The Bush-"Legacy"

I didn't think you would believe the nonsense being spread around about Obama. Only the very naive believe such.

But, do you mean to say you haven't heard him called a Muslim terrorist? You havent heard the nonsense about Marxism, or about the Anti Christ? It would have been hard to miss.

I have heard he could be the Anti-Christ. There are a number of reasons for this within the Christian faith, that likely one who isn't a Christian would not know, and therefore likely wouldn't understand. Thus non-believers would naturally think it's crazy, and that it's politically motivated.

Um... no actually haven't heard he's a Marxist. Since most Marxism has morphed into a general socialism, I'm a bit amused by that.

Yeah, I have never heard anyone accuse him of being a muslim terrorist. I've heard a million democrats accuse others of claiming him to be a muslim terrorist, but I can't think of any example where someone actually made the claim themselves.
 
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Andy;79796]I have heard he could be the Anti-Christ. There are a number of reasons for this within the Christian faith, that likely one who isn't a Christian would not know, and therefore likely wouldn't understand. Thus non-believers would naturally think it's crazy, and that it's politically motivated.

No Andy it's like all the other slanderous BS you spread all through the campaign and your Neo-con Obstructionist Party still got kicked to the curb.;)

Thank God the vast majority of Americans won't fall for those Nazi like smears and fear mongering techniques any longer. Now instead of buying in, everyone but the most radical of Righties are shaking their heads in disbelief of anything you say if not openly laughing in your face.

Like I said all along during your pathetic attempts to tear down a good Christian family man, faithful husband & loving father. President Obama was simply the best candidate and he has the intelligence, the calm rational demeanor and the caring to be one GREAT PRESIDENT!

America has spoken! President-elect Obama has the mandate! It's kinda like when the Bulls drafted Jordan... things are going to improve!
 
No Andy it's like all the other slanderous BS you spread all through the campaign and your Neo-con Obstructionist Party still got kicked to the curb. ;)
This should cover it! ;)

David Kuo, deputy director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives: "It’s kind of like the Tower of Babel. At a certain point in time, God smites hubris. You knew that right around the time people started saying there’s going to be a permanent Republican majority—that God kinda goes, No, I really don’t think so."

:D
 
No Andy it's like all the other slanderous BS you spread all through the campaign and your Neo-con Obstructionist Party still got kicked to the curb.;)


Please name the bills obstructed?

Please list for me the examples of where I said those things?

Thank God the vast majority of Americans won't fall for those Nazi like smears and fear mongering techniques any longer. Now instead of buying in, everyone but the most radical of Righties are shaking their heads in disbelief of anything you say if not openly laughing in your face.

I laugh at you constantly, so that's ok you would laugh back. At least I'm right.

Like I said all along during your pathetic attempts to tear down a good Christian family man, faithful husband & loving father. President Obama was simply the best candidate and he has the intelligence, the calm rational demeanor and the caring to be one GREAT PRESIDENT!

Yeah yeah. More likely, a centrist, democrat with a republican name badge, who was more left than right, didn't really attract the republican base, giving the election to the democrats.

America has spoken! President-elect Obama has the mandate! It's kinda like when the Bulls drafted Jordan... things are going to improve!

It's funny how every time the republicans win, it isn't a mandate, but when democrats win, it supposedly is. I wager your obvious bias has skewed your opinion.
 
I have heard he could be the Anti-Christ. There are a number of reasons for this within the Christian faith, that likely one who isn't a Christian would not know, and therefore likely wouldn't understand. Thus non-believers would naturally think it's crazy, and that it's politically motivated.

Oh, no! From the above, it looks as if you might be one of the Christian believers who think he might actually be the Anti Christ! Tell me it ain't so. I thought you were more rational than that.

Um... no actually haven't heard he's a Marxist. Since most Marxism has morphed into a general socialism, I'm a bit amused by that.

Didn't you hear Sean Hannity baiting naive young Obama supporters with "Do you believe in from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"? Where do you think he got that phrase?

Yeah, I have never heard anyone accuse him of being a muslim terrorist. I've heard a million democrats accuse others of claiming him to be a muslim terrorist, but I can't think of any example where someone actually made the claim themselves.

Didn't you get the email claiming exactly that? Did you think it came from Democrats? It was a viral email that must have gone to millions of Americans before the election.
 
Andy wrote ''one who isn't a Christian would not know, and therefore likely wouldn't understand''

Is that the kind of nonesense you have to use to try to make your point sound valid?

You don't know what colour shirt I am wearing but if you found out I reckon that you would probably understand too.

You really have to be hooked into syllogistic gibberish to be a christian don't you?

And as for talk of the anti-christ.

We aren't living in medieval times now you know.

Well most of us aren't
 
"One of their toughest conceptual challenges is how to describe and recast what the Bush administration has consistently termed the "war on terror."

The dean of military strategists, Carl von Clausewitz, explains the importance of this decision-making in his treatise "On War": "The first, the supreme, the most decisive act of judgment that the statesman and commander have to make is to establish...the kind of war on which they are embarking; neither mistaking it for, nor trying to turn it into something that is alien to its nature."

Clausewitz's excellent advice about the absolute necessity of properly defining the war upon which a nation is about to embark was ignored by Bush administration officialshttp://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/07/bergen.war.terror/index.html who instead declared an open-ended and ambiguous "war on terror" after the United States was attacked on September 11, 2001."​

Gee....image that....a crew of Chickenhawks TOTALLY-SCREWIN'-UP a War.

:rolleyes:
 
Oh, no! From the above, it looks as if you might be one of the Christian believers who think he might actually be the Anti Christ! Tell me it ain't so. I thought you were more rational than that.

You don't believe in the Bible, so how do you know either way on such an issue? In order for one to look at such a topic scientifically, you must examine the requirements, and then the evidence and data relevant to the requirements, correct? So since you have not done this, rationally speaking, how can you deny it? Can you prove a negative?

Didn't you hear Sean Hannity baiting naive young Obama supporters with "Do you believe in from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"? Where do you think he got that phrase?

I don't know from which specific time or place in which that happened, but if you don't know, Hannity has been doing that for ages. It's to determine just how far left, and how ignorant the general people are. He's been asking people that long before Obama was even a presidential candidate.

It's been so long, I don't even remember what the segment of his show was called, it was a field reporter putting average John Doe's off the streets on the air, and asking them general politics questions. That's one he often used. He's been doing that since at least 2005-6, before Obama was even known.

And he had tons of positive responses to that phrase as well. I personally have met some people that support that phrase without knowing it's marxist origin.

Didn't you get the email claiming exactly that? Did you think it came from Democrats? It was a viral email that must have gone to millions of Americans before the election.

I suppose that's part of the problem. First, I don't think I ever received that E-mail. Second I automatically assume any unsolicited Email is crap to be deleted instantly without opening or reading. Even if it is solicited, as in getting my address from something else I have used like Amazon, or Ebay, I still instantly delete it.

One reason for this, is that often in campaign politics, candidates often start rumors about themselves, in order to either defuse a potential issues, or even to incite sympathy by making absurd claims. In other words, the have their own people attack themselves in order to be portrayed as a victim.

It's possible such an Email, assuming it exists, could have come from a religious group, or just as easily come from someone working for the advancement of Obama.

I do not forget one of his first speeches in which he talked about race and people making fun of his name, even though, neither really happened. That didn't stop a slew of media articles and reports about all the people that (didn't) make fun of his name and his race.

In either case, an Email like that would be instantly trashed. When I say I haven't heard something, it means I haven't read someone post on here "Obama is a terrorist/Muslim!" on a forum like this, or on TV, or in direct communication, or even via overhearing others speak on the subject.

The only people I have talked to who thought Obama was a Muslim, were a bunch of other Muslims from Sudan and Yemen, and a couple of democrat Americans from the backwoods of Kentucky.

In other words, not a single conservative/republican. Not saying they don't exist, just that I have not met them.
 
You don't believe in the Bible, so how do you know either way on such an issue? In order for one to look at such a topic scientifically, you must examine the requirements, and then the evidence and data relevant to the requirements, correct?
Yeah....what better example, than the scientific-consistancy of The Bible.

:rolleyes:
 
"Over the past few weeks, many Bush administration officials have begun rewriting history in an effort to burnish President Bush’s legacy.

In the latest issue of The National Interest, Perle devotes 4,600 words — not to congratulate President Bush for invading Iraq — but to wipe his, and the whole neoconservative movement’s, hands clean of the whole affair. In the essay, he categorically denies that both he — and neoconservative ideology in general — had any influence on the Bush administration in its decision to go to war.

Indeed, no matter how many incoherent, contradictory and misleading essays Perle concocts trying to absolve himself from the Iraq debacle, like his fellow Iraq war architects, it’s clear he has no leg to stand on."​

Richard Perle......

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.....the other DICK!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Perle was forced out of his Pentagon position when it became public this year that Global Crossing was paying him to lobby the Pentagon at the same time he was heading the Pentagon advisory group. His resignation came two weeks after allegations by investigative reporter Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker that Perle used his position as Pentagon adviser to try to profit from the war in Iraq."
 
You don't believe in the Bible, so how do you know either way on such an issue? In order for one to look at such a topic scientifically, you must examine the requirements, and then the evidence and data relevant to the requirements, correct? So since you have not done this, rationally speaking, how can you deny it? Can you prove a negative?



I don't know from which specific time or place in which that happened, but if you don't know, Hannity has been doing that for ages. It's to determine just how far left, and how ignorant the general people are. He's been asking people that long before Obama was even a presidential candidate.

It's been so long, I don't even remember what the segment of his show was called, it was a field reporter putting average John Doe's off the streets on the air, and asking them general politics questions. That's one he often used. He's been doing that since at least 2005-6, before Obama was even known.

And he had tons of positive responses to that phrase as well. I personally have met some people that support that phrase without knowing it's marxist origin.



I suppose that's part of the problem. First, I don't think I ever received that E-mail. Second I automatically assume any unsolicited Email is crap to be deleted instantly without opening or reading. Even if it is solicited, as in getting my address from something else I have used like Amazon, or Ebay, I still instantly delete it.

One reason for this, is that often in campaign politics, candidates often start rumors about themselves, in order to either defuse a potential issues, or even to incite sympathy by making absurd claims. In other words, the have their own people attack themselves in order to be portrayed as a victim.

It's possible such an Email, assuming it exists, could have come from a religious group, or just as easily come from someone working for the advancement of Obama.

I do not forget one of his first speeches in which he talked about race and people making fun of his name, even though, neither really happened. That didn't stop a slew of media articles and reports about all the people that (didn't) make fun of his name and his race.

In either case, an Email like that would be instantly trashed. When I say I haven't heard something, it means I haven't read someone post on here "Obama is a terrorist/Muslim!" on a forum like this, or on TV, or in direct communication, or even via overhearing others speak on the subject.

The only people I have talked to who thought Obama was a Muslim, were a bunch of other Muslims from Sudan and Yemen, and a couple of democrat Americans from the backwoods of Kentucky.

In other words, not a single conservative/republican. Not saying they don't exist, just that I have not met them.

I see. So, being the Anti Christ is the only accusation that was actually made by the tinfoil hat crowd, the "from each according to his abilities" comment was not directed at Obama specifically, and you were not aware of the Muslim terrorist accusation. Since there is no way to prove a negative, and since a literal interpretation of the Bible is "scientific", it is still possible that Obama is, in fact, the Anti Christ.

Further, one must believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, including impossible stories that were obviously meant to be allegorical, in order to believe in it at all.

So, now, we have elected the Anti Christ to the office of president. It is a relief to know that he is not a Muslim terrorist or a Marxist. I know I'm relieved to know this.
 
I see. So, being the Anti Christ is the only accusation that was actually made by the tinfoil hat crowd, the "from each according to his abilities" comment was not directed at Obama specifically, and you were not aware of the Muslim terrorist accusation. Since there is no way to prove a negative, and since a literal interpretation of the Bible is "scientific", it is still possible that Obama is, in fact, the Anti Christ.

Further, one must believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, including impossible stories that were obviously meant to be allegorical, in order to believe in it at all.

So, now, we have elected the Anti Christ to the office of president. It is a relief to know that he is not a Muslim terrorist or a Marxist. I know I'm relieved to know this.

You are randomly throwing unrelated things together, so I am no longer sure of your point.

Yes it is possible that Obama could be the anti-christ. But then so could a large number of other people. So, there is no point to be made here.

Yes you must believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible in order to believe at all. The stories that are allegorical, are defined as allegorical. If they are not said in the Bible to be Allegorical, then they are not.

The Marxist comment, as stated, was something he asked very often to many different people. Before, during and after, the election cycle. It is meant to show how off track the left is, and it does a good job.

As too the tin foil hat people, look at this forum, there's a ton more on the left here, than the right. As for what accusation have been leveled, I've heard hundreds on thousands from the left about Bush and Cheney and McCain.

So it's not like they have only targeted Obama. Nor should you be surprised. What election have you been through in which no crazy accusation has been leveled at both candidates?
 
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You are randomly throwing unrelated things together, so I am no longer sure of your point.

Yes it is possible that Obama could be the anti-christ. But then so could a large number of other people. So, there is no point to be made here.

Yes you must believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible in order to believe at all. The stories that are allegorical, are defined as allegorical. If they are not said in the Bible to be Allegorical, then they are not.

The Marxist comment, as stated, was something he asked very often to many different people. Before, during and after, the election cycle. It is meant to show how off track the left is, and it does a good job.

As too the tin foil hat people, look at this forum, there's a ton more on the left here, than the right. As for what accusation have been leveled, I've heard hundreds on thousands from the left about Bush and Cheney and McCain.

So it's not like they have only targeted Obama. Nor should you be surprised. What election have you been through in which no crazy accusation has been leveled at both candidates?

The reason I'm "throwing randomly unrelated things together" is that they are all issues you yourself have identified as "conservative". My contention is what it has always been: Those issues are, in fact, unrelated, and a conservative is someone who believes in limited government, period.

I've listed all of the crazy allegations thrown at Obama.

What crazy allegations were made about McCain?
 
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