The Greater Israel Map ; Zoom!

[USMC the Almighty]

What about if their attack in the first place was justified?

I don't think it really matters whether the initial attack is justifiable or not. When you start a war and lose, you must deal with the consequences. In this case, it's the loss of land.

 

[Reliant]

What about if their attack in the first place was justified?

An Arab attack is never justified. They should just sit back while Israel takes their land, kills their children, and bulldozed their homes. Or at least that's what some believe. I wonder if the US Military would just sit on their collective asses if someone started to do the same to us. Well, if its Israel we would.... remember the USS Liberty? Israel killed 34 American sailors and we did nothing.
When we spoke out against South African apartheid it put an end to this uncivilized behavior, when Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall", we all cheered and down came a partition that divided a nation. But when it comes to Israel we accept apartheid and help build a wall. It isn't difficult to see that its AIPAC, not the American taxpayer, who sets American Policy when it come to Israel.

 

[Untouchable]

A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. I am certain that we can not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country and the region.

David Ben Gurion-1937

"The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates. It includes parts of Syria and Lebanon
Rabbi Fischmann,member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry, 1947

 

[Lasher]

OK; I will do

Untouchable: I, personally, think you're doing the world a service by exposing the machinations of the Zionist New World Order gang. Thank you.

 

[Lasher]

A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. I am certain that we can not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country and the region.

David Ben Gurion-1937

"The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates. It includes parts of Syria and Lebanon
Rabbi Fischmann,member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry, 1947

The present Foreign Minister of Israel, Tzipi Livni, whose father was a Zionist terrorist who was a leader in the Irgun Gang and took part in the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, had a map of "Greater Israel" carved on her father's gravestone that looks exactly like the one shown in this thread "from the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf." Why are people so naive?

 

[Lasher]

Here's how it works:

(1) Israel has land.
(2) Arabs want Israel's land.
(3) Arabs attack Israel for said land.
(4) Israel defeats invading Arabs.
(5) In the process of war, Israel takes a more land.
(6) Arabs jump and scream about Israel taking more land.
(7) HERE'S THE CONCESSION: Israel says it will give land back if Arabs promise not to attack any more.
(8) Arabs say they won't attack any more.
(9) Roughly three years later, Arbas invade Israel again.

Repeat for 59 years and you have the essence of the Israeli-Arab conflict.



I don't understand how this is relevant.

You don't??

 

[USMC the Almighty]

You don't??

Nope, care to use your superior intellect to explain it to me.

 

[Bunz]

The present Foreign Minister of Israel, Tzipi Livni, whose father was a Zionist terrorist who was a leader in the Irgun Gang and took part in the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, had a map of "Greater Israel" carved on her father's gravestone that looks exactly like the one shown in this thread "from the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf." Why are people so naive?

People are not naive, they generally see through your arguments. You failed to adress the steps that USMC provided which I find his list quite accurate. What happens is that Israel's neighbors cant seem not to attack her.

As for things engraved on a head stone or anywhere, we need not pay it to much heed. Keep in mind what the Statue of Liberty says and how our current policies reflect that.

 

[numinus]

To the poster making misrepresentations of history - this may help to dissolve the invincible ignorance in that sorry excuse you call your brain. It is from the 1948 declaration of the establishment of the state of israel.

"...

THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.

WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the BASIS OF FULL AND EQUAL CITIZENSHIP AND DUE REPRESENTATION IN ALL ITS PROVISIONAL AND PERMANENT INSTITUTIONS.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

etc. etc."


(my caps and underscore)

 

[Lasher]

Zionists stole someone else's land.

 

[Bunz]

Zionists stole someone else's land.

This is laughable, but Ill play along once again. Stole who's land?
Who stole the land from the Zionists?
Throughout history stealing land has been crafted into an art that just about every civilization and geographic location has seen. Lets not focus on the bad deeds of one country when all the rest of them do the same thing.

People in glass houses.....

 

[numinus]

Zionists stole someone else's land.

Correction - the zionists BOUGHT the land that became the proto-typical kibbutz. The absentee palestinian landlords (most of them residing luxuriously in damascus), were MORE THAN WILLING TO DIVEST THEMSELVES OF OWNERSHIP of a tired and unproductive land.

And when the combined armies of the arab league were threatening a blood bath (1948 arab-israeli war) in the palestinian mandate, the land that the palestinians left (at the insistence of their arab brethren) became the line of defense for these sporadic settlements.

So, how can anyone pretend theft in this instance, when the land was PAID for, first, by HARD CURRENCY, and subsequently, by BLOOD, eh?

And if you are even aware of the torrens system of title, then the standards of ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP are FULLFILLED in this particular case.

As I said, kindly reserve your rhetoric for the *****'s who do not know any better - the same morons populating the ranks of hamas and hezbollah.

 

[Lasher]

Nope, care to use your superior intellect to explain it to me.

Nope.

 

[Lasher]

People are not naive, they generally see through your arguments. You failed to adress the steps that USMC provided which I find his list quite accurate. What happens is that Israel's neighbors cant seem not to attack her.

As for things engraved on a head stone or anywhere, we need not pay it to much heed. Keep in mind what the Statue of Liberty says and how our current policies reflect that.

Wow, what a bed-wetting, bleeding-heart liberal!!

 

[Lasher]

This is laughable, but Ill play along once again. Stole who's land?
Who stole the land from the Zionists?
Throughout history stealing land has been crafted into an art that just about every civilization and geographic location has seen. Lets not focus on the bad deeds of one country when all the rest of them do the same thing.

People in glass houses.....

The Zionist Jews stole the land of the Palestinians, Chucklehead.

Israel and the Zionists are the ones in the news today, so let's focus on them.

People in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones.