Biology, Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Geography? Give an example please, of which field of study in which we are less advanced than we were two thousand years ago?
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Biology, Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Geography? Give an example please, of which field of study in which we are less advanced than we were two thousand years ago?
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Zylstra
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From your point of view, it is unknowable whether I exist. From mine, it is unknowable whether you do. "I think, therefore I am" only works for oneself, after all. I know that my soul exists, as it is what controls the body god made for me to use in this life. Were there no soul, the body would not be animated, i.e., possessed of a soul.
What is it that animates the body, or gives it life, one only has to look up the root of the word "animate."
So, no, I can't prove to you that you and I have a soul any more than you can prove to me that you exist. The preponderance of the evidence, however, shows that you do exist, and that you have a soul that animates your body, just as I do.
You can accept that as proof or not. If not, and you still believe that when you die you cease to exist, I'll add you to my list of people to text in the next life with an "I told you so" message.
If you're right, of course, then neither of us will ever know it.
Nope. I find it quite fascinating.
It's a very scientifically miraculous thing that just that happened. Don't really need to jazz it up with spirits, ghosts & goblins.
And one thing I'm convinced of... none of the man made religions hit the true mark. As you study them independently you see the self serving nature of it all. And then the science comes in and even further erodes the credibility.
Being a former Lutheran Christian now agnostic I'm willing to leave a door open that a "God" created everything way back when time began and they disappeared forever (Deist). But then that could also have been some hyper advanced alien civilization just as well.
So I'm simply back to not spiritually believing what can't be proven.
Should I add you to the list I mentioned in the last post, or is your mind still open?
I already answered this to you before my friend...
I prefer you text me know when we both know you'll be able to send it and I'll be able to receive it!
And in a friendly way I must also disagree with your conclusions as stated to Zylstra.
People know each other exist... it is not an "I only know" conclusion... it is an absolute. We can all look and interact with each other and state that as a fact to each other across the board.
Also the very fact that hundreds of millions of people didn't and don't have any knowledge of anything like a soul means that is not an absolute.
And when it comes to what animates our bodies that is simple biology. Testable, provable biology. Neurological science. We have experimented on animals and humans and we know what makes us alive. For that matter we have even gotten to the point of being able to often revive someone who has technically died.
All that said I still think that it's good that you feel so committed to your belief. After all the whole point should be to do what makes each individual feel more confident, secure and comforted.
No one should try and take that away from somebody else. Now if they want to debate it... then they open that door themselves.
By this logic, animals also possess a "soul" (because they are "animated), something most organized Christian religions refute.
Dr.Who
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Thinking on great things within one's mind.
For example, history was largely kept in the minds of the people. So was poetry.
The Illiad was memorized as it was being composed and then later written down (about 300 pages). Paul the apostle "wrote" his fourteen letters of the bible in his mind and then transcribed them into letters. If you ever have a chance to make an outline of one of his letters you will see that it is every bit as structured as any modern outline.
The ability to know what wild plants one could eat or use for medicine was also more advanced than it is today. And by more laypeople too.
Dr Who this was some of the learning I had in mind. It may be true more people can read history books than in the past but less people know the history of their region or family. Learning and inteligence can have different meanings
samsara15
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Nonetheless, there was less knowledge available back then than now. The history they knew was spotty and mainly false. The Illiad was certainly not literally true.
samsara15
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By this logic, any cell has a soul.
The organized Christian religions are wrong about that. I'm certain my dog has a soul.
I already answered this to you before my friend...
I prefer you text me know when we both know you'll be able to send it and I'll be able to receive it!
And in a friendly way I must also disagree with your conclusions as stated to Zylstra.
People know each other exist... it is not an "I only know" conclusion... it is an absolute. We can all look and interact with each other and state that as a fact to each other across the board.
Also the very fact that hundreds of millions of people didn't and don't have any knowledge of anything like a soul means that is not an absolute.
And when it comes to what animates our bodies that is simple biology. Testable, provable biology. Neurological science. We have experimented on animals and humans and we know what makes us alive. For that matter we have even gotten to the point of being able to often revive someone who has technically died.
All that said I still think that it's good that you feel so committed to your belief. After all the whole point should be to do what makes each individual feel more confident, secure and comforted.
No one should try and take that away from somebody else. Now if they want to debate it... then they open that door themselves.
How can you prove to anyone else that you exist? Come to think of it, I don't think you do. You're nothing more than some neurons firing in my mind, with no existence outside of my own brain. Those same neuron firings could be generated from my optic nerve when light hits my eye from watching an episode of the Simpsons. Are you going to tell us that Homer Simpson exists?
I don't believe you can prove that you exist, any more than I can prove that a soul exists, or that god exists. It's just something we know, or don't know.
But, if it comforts you to believe that you exist, and aren't just a figment of my imagination, and that belief makes you feel more confident and comforted, then by all means, continue in your belief.
Even though you can't prove it.
samsara15
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If I thought souls existed, I would agree with that. I do think consciousness exists for other animals, including dogs.
Now if you could show me a connection between Dark Energy or Dark Matter and that had something to do with human consciousness, we might find the basis for a discussion about the existence of the soul, but that evidence is yet to be found.
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The nature of dark matter is quite an interesting question, isn't it?
There are so many things we really don't know, and that makes life interesting.
I suppose if we knew everything, we'd be gods. Then, there would be no debate about the existence of god.
