I said name a country that has done bad in the name of atheism. I didn't say just name a country that has done bad.
That is an unreasonable request because even when atheist leaders do bad things as a direct result of their atheism they don't do it in the name of Atheism because Atheism doesn't have a name. When Christians do things in the name of atheism it is obvious that they are doing it as a result of their Christian beliefs. The same is true of Stalin. He did nothing in the name of atheism but he did quite a lot because of his atheism.
Your point about vivisectionsists suggests you think two wrongs make a right. This is not surprising as this kind of revenge logic abounds in that work of fiction called the bible.
No my point was that there are people today who are opposed to things because life just is not that simple. Vivisection can be wrong and can be right. Those who are opposed to it for the times when it is wrong are not committing an evil and stifling science any more than those of the past who opposed things that would advance science for the things about the techniques that were wrong were stifling science.
If you think the Spanish Inquisition was against torture you have a very bizarre grasp of history. And for the record, it was originally know as the papal inquisition until the pope realised how nasty it was and what a blot on his wonderful reputation it was. ****ing little boys was ok for him but the inquisition wa considered bad marketing.
Well I said that you should brush up on the history and apparently you decided to speak before doing that.
The Spanish Inquisition was started and was established in 1478 by Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile (who happened to be catholic) to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms, and to replace the medieval inquisition which was under papal control. The new body was under the direct control of the Spanish monarchy. It was not definitively abolished until 1834, during the reign of Isabel II.
This paragraph from Wiki tells us that the pope was not responsible for the establishment of the Spanish Inquisition but some catholic king who had political reasons was.
Later when the pope did exert his authority and gain control of the inquisition he appointed Tomás de Torquemada specifically charged with the task of reigning in the abuses of the inquisition.
By the way 800,000 people were not burned as a result as you stated. More from wiki:
"In the mid-16th century to the mid-17th century, a time when Europe was torn apart by Catholic-Protestant strife, there began to appear from the pens of various European Protestant intellectuals, who generally had minimal or no direct access or experience of the Inquisition, what has come to be known as the Black Legend, as part of the Protestant polemic in support of the Protestant Revolution. With the gradual ebbing of religious hostilities professional historians began investigations, giving a detailed, nuanced and less exaggerated picture of the Inquisition."
From 1476 to 1834 an estimated 2,000 people were executed (with roughly half of these being proxy executions of straw figures).
So over the course of about 400 years about 250 people per year in all of the country of Spain were executed after being tried and found guilty of heresy. Lawbreaking that they could have avoided if they had followed the laws. And let's not forget this was under Torquemada who had aready reformed the inquisition by this time so that the trials were fair. In contrast the trials under the monarchs who previously ran the inquisition in a much smaller area of Spain inspired the reputation of the spanish inquisition and then they only killed about 100 people.
Furthermore:
"Torquemada was a complex man: a ferocious zealot, he was also, ironically, the main reformer of the Spanish Inquisition - working to eliminate judicial corruption, bribery, false accusation and perjury. e.g., anyone found bearing false witness against another incurred the penalty due the one falsely accused. No respecter of rank, nobles, bishops and even a prince were called to appear before his Inquisition. He strongly supported the use of torture [as did every other government at the time], but at the same time limited its practice. An early example of a penal reformer, Torquemada cleaned up the Inquisition's jails and saw to it that the prisoners were properly fed and clothed. A telling measure of his efforts can be seen wherein the numbers of common criminals petitioning to get their cases transferred to ecclesiastical courts became an administrative problem."
And after all that correction we can still say that they acted against the clear commands of Christ and were not acting as followers of Jesus when they did these things. Even if they claimed to do them in the name of God that does not mean that the real motivation was actually to please God.
It is nor surprise to me that you hold these distorted views.
So who has the distorted view?
After all you think some beardy bloke in the sky made everything. If that is not the biggest form of self delusion I don't know what is.
I have no conceptions of God having a beard since He is spirit. I have no conceptions of Him inhabiting the sky either.
If you think that is what I believe though you might want to reconsider where you are getting your information.
