Thoughts on the Death Penalty

[pjmret]

I support the death pensility for certain crimes depended on the brutality.

So vengeance not justice
Not surprising from a hateful person
And of course you support innocent people receiving the death penalty

 

[Randomguy]

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I support the death pensility for certain crimes depended on the brutality.

I do not support death penalty or for that matter any form of punishment. I do not believe in punishment. I believe in deterrence. Deterring the person from committing crimes again and deterring others from future crimes should be the goal.

In evaluating the death penalty we should always determine its marginal advantage wrt to life in prison. Some say life in prison is more expensive than death penalty. now am not sure if that is the case. But if it is, do we want to be a society that takes life because it is cheaper? What next, kill the handicap and the invalids? I am also not for life sentences necessarily. If a person has spent say 10 years (deterrence achieved) and no longer a danger to others, I say let them go, perhaps with some restrictions.

 

[Randomguy]

So vengeance not justice
Not surprising from a hateful person
And of course you support innocent people receiving the death penalty

Exactly. I kinda respect, but not agree with, people who are honest and say they want vengeance. I think it is a shameful want but at least it is honest.

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

Lately there has been some controversy over whether we should use the death penalty less or even not at all. Some view it as inhumane as it ceases the life of a fellow human being. Others say while they do not wish to kill, sometimes it is necessary, as the one sentenced is just too dangerous to be kept alive. Both have good points, but which should we imply? And which is more humane in the long run, to sentence one to death and end their life in a matter of seconds, or sentence them to life imprisonment where they rot in a cell over how many years. Shouldn’t ending their life quickly actually be more humane then? Then again, isn’t it better to live in misery than not to live at all?

First I will talk about life imprisonment. This is often thought of this most decent way to keep a dangerous person out of society, as they remain alive yet unable to commit crime while in jail. But what can they “live?” When we think of “alive” we commonly associate it with living and having life. But when it comes to humans simply having life doesn’t mean we are “alive.” When we are creative, hold love, want, sadness, and joy, THEN we are truly alive. A felon in jail can’t exactly do all of these things as he is restrained from the world except for his fellow prisoners and the news. They can’t be as creative, and loving as the rest of the world because they weren’t loving (not always the case though) to begin with (thus leading to jail) and being locked up doesn’t help that. So when we order life imprisonment do we truly keep them “alive?” Of course death sentence doesn’t do anything different and it kills them almost totally (only spirit remains if you believe such things). So we should take life imprisonment as it is, not as it is propagandized-the most decent thing we can do. We can do many other decent things instead of life imprisonment to the criminals, but those wouldn’t solve the problem of the felony. There is a not so popular argument by some supporters of the death penalty that says if we are going to kill the convicts over time why not do it now as it saves time, money, and resources. Sadly, what it DOESN’T save is lives, however small and unworthy they are. Another argument is that because of the increasing US population in prisons, the death penalty reduces this. This is not so correct. Those sentenced to death make up a very small portion of the US criminals, so it wouldn’t reduce the population in jail very much.

Now for the death penalty portion. It is said that this spares a felon of years of suffering and rotting in a cell. Again, shouldn’t it be better to live locked up than to not live period? Execution axes the possibility that a criminal escape should he continue to do crime. It also ends the possibility that the “criminal” will be set free due to later evidence that he/she is actually innocent. This is unlikely but it can happen if the person is lucky enough! Killing a criminal also kills a resource. If a later crime appears and the executed person is a witness or he knew information, etc, we can’t use him because he is, well, dead.

Both forms are execution I think, one just ends it faster than the other does. Its up to America to decide now.

There is no impending vote in this entire country on the death penalty now.

 

[Phoenix68]

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So vengeance not justice

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It's that typical, sadistic Trump / MAGATS thing.
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"What is known for sure about Caligula, Holland said, is that he had a great love of spectacle and dressing up; and he enjoyed hurting and humiliating people."

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[Phoenix68]

I do not support death penalty or for that matter any form of punishment. I do not believe in punishment. I believe in deterrence. Deterring the person from committing crimes again and deterring others from future crimes should be the goal.

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You're SERIOUSLY ready to take-on the whole family-values agenda??
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Child Abuse; The Essential Reason For Murder
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[Randomguy]

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You're SERIOUSLY ready to take-on the whole family-values agenda??
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Child Abuse; The Essential Reason For Murder
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I have no idea how your response is related to my post. If you explain the relationshipship, I shall attempt to respond.

 

[Phoenix68]

I have no idea how your response is related to my post. If you explain the relationshipship, I shall attempt to respond.

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Deterring the person from committing crimes again and deterring others from future crimes should be the goal.

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I still don’t see the relationship but I think I can make some points.

- I was talking about the government. You interjected parents. your argument/analogy fails. Also the process of government punishing people is based on law with trials and examining evidence and witnesses. No such thing in a parent-child relationship.

- Children should not be “abused” whether by parents or by the government.

Now if you make a direct comment about my original post, I shall be happy to respond.

 

[Phoenix68]

I still don’t see the relationship but I think I can make some points.

- I was talking about the government. You interjected parents. your argument/analogy fails.

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My point is....ABUSIVE PARENTS CREATE MURDERERS!!!! WHEN DO THOSE PARENTS START PAYING THE PRICE????
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Good for you for your point. That was not my point and your point is not related to my point. If you respond to the points that I made I will respond. Else, have a nice day!

 

[Phoenix68]

Look, I'm a liberal, but I don't understand this aversion to the death penalty. If somebody is proven guilty of murder, not just by a jury but by DNA evidence and they have a history of doing other people harm, then they don't deserve to live. Seems simple to me.

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Yeah, we simply need to exterminate mentally-ill people, 'cause any-other option requires too-much effort.
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[mark francis]

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Yeah, we simply need to exterminate mentally-ill people, 'cause any-other option requires too-much effort.
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Sounds like Hitlerites and other Jew-hating tribal barbarian savages.

 

[Phoenix68]

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My point is....ABUSIVE PARENTS CREATE MURDERERS!!!! WHEN DO THOSE PARENTS START PAYING THE PRICE????
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[the annoying thing]

So vengeance not justice
Not surprising from a hateful person
And of course you support innocent people receiving the death penalty

No dumb ass I support the death pensility for certain cases such as serial killers like Gacy and Dammer and others like they. Terriost and people who commit treason, any mass killers or political assassins . Vengeance you fool is when I do something to another person because they did something to me,
I don't seek vengeance for their crimes only justice and what's best for the public and nation. I am more concerned about their victims and their family's , unlike you who is interested in the felons more then the victims rights.
YOU See dumb ass yep I belive in the death penalty but as I said in certain cases , YOUR so desperate to attack me its pathic .