership are statists just like the Ds.

 

[PLC1]

This is going to backfire on Republicans.

It looked that way until the Democrats voted to keep the VA shut down. Now, it's likely to backfire on Congress in general.

How long the shutdown will last is pretty difficult to predict. On the one hand, the Congress seems unable to agree on what to have for lunch. On the other, when it affects them personally, they can act pretty quickly, as in air traffic controllers during the "sequester" being reinstated pretty quickly when the congresscritters were ready to go home.

 

[dogtowner]

If the sdministration keeps doing things like closing stores on military bades and leaving open BOs military golf courses people will get the idea who is being childish.