Prove that God doesn't exist.

[numinus]

But from where do those individual wills come or emerge?

Here's where teleology comes in.

Though we know we have free will, it is not absolutely free. We may choose to fly but not so within our own personal powers. We need to ride a plane for that, no?

And a relatively free will can only come from something that is absolutely free will. The conclusion is, of course, the same with first cause, first motion and absolute perfection.

How can will exist without an object within which to exist?

You are talking about the mind being merely a consequence of the body rather than the other way around.

My wife went into a 15-day coma due to viral encephalitis a year before we got married. The doctor's prognosis (an american trained neurologist) was very bad -- 'massive brain damage' bad. She woke up suddenly as if from a deep sleep. Except for partial memory loss and atrophied muscles, she was fine.

The first thing she asked for (she couldn't talk so it was like a game of charades) was a mirror. She said later on that she wanted to retouch here make-up.

 

[1soldier]

Kelly I wanted to share something cool with you if I may? Check this youtube video out.I believe this guy is sincere about his discovery of an biblical object.Type Urim and thummim in and watch the previews of this documentary out.Tell us your opinion.

 

[Aus22]

I have just read Hitchins , "God is not Great"While the book examines arguements like design well he spends most of the book attacking religion. He blames religion for most wars in a chapter headed Religion kills. While there have been many religious wars. Hitler. Stalin and Mao kill millions while most religious pererseutions kill at most thousands.

He also attavks Religious firgures like Mother Mary of having too much money. Yet she spent her life helping the poor. Surely it is better to debate this question without these unecessary attacks.

 

[dahermit]

I have just read Hitchins , "God is not Great"While the book examines arguements like design well he spends most of the book attacking religion. He blames religion for most wars in a chapter headed Religion kills. While there have been many religious wars. Hitler. Stalin and Mao kill millions while most religious pererseutions kill at most thousands.

He also attavks Religious firgures like Mother Mary of having too much money. Yet she spent her life helping the poor. Surely it is better to debate this question without these unecessary attacks.

Who is "Mother Mary"?

 

[Dr.Who]

Who is "Mother Mary"?

Aus meant to say Mother Theresa.

 

[Aus22]

Thanks Dr Who. I did mean the Albanian nun Mother Teresa. Hitchins attacks her in his boook and also on a video. His main complaint is that her order will not release accounts of its activity in India. Church accounts are available in other countries but aparently this proves that her order is hiding something.
He does dismiss one so call miracle where better quality film film produce aparent miraculous results in a dark room. He is also crtitical of her accepting any good in suffering. Here he misundestands Catholic doctrine. Suffering can never be good in itself but how you react to suffering can sometimes do good.
The problem is that these minor issues are use to blacken Mother Teresa, the Catholic Church and even belief in God. Surely a scientific or philosphy debate would be more useful

 

[dahermit]

Mother Teresa. He is also crtitical of her accepting any good in suffering. Here he misundestands Catholic doctrine. Suffering can never be good in itself but how you react to suffering can sometimes do good.
The problem is that these minor issues are use to blacken Mother Teresa, the Catholic Church and even belief in God. Surely a scientific or philosphy debate would be more useful

There are others who criticize Mother Teresa. I have seen video interviews with former nuns who went to India to aid her in her "work". They quit in disgust when they found that all the "comfort" she provided to the dieing was just a place to die. The new nuns were admonished and told not to make the dieing more comfortable, saying: "...thier suffering brings them closer to God...".
Also, Penn and Teller did some research and discovered that the money that Mother Teresa hits people up for, dispute the assumptions (and her never dispelling those assumptions), of the contributor's that it is going to help the poor, ends up financing more convents for the Catholic church.

If one believes in devils, demons, witches, magic water, magic wine, magic wafers, magic smoke, and an old man can be elected by his peers to semi-godhood, then it is easier to believe that an disingenuous old crone can also do miracles.

 

[Aus22]

I think your last post proves nmy point. Mother Teresa may be the evilest person who ever live but how does prove that God does not exist.

 

[PLC1]

A hundred and twenty six pages, and still no one has proven that god does or does not exist.

Of course, philosophers have been trying to do so for centuries, with no definitive proof one way or the other, so it isn't surprising.

God exists because I say so! How's that?

 

[dahermit]

I think your last post proves nmy point. Mother Teresa may be the evilest person who ever live but how does prove that God does not exist.

But then consider: If God exists and creation must have a creator, it follows then that it is just as likely that there are a race of "gods", not just one (who created god).

 

[Zylstra]

Ok, for all you Atheists out there: Let's hear your argument against the existence of God.

I smell a troll

http://www.google.com/search?q=burd...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

why should/shouldn't God/religion play a part in politics???

They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.

We who are a part of this world and have a vested inters in its well-being will handle things. Just go back home and pray.

 

[Aus22]

But then consider: If God exists and creation must have a creator, it follows then that it is just as likely that there are a race of "gods", not just one (who created god).

From a logical point of view your statement could be true. That why people use to believe in many Gods. However from philosophy men started to belive there is only one supreme person. After all it there were other Gods with equal power they would fight among themselves. Nature seems to have solve this problem by only having one dominant creature in his region or time.. Therefore the Lion became the King of the Jungle, Man became the strongest being when he learnt to kill the lion.Survival of the fittest would ensure that there is only one God with supreme power in a particar region or time.

Theology claims this God reveal himself to man. This can not be prove completely but neither can it be disproved.

 

[Zylstra]

Men lessened the numbers of god as they died- not from philosophy, but by the piercing blade of science

YHWH/El rests beside Helios among all of our dead gods

Your hierarchical thinking is ignorant. We might slay the lion or the lion us, yet the worms will feast on both of us, and too the smallest of microbes. Why do you limit yourself to such a narrow vision?

 

[dahermit]

After all it there were other Gods with equal power they would fight among themselves. Nature seems to have solve this problem by only having one dominant creature in his region or time.. Therefore the Lion became the King of the Jungle, Man became the strongest being when he learnt to kill the lion.Survival of the fittest would ensure that there is only one God with supreme power in a particar region or time.

Illogical, there is not just one lion, there is an entire species of lion.
Lucifer, arch angle Michal, etc. Lessor gods?

Theology claims this God reveal himself to man. This can not be prove completely but neither can it be disproved.

Then why do you persist in following the beliefs handed down for two thousand years, stemming from a people who were primitive, superstitious, and ignorant?

 

[dahermit]

Men lessened the numbers of god as they died...

Confusing bumper sticker. So, what does it mean?

YHWH/El rests beside Helios among all of our dead gods

Your hierarchical thinking is ignorant. We might slay the lion or the lion us, yet the worms will feast on both of us, and too the smallest of microbes. Why do you limit yourself to such a narrow vision?

Too abstract. You try too hard to be profound.