Religion of Peace At It Again

[jb_1430]

I am looking at the literal meaning of a passage as an extremist might look at it. I'm not saying that's just a parable so it doesn't count type of crap.

Well, first of all your not using the literal interpretation. You said

"In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him."

When quite clearly we can see what it says is

27"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

that Jesus name doesnt even appear in the verse. It is the "king" who is giving the orders, not Jesus. "Jesus" is not a literal interpretation of the word "king".

And if extremist did make such a misrepresentation of the doctrine, as you have, to incite violence, I really couldnt blame the doctrine when it is their misrepresentation of the doctrine that is doing the incitement.
Unfortunately, the fundamentalist are interpreting "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers to mean "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers, so I blame the doctrine.

 

[OPGhostdog]

jb_1430. This thread is called Important News. Why don't you
take your bs to Culture & Religion, and nobody's there then type
to yourself.

 

[KingBall]

jb_1430. This thread is called Important News. Why don't you
take your bs to Culture & Religion, and nobody's there then type
to yourself.

Yeah jb this thread is about neo nazi islamofacists and their lockstep sheep supporters.

 

[Coyote]

Yeah jb this thread is about neo nazi islamofacists and their lockstep sheep supporters.

You sound uneducated.

 

[Castle]

You sound uneducated.

To avoid any misunderstanding, what exactly do you mean by "uneducated"
I have seen that term used in so many different ways that I have to ask.

-Castle

 

[Coyote]

To avoid any misunderstanding, what exactly do you mean by "uneducated"
I have seen that term used in so many different ways that I have to ask.

-Castle

It means I'm just being a wise ass and nasty :smile:

 

[Castle]

It means I'm just being a wise ass and nasty :smile:

LOL.......of course humor and sarcasm. I need to lighten up. thanks for reminding me.

-Castle

 

[vyo476]

You constantly like to insert the word ONLY to create these strawman arguements to busy yourself with.

Fine, let's say "biggest" instead. In order for your whole "Islam is evil" theory to really hold weight Islam would have to be the root cause of the evil that is being perpetuated.

Like I said, Ill take the word of the Islamic fundamentalist as to what motivates them to engage in this worldwide campaign of Islamic terror before Ill take the word of those who feel compelled to defend them. To deflect attention from them. To deflect blame from them to what has been done to them by others.

You misunderstand me. I'm not defending terrorists. I'm attempting to get to the heart of what's really causing them to do what they do. That way, we can address those issues and hopefully put an end to this whole bloody mess.

I don't subscribe to the idea that Islam is causing all of this because that argument is only skin deep. If we attempt to absolve ourselves of all blame for the rise of terrorism by ignoring that we were a part of it, then we will be unable to address the issues that really drive the terrorists and we'll never be quit of them.

I want to solve the problem. I want to get to the heart of the issue and work from there. Now let's say you were right and Islam was causing all this. What then? Where do you intend to go from there? Don't ignore this paragraph, jb, it's probably the most important question I could ask you.

Just as Christian doctrine motivates a worldwide campaign of missionaries preaching the word of Jesus, Islamic Doctrine motivates a worldwide campaign to establish the rule of the Islamic caliphate. Neither would exist without the doctrine.

Not as they exist now, no. Would altruistic people still spread their vision of happiness to others, and would madmen still murder innocent people to satisfy a crazed agenda? Yes.

 

[vyo476]

Just so we're totally clear, I do fully and completely consider terrorists to be in the wrong. I don't condone what they do and I don't think they're justified in doing it. Understanding the actual causes of what they're doing is, for me, about protecting innocent peaceful Muslims from the backlash of the idea that Islam is causing these problems and its about solving the problems by recognizing the actual issues that drive them.

Side note...why is the edit feature turned off on this thread?

 

[jb_1430]

Fine, let's say "biggest" instead. In order for your whole "Islam is evil" theory to really hold weight Islam would have to be the root cause of the evil that is being perpetuated.
...
I don't subscribe to the idea that Islam is causing all of this because that argument is only skin deep. If we attempt to absolve ourselves of all blame for the rise of terrorism by ignoring that we were a part of it,

Putting quotation marks around your strawman arguements doesnt make them anything other than your strawman arguements.
At least after a week of claiming that Islam is not the cause youve finally made the first indication of what you believe is to blame for their behavior.
"WE" did it!

 

[OPGhostdog]

Putting quotation marks around your strawman arguements doesnt make them anything other than your strawman arguements.
At least after a week of claiming that Islam is not the cause youve finally made the first indication of what you believe is to blame for their behavior.
"WE" did it!

jb_1430, What is your POINT in keeping this stupid replay game
of your going? Yeah I know I know you from another site different
screen name, but the same old bs, and do you see that you're the
only ***hole who is keeping confusion going? Plus like I said to me
you are two faced. Look closely at the ending of your comment...
At least after a week of claiming that Islam is not the cause youve finally made the first indication of what you believe is to blame for their behavior.
"WE" did it![/QUOTE]

People have the rights to say or think the way they want to think
just like you do, and we ARE the ones who mess up things in the
Middle East. Are you in denial about that?

 

[jb_1430]

At least after a week of claiming that Islam is not the cause youve finally made the first indication of what you believe is to blame for their behavior.
"WE" did it!

Geeeez! Somebody get this guy a map. It was vyo476's indication.

 

[OPGhostdog]

I don't subscribe to the idea that Islam is causing all of this because that argument is only skin deep.

jb_1430...You the one who can't understand what vyo is saying.
All Vyo is saying is he can't accept the idea, and I have to agree
along with that....neither can I.

Then vy0 continue to say ...If we attempt to absolve ourselves
of all blame for the rise of terrorism by ignoring that we were a
part of it.

Then you comeback with your offbeat bs

Putting quotation marks around your strawman arguements
doesnt make them anything other than your strawman arguements.

(This is the part where you are attacking what vy0 stated.
At least after a week of claiming that Islam is not the cause
youve finally made the first indication of what you believe is
to blame for their behavior.

Oh that name that you are on the other forum is ptif219,
the blabber mouth of the internet. Like you are doing now,
and the sad part of it is You're not offering nothing to any
of the threads but hot air.

Basically, I understand my Muslim faith (do you)?, and I
believe in Islam. Which is something that you have to read
about, and what you read then post is confusing (at least)
as far as I am concerned.

Out of 2.5 billion Muslims everyone do not believe or think
the same way.
"WE" did it!

 

[jb_1430]

...If we attempt to absolve ourselves
of all blame for the rise of terrorism by ignoring that we were a
part of it.

Well, if "ourselves" refers to Americans, I have not made any comments one way or another as to to the "blame" due the Americans and in fact the only attempts to "absolve" anything of blame has been you, seeking to absolve Islam of any of the blame.

Out of 2.5 billion Muslims everyone do not believe or think
the same way.
"WE" did it!

Well, since I have not made any comments one way or another as to to what "2.5 billion Muslims" "belive or think", like above, this is just another in your long line of strawman arguements.

Islamic societies are ruled by insincere Muslims, unbelievers and apostates. The third category follows two ways in its action: peacefully guide the believers to the true religious path and pursue jihad against apostates rulers—those who built collaborative relationships with Jews, Christians, communists, socialists, or are committed to political institutions such as the UN, the Arab League, and embrace non-Muslim values such as democracy, socialism, and secularism; all deserve death.
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/atlas/Atlas-ResearchCompendium.pdf
p 122

 

[OPGhostdog]

Well, if "ourselves" refers to Americans, I have not made any comments one way or another as to to the "blame" due the Americans and in fact the only attempts to "absolve" anything of blame has been you, seeking to absolve Islam of any of the blame.

Well, since I have not made any comments one way or another as to to what "2.5 billion Muslims" "belive or think", like above, this is just another in your long line of strawman arguements.

Have your losted your damn mind? I am NOT trying to absolve ****.
I am posting you facts, and you are the one who is twisting s***
around. Stop your lying..that's the problem you have been making
incorrect comments. Believe (is not spell belive). Hell yeah I am
going to argue with your simple minded a** until you backoff or
submit a post whereas YOU are not arguing.

Its my right to speak out again your bs especially when you are
wrong, and like to keep the s*** going. What you need to do is
cut off your computer, and go to your closet to play with your
rubber doll.

In closing...you can't make a comment about the 2.5 billions
Muslims, due to the fact that you was not aware to that fact,
but I bet $200 to your five 10cent pop bottles you are researching
it now. Thereforth I will be waiting to chop your a** up again
when you post some more bs.

You hate defeat don't you? Wait!!! Let me make it more clear to
you......In otherwords you want to be the know it all, and you think
that everyone else knows nothing. Well Buddy you are wrong.