The Sad Drug War Is Necessary

[The Scotsman]

.....And, the source for this quote, is what???

..........www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/contents.htm

.....Wouldn't it make more sense deferring-to QUALIFIED-individuals????

..........qualified for what?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

..........www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/contents.htm

Try to convince me you were able to breach the security, for this site. ​

..........qualified for what?

Stating what the real-issues are (regarding the War On Drugs); actual cops, rather than the DOJ.​

 

[The Scotsman]

Try to convince me you were able to breach the security, for this site.

what are you talking about?

If you're interested this is the first couple of lines of the site I'll leave the rest to you to figure out...


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Drugs and Crime Facts
Drug use and crime
At the time of the offense | Prior drug use by offenders



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At the time of the offense
Drug-related crime
Offenders under the influence at the time of the offense
Drug-related crime
In 2004, 17% of state prisoners and 18% of federal inmates said they committed their current offense to obtain money for drugs. These percentages represent a slight increase for federal prisoners (16% in 1997) and a slight decrease for state prisoners (19% in 1997).

Source: BJS, Drug Use and Dependence, State and Federal Prisoners, 2004, NCJ 213530, October 2006 and Substance Abuse and Treatment, State and Federal Prisoners, 1997, NCJ 172871, January 1999.


In 2002 about a quarter of convicted property and drug offenders in local jails had committed their crimes to get money for drugs, compared to 5% of violent and public order offenders. Among state prisoners in 2004 the pattern was similar, with property (30%) and drug offenders (26%) more likely to commit their crimes for drug money than violent (10%) and public-order offenders (7%). In federal prisons property offenders (11%) were less than half as likely as drug offenders (25%) to report drug money as a motive in their offenses.

 

[The Scotsman]

Hey Shaman.....any luck getting into the site?

Anyway a bit more for you............ just in case ya think I'm making it up


The Uniform Crime Reporting Program (UCR) of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reported that in 2006, 5.3% of the 14,990 homicides in which circumstances were known were narcotics related. Murders that occurred specifically during a narcotics felony, such as drug trafficking or manufacturing, are considered drug related.

Drug-related homicides

Year / Number of homicides / Percent drug related

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1987 17,963 4.9%
1988 17,971 5.6%
1989 18,954 7.4%
1990 20,273 6.7%
1991 21,676 6.2%
1992 22,716 5.7%
1993 23,180 5.5%
1994 22,084 5.6%
1995 20,232 5.1%
1996 16,967 5.0%
1997 15,837 5.1%
1998 14,276 4.8%
1999 13,011 4.5%
2000 13,230 4.5%
2001 14,061 4.1%
2002 14,263 4.7%
2003 14,465 4.7%
2004 14,210 3.9%
2005 14,965 4.0%
2006 14,990 5.3%

Note: The percentages are based on data from the Supplementary Homicide Reports (SHR) while the totals are from the Uniform Crime Reports (UCR). Not all homicides in the UCR result in reports in the SHR.
Source: Table constructed by ONDCP Drug Policy Information Clearinghouse staff from FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, Crime in the United States, annually.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Hey Shaman.....any luck getting into the site?

Anyway a bit more for you............ just in case ya think I'm making it up


The Uniform Crime Reporting Program (UCR) of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reported that in 2006, 5.3% of the 14,990 homicides in which circumstances were known were narcotics related. Murders that occurred specifically during a narcotics felony, such as drug trafficking or manufacturing, are considered drug related.

Drug/narcotics-related is hardly a term that verifies someone was under-the-influence, but is more-often-than-not a description of a scenerio where sales was the primary-factor.​

 

[The Scotsman]

So you managed to hack your way in then huh........

 

[MichaelB]

Did any of you ever think that maybe a lot of $ is being made and not by the seller or users. Do you know how much $ would be lost in our economy (yes the good old USA) if we didn't have a permanent war on drugs? God forbid that we lost all the capitol. Don't worry, drugs won't be legalized. Just a thought!!!!!

 

[Popeye]

Did any of you ever think that maybe a lot of $ is being made and not by the seller or users. Do you know how much $ would be lost in our economy (yes the good old USA) if we didn't have a permanent war on drugs? God forbid that we lost all the capitol. Don't worry, drugs won't be legalized. Just a thought!!!!!

What's happening is everybody is on the drug war gravy train..cops, judges, prison guards, drug counselors.....the list goes on and on, all self serving, all pigs. Logic never prevails when one's livelihood is at stake, right Chip?

 

[PLC1]

As a philosophical utilitarian, I think it is time to end the War on Drugs by legalization, therby cutting the profits to the drug growers and dealers, and at the same time empting out our prisons to make space for hard core felons, not petty addicts.

But just think of all of the people who would be out of work: Cops, prison guards, drug dealers, mules, imagine what such a move would do to our unemployment problem.

Not to mention all of the addicts who would be let out of prison and try to enter the job market. No, no, better to keep more prisoners per capita than any other nation on Earth. It is far better to have gangs in the US killing each other for a piece of the pie, and bigger gangs shooting it out on the border. Sure it is.

And, just look at what a disaster repealing prohibition was. All of the gangsters were immediately out of work, owners of speakeasies were unemployed, why, the repeal of prohibition just might have brought on the great depression!

And, should anyone take the above at face value, their sarcasm detection card will immediately be taken from them, and they will have to undergo reeducation.

 

[Andy]

But just think of all of the people who would be out of work: Cops, prison guards, drug dealers, mules, imagine what such a move would do to our unemployment problem.

Not to mention all of the addicts who would be let out of prison and try to enter the job market. No, no, better to keep more prisoners per capita than any other nation on Earth. It is far better to have gangs in the US killing each other for a piece of the pie, and bigger gangs shooting it out on the border. Sure it is.

And, just look at what a disaster repealing prohibition was. All of the gangsters were immediately out of work, owners of speakeasies were unemployed, why, the repeal of prohibition just might have brought on the great depression!

Let's look at the facts, instead of sarcasm.

You say "look at what a disaster repealing prohibition was" and go on to list a few, very few, gangsters were immediately out of work. First, off, that's false. In case you missed it, the mafia is alive and well, even after repealing prohibition. The Mafia existed before prohibition, and they do to this day.

Let's move on to the facts about alcohol.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/ac.htm

One-third of all fatal auto accidents in the US, involve an intoxicated driver.

In 1996 alone, there were over 17,100 auto fatalities related to intoxication.

Over 1.46 Million DUI arrests are made every year.

Of the 5.6 Million convicted offenders in the justice system at all levels, 2 Million of them, about 36%, were drinking at the time of their offense.

One-third of all assults are by people known to have been drinking at the time. Another third of all assaults, are by people the victim believed had been drinking, but the fact could not be established.

Three out of four assaults by spouses, or girl friends and boy friends, claim the attacker had been drinking before hand.

183,000 rapes and sexual assault yearly, are committed by people under the influences of alcohol.

661,000 aggravated assaults, and nearly 1.7 million simple
assaults, yearly, are committed by people under the influence of alcohol.

197,000 robberies yearly, are committed by people under the influence of alcohol.

The government estimates that roughly $408 Billion dollars in medical expenses, property damage/loss/replaced, lost money, lost income from injuries and other causes, are due to alcohol related crimes yearly.

A wide varity of alcohol related illnesses have grown in America, like Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, which devastates roughly 5 thousand children a year.

All this doesn't include the cost of broken families and marriages, as well as devastated children, due to alcoholism.
http://www.alcoholcostcalculator.org/

Entire industries exist around dealing with the problems of alcohol. From AA, to rehab, to Family intervention, to counseling for children who grew up with parents that drank.

So, go ahead, be sarcastic. But to those devastated by the social effects of alcohol, you won't find many snickering on your side.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Let's look at the facts, instead of sarcasm.

You say "look at what a disaster repealing prohibition was" and go on to list a few, very few, gangsters were immediately out of work. First, off, that's false. In case you missed it, the mafia is alive and well, even after repealing prohibition. The Mafia existed before prohibition, and they do to this day.

Yeah.....they've still got quite the Alcohol Empire, huh?

"The advent of the Great Depression (1929-1939) caused a huge change in American opinion about Prohibition. Economic issues crippled the country, and it just didn't make sense to those suffering that the country couldn't profit from the legal taxation of alcohol. After all, the gangsters and bootleggers certainly seemed to benefit."

 

[Chip]

Let's look at the facts ... ...
So, go ahead, be sarcastic. But to those devastated by the social effects of alcohol, you won't find many snickering on your side.

Great presentation, Andy.

The sad reality of alcohol addiction is a sobering reminder of the rampant increase in devastation that awaits us all should street pot ever be legalized.

Indeed, the argument pot addicts use, citing the legality of alcohol in defense of legalizing pot, isn't at all a valid argument for legalizing pot ...

... But is in truth one of the best arguments for making alcohol illegal again.

 

[Popeye]

Great presentation, Andy.

The sad reality of alcohol addiction is a sobering reminder of the rampant increase in devastation that awaits us all should street pot ever be legalized.

Indeed, the argument pot addicts use, citing the legality of alcohol in defense of legalizing pot, isn't at all a valid argument for legalizing pot ...

... But is in truth one of the best arguments for making alcohol illegal again.

Oh, the truth comes out....now you want to make alcohol illegal too. What else do you want to ban Chip? My suggestion that you would be much happier in a fascist country still holds.

 

[Chip]

As usual, whenever a thread is presented on the great value of continuing to defend againt the deadly devastation of the invasion of druggies, their deadly drugs, and the war they cause ...

... Out will come all the illegally using pot-heads posting in defense of their deadly drug and at the usual expense of the truth of marijuana addiction.

But a simple scan of the internet will present a multitude of valid and legitimate links to scientifically accurate state-of-the-art information that clearly presents the addictive properties of THC, the primary active ingredient in pot.

And although the druggies will counter with links to their of-by-and-for-the-druggies apologetic pro-druggie sites that employ the typical addict's truth-denial as their mechanism for avoiding the truth of the addictive nature of pot, such sites, are, of course, meaningless with respect to the truth of the matter.

Though there are so many scientific state-of-the-art links that present the addictive nature of pot that listing them all would be impractical and counterproductive to the flow of discussion, here is a sampling of the truth in the matter that is available by a simple Google search:

A recent scientific study in Spain reveals "a specific involvement of A2A receptors in the addictive related-properties of cannabinoids" -- yes, boys and girls, pot is addictive, but, of course, we all intuitively knew that already, didn't we. It just turned out that the more complex aspects of brain neurochemistry were just a little more difficult to isolate than the more simple, basic link between, for example, nicotene and acetylcholine neurotransmitters, but, as we all intuitively knew, they were there somewhere ... and now, we've found them: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15450100

And here is a corroborating scientific report that presents solid evidence that, not only is pot addictive, but that it alters the brain in a way that causes increased susceptibility to addiction of other drugs as well! Yes, the "gateway" drug label addictive pot has garnered has long been known to be true, and now here is the scientific state-of-the-art evidence of the truth of it published in that respected scientific journal, "Nature": http://www.nature.com/bjp/journal/v143/n2/full/0705931a.html

Because of the devastating addictive nature of pot, many treatment facilities have sprung up to help people break that addiction, facilities that simply wouldn't exist if pot wasn't so devastatingly addictive. And though pot addicts lament that these facilities are merely "big business exploiting a malady of their own contrivance", the truth of the matter is that this is not big business, and those helping pot addicts charge money because they, like the rest of us full-time workers, need to eat, and, consumers simply wouldn't pay money for a product they simply don't need and want. Indeed, people pay the monetary price for treatment for marijuana addiction, because they need it, and, because the lucky ones eventually come to want it.

Here is a link to a site that presents the addictive nature of pot and the devastating damage pot abuse does to one's body. Thank God, many recovering pot addicts say, for facilities that helped them recovery from pot addiction: http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/index.htm.

And here is another site that presents the reality of the addictive nature of pot with references to the aforementioned THC studies that substantiate that reality: http://www.addiction2.com/marijuana/marijuana-addiction.html.

Yes, we've long known that pot is addictive, and state-of-the-art science is confirming that fact just like we long knew a person began to live at the moment of conception and state-of-the-art science cofirmed that truth too over 30 years ago.

But do druggies and other utilitarian users accept state-of-the-art science as presenters of the realities we've long known?

No, they don't.

They prefer to instead reference pro-druggie sites still steeped in flat-earther outdated ignorance long proven fallacious ...

... While they simply cry in response to convicting truthful state-of-the-art scientific evidence that pot is addictive and that they are addicts with that pitiful childish oppositional defiant disordered demand: "Gimme my drug!".

Meanwhile, not only do these pot addicts ignore the physiological damage pot does to them as presented by the previous two sites I listed, these pot addicts continue to kill and injure hundreds of thousands of other people annually because they get behind the wheel and crash their cars while on pot.

Yes, without question pot needs to remain illegal ...

... And the drug war sadly needs to continue to stop the deadly invasion of addictive drugs, such as pot, the death-causing druggies who use these drugs, and hopefully someday win the war that the druggies cause.

 

[Popeye]

As usual, whenever a thread is presented on the great value of continuing to defend againt the deadly devastation of the invasion of druggies, their deadly drugs, and the war they cause ...

... Out will come all the illegally using pot-heads posting in defense of their deadly drug and at the usual expense of the truth of marijuana addiction.

But a simple scan of the internet will present a multitude of valid and legitimate links to scientifically accurate state-of-the-art information that clearly presents the addictive properties of THC, the primary active ingredient in pot.

And although the druggies will counter with links to their of-by-and-for-the-druggies apologetic pro-druggie sites that employ the typical addict's truth-denial as their mechanism for avoiding the truth of the addictive nature of pot, such sites, are, of course, meaningless with respect to the truth of the matter.

Though there are so many scientific state-of-the-art links that present the addictive nature of pot that listing them all would be impractical and counterproductive to the flow of discussion, here is a sampling of the truth in the matter that is available by a simple Google search:

A recent scientific study in Spain reveals "a specific involvement of A2A receptors in the addictive related-properties of cannabinoids" -- yes, boys and girls, pot is addictive, but, of course, we all intuitively knew that already, didn't we. It just turned out that the more complex aspects of brain neurochemistry were just a little more difficult to isolate than the more simple, basic link between, for example, nicotene and acetylcholine neurotransmitters, but, as we all intuitively knew, they were there somewhere ... and now, we've found them: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15450100

And here is a corroborating scientific report that presents solid evidence that, not only is pot addictive, but that it alters the brain in a way that causes increased susceptibility to addiction of other drugs as well! Yes, the "gateway" drug label addictive pot has garnered has long been known to be true, and now here is the scientific state-of-the-art evidence of the truth of it published in that respected scientific journal, "Nature": http://www.nature.com/bjp/journal/v143/n2/full/0705931a.html

Because of the devastating addictive nature of pot, many treatment facilities have sprung up to help people break that addiction, facilities that simply wouldn't exist if pot wasn't so devastatingly addictive. And though pot addicts lament that these facilities are merely "big business exploiting a malady of their own contrivance", the truth of the matter is that this is not big business, and those helping pot addicts charge money because they, like the rest of us full-time workers, need to eat, and, consumers simply wouldn't pay money for a product they simply don't need and want. Indeed, people pay the monetary price for treatment for marijuana addiction, because they need it, and, because the lucky ones eventually come to want it.

Here is a link to a site that presents the addictive nature of pot and the devastating damage pot abuse does to one's body. Thank God, many recovering pot addicts say, for facilities that helped them recovery from pot addiction: http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/index.htm.

And here is another site that presents the reality of the addictive nature of pot with references to the aforementioned THC studies that substantiate that reality: http://www.addiction2.com/marijuana/marijuana-addiction.html.

Yes, we've long known that pot is addictive, and state-of-the-art science is confirming that fact just like we long knew a person began to live at the moment of conception and state-of-the-art science cofirmed that truth too over 30 years ago.

But do druggies and other utilitarian users accept state-of-the-art science as presenters of the realities we've long known?

No, they don't.

They prefer to instead reference pro-druggie sites still steeped in flat-earther outdated ignorance long proven fallacious ...

... While they simply cry in response to convicting truthful state-of-the-art scientific evidence that pot is addictive and that they are addicts with that pitiful childish oppositional defiant disordered demand: "Gimme my drug!".

Meanwhile, not only do these pot addicts ignore the physiological damage pot does to them as presented by the previous two sites I listed, these pot addicts continue to kill and injure hundreds of thousands of other people annually because they get behind the wheel and crash their cars while on pot.

Yes, without question pot needs to remain illegal ...

... And the drug war sadly needs to continue to stop the deadly invasion of addictive drugs, such as pot, the death-causing druggies who use these drugs, and hopefully someday win the war that the druggies cause.

None of your links back up your ridiculous self serving claim that pot is physically addictive. In fact, this particular one goes out of it's way to avoid making such a connection:

"Marijuana is both emotionally and mentally addictive."

http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/index.htm

Anything can be "emotionally and mentally addictive"... notice, the word "physically" is missing?...I wonder why.

Millions of people smoke pot regularly, it is the #1 cash crop in America.....it makes much more sense to legalize it and tax it than to continue to listen to neanderthals, with their reefer madness type thinking.