Understanding the Enemy

[jb_1430]

All war is DECEPTION.

The fact that bin laden, nasrallah and co. spout religious nonsense in justifying their political actions DOES NOT make it so....you might do well to consider the fact that all their intended goals are POLITICAL in nature - as if it wasn't a dead give-away from the beginning.

LOLOL!!! Oh I see, ignore what they say and go by what numinus thinks.LOL!!! And those POLITICAL goals are spelled out in their religious text. Feel free to post anything other than your own silly opinions to support your assertions.

 

[jb_1430]

Try to keep up without unduly hurting yourself.

Religion, as a right of thought, is INSEPARABLE from the human person. A religious person making a political statement will not make the statement any more religious, does it?

And make no mistake - the terrorists are making a POLITICAL STATEMENT with the intent of gaining a distinct POLITICAL END. If you insist on viewing this as a religious phenomenon (as these clowns are fervently hoping you would), then you have given away a clear and powerful initiative without firing a single shot.

That is why, with all the us' and her allies' vaunted military power, they are loosing.

Obviously you are completely ignorant as to Islam if you think religion and politics are somehow separate issues.

 

[jb_1430]

That is precisely why the us, with the wealth of experience from vietnam, is loosing.

Well, a boy can have his dreams.

 

[Coyote]

Well, a boy can have his dreams.

Numinous is making more sense then you are.

 

[jb_1430]

Numinous is making more sense then you are.

I think it probably just appears that way because you both have your heads buried in the same hole in the sand. "NOTHING RELIGIOUS ABOUT IT."??? Because Tzu wrote a book in 500 BC??? The arguement doesnt even make sense. And like I said, it doesnt really matter what we think because the terrorist believe it is all about religion. Ordinary Muslims arent becoming covert terrorist because of anything Tzu had to say. They dont yell TZU AKBAR!!! as the self detonate. Its Allah Akbar.

 

[bewitched]

Try to keep up without unduly hurting yourself.

Religion, as a right of thought, is INSEPARABLE from the human person. A religious person making a political statement will not make the statement any more religious, does it?

And make no mistake - the terrorists are making a POLITICAL STATEMENT with the intent of gaining a distinct POLITICAL END. If you insist on viewing this as a religious phenomenon (as these clowns are fervently hoping you would), then you have given away a clear and powerful initiative without firing a single shot.

That is why, with all the us' and her allies' vaunted military power, they are loosing.

you do understand that in Islam that political government and religion are one in the same, right?

 

[bewitched]

All war is DECEPTION.

The fact that bin laden, nasrallah and co. spout religious nonsense in justifying their political actions DOES NOT make it so. And they are counting on the morons of the west being duped by simple, goat-herder logic.

If you are still not satisfied, you might do well to consider the fact that all their intended goals are POLITICAL in nature - as if it wasn't a dead give-away from the beginning.

goat herder logic?
who are you talking about?
Bin Laden is a well educated scholar.
can you clarify?
and you understand that Islam includes government, religion and culture, right?

 

[Coyote]

goat herder logic?
who are you talking about?
Bin Laden is a well educated scholar.
can you clarify?
and you understand that Islam includes government, religion and culture, right?

That's debatable. Some sources suggest bin Laden earned a degree in civil engineering or a public administration. Other sources describe him as having left university during his third year, never completing a college degree.

 

[Coyote]

And like I said, it doesnt really matter what we think because the terrorist believe it is all about religion. Ordinary Muslims arent becoming covert terrorist because of anything Tzu had to say. They dont yell TZU AKBAR!!! as the self detonate. Its Allah Akbar.

Ordinary Muslims are not becoming terrorists because of their religion. Their religion is only their way of expressing it.


I'll reiterate the points of an article I quoted earlier:


http://worldnews.about.com/od/islamr..._terrorism.htm
What makes a Suicide Bomber


3) People become terrorists through social networks and emotional bonds, not because of religious devotion or indoctrination. Studies also show that Muslims join the global jihad primarily through interpersonal relationships, and not because of their prior beliefs or psychological makeup. Argo writes, "Emotion and social ties precede the acquisition of an ideology."

4) Most jihadis are immigrants. 84% of terrorists were second generation immigrants born in Western countries (Sageman). Turning to the jihad is a response of the alienation and discrimination they feel in their new countries. (All of the participants in the 2005 London bombing, for example were first and second generation immigrants.)

6) Religious belief may help sustain terrorists' commitment to the jihad, but it is not what causes them to join in the first place. This is Argo's interpretation of the scholars she surveys. In a word: "alienation and perceived grievance are necessary to galvanise a population; social networks remain the primary mechanism by which mobilisation occurs."

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Basically, the arguments you make are not to dissimilar from the older arguments the Catholics used to make against the Jews and the Jewish religion.

 

[jb_1430]

Ordinary Muslims are not becoming terrorists because of their religion. Their religion is only their way of expressing it.

I'll reiterate the points of an article I quoted earlier:

http://worldnews.about.com/od/islamr..._terrorism.htm
What makes a Suicide Bomber

And, while secular organisations perpetrated approximately half of the human bombs up to 2001, Hoffman says, 31 out of 35 groups perpetrating terror today are jihadi. It is difficult to deny that religious inspiration is at work in the motivation and mobilisation of terror today.

Unless of course one was in a state of denial.

 

[jb_1430]

Basically, the arguments you make are not to dissimilar from the older arguments the Catholics used to make against the Jews and the Jewish religion.

Biggest bunch of bull crap Ive heard in a while. Feel free to post one of these "older arguements" to show that your not just makin this shiite up as you go along.

 

[numinus]

??? Ive not said anything about "rituals". Their written doctrinis is the basis of a military strategy.

I have never heard of the koran as having any practical value in military science. You obviously don't know what you're babbling about.

Well one author was a general and military strategist, the other is considered a prophet of God, and his book is considered a divine message from God. It defines the non muslims as the enemy and calls upon the muslims to "slay them where you find them". And thebiggest difference is that the Muslims are reading the Koran and Haddiths. They are not reading Tzu. "Academic"?? Youve brought nothing other than your own personal views to the discussion.

"Slay them where you find them" is a maxim in military science????? What idiotic nonsense!

I pray to god the us military is a lot smarter than you are.

 

[numinus]

What you or I think is irrelevant. Those who carry out terrorist attacks make their motivations well known. And it has everything to do with religion. This topic is called "undersanding the enemy". Not, 'helping cover for the enemy'

Everyone is well aware of the topic - except perhaps you.

And I have no intentions of 'covering for the enemy'. I tell it as it is - a political agenda twisted in religious terms for the benefit of the ignorant muslim arab who knows no better.

Understand?

 

[numinus]

LOLOL!!! Oh I see, ignore what they say and go by what numinus thinks.LOL!!! And those POLITICAL goals are spelled out in their religious text. Feel free to post anything other than your own silly opinions to support your assertions.

Correct.

I'd rather ignore the religious rhetoric meant to cover the political agenda.

Oh, and for the benefit of the low-brows in the forum, religious texts were never meant to be read like a grocery list. That's what hermeneutics is for. So you would do well to interpret them in the privacy of your own solitude because, quite frankly, you are an intellectual embarassment.

 

[numinus]

Obviously you are completely ignorant as to Islam if you think religion and politics are somehow separate issues.

Yes they are - although it is in the best interest of the terrorists for you to think otherwise.

I am amazed at how any rational person living in the 21st century could be thoroughly duped by goat-herder logic.