The Bush-"Legacy"

[chestnut]

Bododie,

Don't you know that Shaman has been brainwashed and is incapable of venturing outside of what he has been tought from the liberals.

Successful - bad Not successful -good

So Shaman, let's see. Time for role playing.... If you worked really really hard and were to create a big corporation and had 1000
employees that would be a good thing for you.

You then made a decent salary and on top of that, employed 1000 employees which in turn buy goods and services with the money they are paid. Of course govt get's their share first. You made lots of money and gave to charities and bought expensive items like campers, fine jewelery, fine clothes, went on nice vacations. You pumped some good cash into the economy.


For arguments sake, let's say you made widgets. Nothing you did was illegal or immoral. You just found a niche in the market place and did a good job at marketing and selling your product.

Ahhh but then there's govt interference. Either union, cap & trade, price fixing, govt regulations, highercorp tax

Your business suffers and not just you lose money, but now you have to lay people off and raise your prices, because you do not want your income to shrink. Of course if your income went down, that would affect more economic growth.

This is just hypothetical, but, honestly... and I mean honestly.. how would you feel?

You have been contributing to the economy, keeping people employed and providing products that people need.

How would you feel if you knew people - libs - accused you of being evil?

What things would you try to do to save your business? To take care of your family?

So tell me.. how would you be affected if you were the person I described in this story?

 

[bododie]

Oh no problem Chestnut. I know exactly what Shaman's special interest group is, and how clever he thinks he is using the word "conservative". Somehow, even if I was as liberal as Shaman, I suspect he would still have a problem with my "genetics". Some things will never change, because if they do, a "card"/excuse is lost. Oh yeah, that's the card, a "trump" card.

 

[PLC1]

....And, "conservatives" have the first-person experience to explain it, to everyone, right?

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I don't know whether conservatives know or not, but I've been to enough third world countries to know that we have it really, really good in the USA.


And, I'd be willing to bet a kid in a third world slum would not turn down a cheese sandwich. Are you taking that bet?

 

[chestnut]

Yes, we have it good. The vast majority of the under-classed have television , air conditioned, cell phones, cars, and eat at least 2 meals a day.

They may not have every luxury of the people that were successul, but that's what the left want. Everyone to be equal, regardless of merritt.

 

[PLC1]

Yes, we have it good. The vast majority of the under-classed have television , air conditioned, cell phones, cars, and eat at least 2 meals a day.

They may not have every luxury of the people that were successul, but that's what the left want. Everyone to be equal, regardless of merritt.

Not too many are that far left. Well, maybe Shaman, but he is kind of out there by himself, as far as political philosophy goes. He's an Anti Andy.

 

[Andy]

Not too many are that far left. Well, maybe Shaman, but he is kind of out there by himself, as far as political philosophy goes. He's an Anti Andy.

lol

I would hope the opposite of myself would be just be opposing views, instead of opposing logic with insanity.

Often his responses lack the logical clarity level of the Heavens Gate cult crossed with the Jim Jones, People's Temple. But at least you can give him credit for being consistently wrong, and persistent in his multi-color false-a-thon. I mean, if your going to do something, do it will all your effort, and be consistent. That's what I was taught.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Lol. So, are you saying that all "conservatives" were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never had to work for what they have?

I'm saying, "conservatives" have never given a damn about anyone, but themselves....and, would never (even) entertain the concept of putting themselves in someone-else's-shoes. That's not what John Wayne would do!!

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You keep blathering about "conservatives". Just WHO are you talking about.

Again??!!!!!



"conservatives" are lazy, small-minded/ill-educated, self-centered, xenophobic-fascists.....in Conservative-clothing.

Ya' want Conservative????​

"My faith in the future rests squarely on the belief that man, if he doesn't first destroy himself, will find new answers in the universe, new technologies, new disciplines, which will contribute to a vastly different and better world in the twenty-first century."

"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

Barry Goldwater​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

You have been contributing to the economy, keeping people employed and providing products that people need.

So tell me.. how would you be affected if you were the person I described in this story?

I'll defer to someone who's (actually) in such a position.​

"Republican President Theodore Roosevelt believed that society had a claim on the accumulated fortunes of the very wealthy, thanks to its role in creating those fortunes. In his 1906 State of the Union address, Roosevelt proposed the creation of a federal inheritance tax. He explained: "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government."

Roosevelt further argued in a June 1907 speech, "Most great civilized countries have an income tax and an inheritance tax. In my judgment both should be part of our system of federal taxation." Such taxation, he noted, should "be aimed merely at the inheritance or transmission in their entirety of those fortunes swollen beyond all healthy limits."

There is no question that some people accumulate great wealth through hard work, intelligence, creativity, and sacrifice. Individuals do make a difference, and it is important to recognize individual achievement. Yet it is equally important to acknowledge the influence of other factors, such as luck, privilege, the cooperative efforts of others, and society's investment in the creation of individual wealth." - Bill Gates Sr.

 

[bododie]

Shaman, you are deluded, and judgemental about people you know nothing about. However, I don't mind if you judge an entire group of human beings if you don't have a problem with people judging another entire "people" by what a few do, which you do. Liberals are weak.

 

[chestnut]

I'll defer to someone who's (actually) in such a position.​

I can't beliveve you ducked it again. In your words Shaman. Answer the question.

Imagine yourself in that position. Would you try to be successful? Would you want the govt to thwart your success?

The FDR argument is just a cop out. You have to answer the questions. I know it is hard for you to imagine yourself being successful, since you have this beliefe that only the govt can make people successful.

 

[PLC1]

I can't beliveve you ducked it again. In your words Shaman. Answer the question.

Imagine yourself in that position. Would you try to be successful? Would you want the govt to thwart your success?

The FDR argument is just a cop out. You have to answer the questions. I know it is hard for you to imagine yourself being successful, since you have this beliefe that only the govt can make people successful.

Why worry about success or lack thereof? Money comes from the government, doesn't it?

Like this:

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Shaman, you are deluded, and judgemental about people you know nothing about.

What.....those anti-"conservative" opinions, like Goldwater's, were inadequate, huh?

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[Mr. Shaman]

I can't beliveve you ducked it again.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww.....the (real) Conservative-opinion broke your widdle heart, huh?

I can't do anything, about that.....

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The FDR argument is just a cop out.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....let's seeeeeee......

NOPE!!!!

I made no references to FDR.

You're not (exactly) a History Major, are you?​

 

[Andy]

I can't beliveve you ducked it again. In your words Shaman. Answer the question.

Imagine yourself in that position. Would you try to be successful? Would you want the govt to thwart your success?

The FDR argument is just a cop out. You have to answer the questions. I know it is hard for you to imagine yourself being successful, since you have this beliefe that only the govt can make people successful.

You are expecting Shaman to answer a question directly without someone else thinking for him? Please tell me you are not holding out for an original thought from Shaman.

You do understand that his name is "SHAMan"?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Just one o' the many benefits of tax-cuts!!!!

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