The Bush-"Legacy"

[Andy]

Of course it does, "no regulation" is the Conservative cry (except for gay marriage, of course). Machine guns, tanks, missles, and even atomic bombs are guaranteed to every citizen AND WE NEED THEM to protect ourselves from the onslaught of gay marriages!!!

Because it's an oxymoron. Marriage is between a man and a women. Gay marriage... isn't marriage.

There is no need of a reason to "need" to bear arms. It's a right. Our constitutional rights, are not rights because we need them. No one "needs" that right to peaceably assemble either. Doesn't mean you shouldn't have to right to it because you don't "need" it.

Andy is a preacher, PLC, his info comes straight from God.

That's partially true. Thanks.

 

[PLC1]

Science: systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

Observations and experimentation that result in a conclusion of an intelligent design are just as scientific as one that reaches a conclusion of random chance. Both are simply hypothesis of a cause to the complex world we live in.

Of one is not scientific, the other is not either. If one is scientific, the other is as well. There is not one single shred of demonstrable, repeatable measurable evidence of Macro-evolution.

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Colin Patterson, Ph.D. Paleontologist, and former Evolutionist.



No, it is not required that you believe in creationism to be conservative. It is pretty ignorant of basic science if one does, but to be willfully ignorant is a right. I'd prefer to have more educated people calling themselves conservative, but no it's not required.

I don't know of other specific issues off hand. I'm sure they'll pop up.

OK, I'm getting a handle on what is required to be a conservative, now.

limited government: Check.
Anti gay marriage: check
Pro life: Check

Creationism: optional. That's good, since your above argument is full of hooey, as I'll explain in a minute.

Global warming is OK, so long as it isn't the anthropogenic kind. Check.

Evolution: You can believe in a hundred years of scientific research and still be a conservative. Check.

Right to bear arms: I'm still working on just where the line is drawn there.

Oh, yes: Re your assertion that creationism and evolution are either both scientific theories, or neither is. Creationism is not in the realm of science one way or the other, as it is a philosophical stance and can not be proven one way or the other. Belief in creationism relies on starting with a conclusion, then finding facts to back it up. Science does not work that way. Evolution, on the other hand, starts with observation and facts, and builds a conclusion on that. It is the exact opposite, as I've said before.

Further, as I've said before, I believe in creationism. I can't say as I believe in evolution, as that would imply that it is also a philosophical or religious idea. Evolution has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so, until new evidence to the contrary is found, I'll continue to buy into the idea of evolution. It is not, however, a belief.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Because it's an oxymoron. Marriage is between a man and a women. Gay marriage... isn't marriage.

There is no need of a reason to "need" to bear arms. It's a right. Our constitutional rights, are not rights because we need them. No one "needs" that right to peaceably assemble either. Doesn't mean you shouldn't have to right to it because you don't "need" it.
That's partially true. Thanks.

Marriage isn't marriage, and I'll bet that you still use the term faggot to mean a small stick and gay means happy. Is a legal voter still a white male who owns property? Are emerods just ass-teroids too? Marriage is about love and committment, it's a legal contract in US law, and the fogging Bible-beaters don't own it.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

OK, I'm getting a handle on what is required to be a conservative, now.

limited government: Check.
Anti gay marriage: check
Pro life: Check

Creationism: optional. That's good, since your above argument is full of hooey, as I'll explain in a minute.

Global warming is OK, so long as it isn't the anthropogenic kind. Check.

Evolution: You can believe in a hundred years of scientific research and still be a conservative. Check.

Right to bear arms: I'm still working on just where the line is drawn there.

Oh, yes: Re your assertion that creationism and evolution are either both scientific theories, or neither is. Creationism is not in the realm of science one way or the other, as it is a philosophical stance and can not be proven one way or the other. Belief in creationism relies on starting with a conclusion, then finding facts to back it up. Science does not work that way. Evolution, on the other hand, starts with observation and facts, and builds a conclusion on that. It is the exact opposite, as I've said before.

Further, as I've said before, I believe in creationism. I can't say as I believe in evolution, as that would imply that it is also a philosophical or religious idea. Evolution has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so, until new evidence to the contrary is found, I'll continue to buy into the idea of evolution. It is not, however, a belief.

By God, PLC, y'all gettin' a handle on this stuff. In line with your comments about Creationism and Evolution, Science versus Religion, it would be good to note that Science is contractive in that it continually tries to winnow out the false, whereas religions are dissapative in that they continually splinter into new sects with new ideas. An example would be that Christianity started (supposedly) with one guy and now about 2000 years later we have more than 3000 sects of Christianity and none of them agree with each other well enough to pray in the same building. How many versions of the Bible are there?

Oh yeah, you can be a Conservative Christian and own guns because Jesus was big gun owner and He believed in killing in self-defense too (Andy can check with God and give you the Scriptural references for this). Few people know that He and Charleton Heston started the NRA together.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Andy is a preacher, PLC, his info comes straight from God.

That's partially true. Thanks.

Yeah....join The Club.

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[Mr. Shaman]

How APPROPRIATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

"Allegations of abuse of prisoners have continued to surface from previous detainees and human rights groups, which the White House has said will be "fully investigated".

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

It was great to see Cheyney limp from office like the maggot that he is.

Let's hope it really hurts so he can get a small taste of the pain he has dealt thousands of innocent and untried people.

I have to say that I used to be dismayed by the views of the neocons on this board but the support for Obama shows that they are just a marginalised bunch of extreme right wingers who couldn't care less about human rights and equality.

And that they are irrelevant

 

[BigRob]

It was great to see Cheyney limp from office like the maggot that he is.

Let's hope it really hurts so he can get a small taste of the pain he has dealt thousands of innocent and untried people.

I have to say that I used to be dismayed by the views of the neocons on this board but the support for Obama shows that they are just a marginalised bunch of extreme right wingers who couldn't care less about human rights and equality.

And that they are irrelevant

So much for your pretend compassion for "people."

I suppose I am glad Kennedy will be dead soon too. Seeing as how I just loathe his presence.

I of course am being sarcastic, you sadly are serious. Sad.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It was great to see Cheyney limp from office like the maggot that he is.

Let's hope it really hurts so he can get a small taste of the pain he has dealt thousands of innocent and untried people.

Gee....ya' never know....he might be dealing-with a PTSD-issue!!
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I have to say that I used to be dismayed by the views of the neocons on this board but the support for Obama shows that they are just a marginalised bunch of extreme right wingers who couldn't care less about human rights and equality.

And that they are irrelevant

Heyyyyyyyyy, c'mon.....not BigRob!!! He's a Moderator, now!!!

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[Dawkinsrocks]

I know.

Sad isn't it.

I suppose he would be just as angry if I wished pain on Adolph Hitler

 

[BigRob]

Heyyyyyyyyy, c'mon.....not BigRob!!! He's a Moderator, now!!!

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Typically sad.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Are you?

I suppose your hero did just have to do the walk of shame and his evil henchmen the wheel of shame

 

[BigRob]

Are you?

I suppose your hero did just have to do the walk of shame and his evil henchmen the wheel of shame

If you feel the need to assume Bush is my "hero" by all means, go for it.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I can understand why you would be a 'Bush denier'

 

[BigRob]

I can understand why you would be a 'Bush denier'

As always, I support policies I agree with, and argue against those that I do not. The person proposing them is meaningless.

However, if it makes you feel better, by all means think what you will.