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It wasn't just Mao who used this term. I will post some other examples when I get a little more time later.

And, considering Communism is responsible for more human suffering and murder in the 20th century than at any other point in the history of this planet .... I would say those are some pretty soft definition you used as examples!

Those are the dictionary definitions of the terms you've been using.

And yes, Communism, or more accurately, communist dictatorships have been responsible for a lot of human suffering and murder, no question.

But, it seems to me that labeling a policy as "Communism" when it is actually just statism is softening the definition.

BTW, do you think that we should push for better conditions in government, or are you satisfied with the status quo?
 
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Those are the dictionary definitions of the terms you've been using.

And yes, Communism, or more accurately, communist dictatorships have been responsible for a lot of human suffering and murder, no question.

But, it seems to me that labeling a policy as "Communism" when it is actually just statism is softening the definition.

BTW, do you think that we should push for better conditions in government, or are you satisfied with the status quo?
Progressivism, socialism, communism, statism, depotism, dicatorship, in practice are all the same thing with slightly different theories, but the end result is the same.

Attempting to focus on these slight differences does not mean the policies of BO are not communist nor does it excuse the reality of why he continues to use the slogan "forward" in his propaganda.
 
Progressivism, socialism, communism, statism, depotism, dicatorship, in practice are all the same thing with slightly different theories, but the end result is the same.

Attempting to focus on these slight differences does not mean the policies of BO are not communist nor does it excuse the reality of why he continues to use the slogan "forward" in his propaganda.

the differences are not slight. They are the differences between, say for example, most of the countries of Western Europe, which are pretty statist, and the old China under Mao or perhaps Cambodia under the Khymer Rouge, or North Korea. Those are huge differences.

Are you satisfied with the status quo?
 
I'm not sure that it is the government that is manipulating the price of gold, or that it is even being manipulated deliberately. It looks to me as if heavy advertising is what is bringing up the price. Maybe someone is profiting from that, and maybe not.
I remember the last time the price spiked it was being manipulated by someone who wanted to buy enough to bring the price up, then sell before it readjusted. I had a friend who told me I should buy, that the price was going over $2,000. It didn't, he lost his shirt, and I was glad I didn't listen to him.

Here is part of an article.

(ps. while I do think you should buy silver the reason is not that it will go up soon. My belief is that due to poor macro aspects of the economy it will go down, perhaps as low as $15/ounce, then go up very high within five to ten years. So by all means wait and if you see it go down to $15 then rethink what I am saying. But if it does go down to $15, will you have enough cash on hand, what will the premium be at that time, what will the availablility be, and might it happen to suddenly to take advantage of it.) anyway, back to the article.

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On Friday, October 11, when there was no sign of any deal between US Congress members and the Obama White House that would end the government shutdown, the Chicago CME Group, which operates Comex - the Chicago Commodity Exchange, where contracts in gold derivatives are traded - announced that at 8:42am Eastern time the trading was halted for 10 seconds after a safety mechanism was triggered because a 2-million-ounce (56.7 million grams) gold futures sell order was executed.

Something rotten in gold market
The result of that huge paper gold sale was that at just the time when a possible US government debt default would send investors in a panic rush to the safety of buying gold, instead, the price plunged $30 an ounce to a three-month low of $1,259.60 an ounce. Market insiders believe the reason was direct market manipulation.

David Govett, head of precious metals at bullion broker Marex Spectron, calls the sudden huge futures sale suspicious.

"These moves are becoming more and more prevalent and to my mind have to either be the work of someone attempting to manipulate the market or someone who really shouldn’t be trusted with the sums of money they are throwing around. There are ways of entering and exiting a market so that minimum damage is caused and whoever is entering these orders has no intention of doing that," Govett said.

UBS gold trader Art Cashin echoed the suspicion.

“…if that happens once it could be an accident of technology, or it could be a simple error. But when it happens five times over a period of months, it does raise questions. Is it being done purposefully? Is somebody trying to influence the market?”

That ‘someone’ market sources believe is the Obama White House, in league with the Federal Reserve and key Wall Street banks that would be ruined were gold to really rise.

In March 1988, five months after the worst one-day stock market plunge in history, President Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12631. Order 12631 created the Working Group on Financial Markets, known on Wall Street as the ‘Plunge Protection Team’ because its job was to prevent any future unexpected financial market panic selloff or ‘plunge’.

The group is headed by the US Treasury Secretary and includes the chairman of the Federal Reserve, the head of the Securities & Exchange Commission, and the head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) which is responsible for monitoring derivatives trading on exchanges.

Numerous times since 1988, reports have surfaced of secret interventions by the Plunge Protection Team to prevent a market panic selloff that could threaten the role of the US dollar. Former Clinton White House staff chief George Stephanopoulos admitted in 2006 that it was used to support the markets in the 1998 Russia/LTCM crisis under Bill Clinton, and again after the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001. "

He said, "They have an informal agreement among major banks to come in and start to buy stock if there appears to be a problem." [ ]

Clearly stocks are not the only thing the government manipulates. Gold these days is a prime focus. The price of gold in recent years—since the eruption of the US dot.com IT stock bubble in 2000—has exploded from around $300 an ounce to a recent record high above $1,900 in August, 2011. Gold rose an impressive 70 percent from December 2008 to June 2011, after the Lehman Brothers collapse and the start of the Greek crisis in the eurozone.

Since then, with no clear reason, gold has reversed and lost more than 31 percent, despite the fact that talk of a unilateral Israeli military strike on Iran and the US financial debacle combined with a euro crisis, and now, threat of US government default, created overall huge demand for investment in gold.

This past April 10, the heads of the five largest US banks, the Wall Street ‘Gods of Money’ — JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America and Citigroup — requested a closed door meeting with Obama at the White House. Fifteen days later, on April 25, the largest one-day fall in history in gold took place. Later investigation of trading records at Comex revealed that one bank, JP Morgan Securities, was behind the huge selloff of gold derivatives. Derivatives are pieces of paper or bets on future gold or other commodity prices. To buy gold futures is very inexpensive compared with gold but influence the real physical gold price, largely because the US Congress, under lobby influence from Wall Street, since 2000 and the Commodity Trading Modernization Act, has left gold derivatives unregulated. The President’s Plunge Protection Team was at work now as well, clearly.
And there are grave doubts whether the Federal Reserve actually holds the 8,044 tons of gold it claims it does. The former International Monetary Fund director, France’s Dominique Straus-Kahn, demanded an independent audit of the Federal Reserve gold after the US refused to deliver to the IMF 191 tons of gold agreed to under the IMF Articles of Agreement signed by the Executive Board in April 1978 to back Special Drawing Rights issuance. Immediately before he could rush back to Paris, he was hit by a bizarre hotel sex scandal and abruptly forced to resign. Straus-Kahn had been shown a secret Russian intelligence report prepared for President Vladimir Putin in which ‘rogue’ CIA agents revealed that the US Federal Reserve had no gold reserves and only lied that it did.

The stakes for Washington and Wall Street in depressing the gold price are staggering. Were gold to soar to $10,000 or more, where many believe current demand-supply pressures would find it, there would be a panic selloff of the dollar and of US Treasury bonds. China now holds a record $3.7 trillion of foreign currency reserves and the US Treasury bonds and bills are about half that.

That selloff would send US interest rates sky-high, forcing a chain-reaction of corporate and personal bankruptcies that have been avoided since the financial crisis broke in 2007 only owing to record near-zero Federal Reserve interest rates. That selloff, in turn, would be the end of the US as the world’s sole superpower. Little wonder the Obama Administration is manipulating gold. It cannot last very long at this pace, however.
 
Check out the first five posts in this thread, some of which are yours.
The stock market has more than doubled.
The job market is largely stagnant.
The wealthy get most of their money from investments.
Most of the economic growth has gone to the top 1%.
Meanwhile, the low wage earner has lost, or is barely staying even.
So, how does that equate to "Marxism?" It sounds a lot like the polar opposite to me.

In many ways you are right. here is an article:

An expansive new study on the Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing (QE) program found that QE’s ultra-low interest rates have enriched banks and central governments at the expense of households and pensioners. The study, which was conducted by the consulting firm McKinsey & Company, examined the distributional effects of the change in interest rates that resulted from QE’s bond-buying program. The lower rates almost certainly helped net borrowers, who were able to take advantage of lower borrowing costs, and hurt net savers, who were punished with lower rates of return on their investments.

“These distribution effects are most likely unintended consequences of central bank policies,” the study’s authors wrote. “Lower rates have reduced interest payments for borrowers but have diminished the interest income of savers.”


McKinsey analyzed the interest incomes and expenses of various sectors in 2007 and 2012 and estimated how much of the changes could be attributed to the Fed’s QE program.

According to the study, the U.S. central government was by far the biggest QE beneficiary, with cumulative net interest benefits of $900 billion. Non-financial corporations received $310 billion in benefits, while U.S. banks received $150 billion. The biggest losers were American households, which lost $360 billion due to QE’s effects, and life insurance and pension plans (most of which have individuals or families as beneficiaries), which lost an additional $270 billion.

www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/obamas_fallen_and_he_cant_get_up.html

Now, about your points: notice that the greatest beneficiary is the government itself - exactly what marxists would do in both theory and practice. Second notice that it is the power elite who benefit at the expense of the regular people. Exactly what marxists do in practice. When have the promises of marxism for the commmon man ever been realized?
 
the differences are not slight. They are the differences between, say for example, most of the countries of Western Europe, which are pretty statist, and the old China under Mao or perhaps Cambodia under the Khymer Rouge, or North Korea. Those are huge differences.

Are you satisfied with the status quo?
 
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the differences are not slight. They are the differences between, say for example, most of the countries of Western Europe, which are pretty statist, and the old China under Mao or perhaps Cambodia under the Khymer Rouge, or North Korea. Those are huge differences.

Are you satisfied with the status quo?
The experts disagree .... those are their words not mine. The differences are slight and the outcomes are the same.

Status qou of what?
 
The experts disagree .... those are their words not mine. The differences are slight and the outcomes are the same.

Status qou of what?

The differences between France, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands et. al. and North Korea or Cambodia under the Khymer Rouge are slight?

Now, you must be using a creative definition of "slight."

status quo of the US government.
 
Regardless of what communist influences are in play right now I hope that every one can take away one nugget:

There is a huge huge amount of chatter out there about this being a bubble ripe to pop. The timing could be anywhere from a month to four years before that happens. The Fed could miraculously avoid that pop - I don't count on it. The fed is almost certainly lying to us about the bubble. There are a few pie in the sky analysts out there who claim there is no bubble and all is full speed ahead, which is actually a sign of a bubble.

By all means if you are not broke or if you are in debt I implore you all to do your own research to determine what you should do in the event that a bubble pops and to determine if you think one will.

You have a choice to feel like a fool for getting out of the market too early, feel like a fool for getting out too late, but you will almost certainly not time the market just right.

And for those of you who are thinking that you are not in the market so it does not matter you will especially want to do your homework because what is taken from you will not be the extra money you invested but the money on which you depend.
 
Whatever the underlying cause of the market boom -- it's been a nice couple of years haha.
 
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Mao's great leap forward

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Regardless of what communist influences are in play right now I hope that every one can take away one nugget:

There is a huge huge amount of chatter out there about this being a bubble ripe to pop. The timing could be anywhere from a month to four years before that happens. The Fed could miraculously avoid that pop - I don't count on it. The fed is almost certainly lying to us about the bubble. There are a few pie in the sky analysts out there who claim there is no bubble and all is full speed ahead, which is actually a sign of a bubble.

By all means if you are not broke or if you are in debt I implore you all to do your own research to determine what you should do in the event that a bubble pops and to determine if you think one will.

You have a choice to feel like a fool for getting out of the market too early, feel like a fool for getting out too late, but you will almost certainly not time the market just right.

And for those of you who are thinking that you are not in the market so it does not matter you will especially want to do your homework because what is taken from you will not be the extra money you invested but the money on which you depend.
First you should never feel like a fool for taking profits too early...Most of my on going banking intelligence comes from this place. To say that bankers are completely in control of our country is an understatement. In a minute I'll give you the a link on that worthless Securities and Excgange Commission (SEC) and the equally corrupt Commodities and Futures Trading Commission or (CFTC)

Both of these agencies originated as regulatory bodies.IMO They have become lap dogs for the elite.

The blog owner/writer is very intelligent. She writes under a pen name. While I don't pretend to understand everything she writes- I do understand a majority of it. Here then is a taste of the latest magic bestowed on us by the agencies we underwrite and pay to protect us. Heh.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013...-caves-sec-opens-door-wide-open-to-fraud.html
 
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