Prove that God doesn't exist.

[Zylstra]

Abstract? It's literal, dude. The worms will eat us all. There is no 'top of the foodchain'

If you don't know what it means to say the gods are dead, I suggest you ask a librarian

 

[Dr.Who]

The new nuns were admonished and told not to make the dieing more comfortable, saying: "...thier suffering brings them closer to God...".

Do you have any sources?

 

[PLC1]

Abstract? It's literal, dude. The worms will eat us all. There is no 'top of the foodchain'

If you don't know what it means to say the gods are dead, I suggest you ask a librarian

The worms will eat our bodies when we are finished with them. The worms will not eat our souls.

No, god is not dead.

 

[top gun]

The worms will eat our bodies when we are finished with them. The worms will not eat our souls.

No, god is not dead.

And there's the rub isn't it?

We know the worms will eat our bodies because it's 100% provable without any doubt.

The soul and god... that's a personal belief... a choice... a preferance... a belief in the unknown from a provability standpoint... like do you believe in palm reading & fortune telling or do you think you'll be reincarnated.

 

[samsara15]

I'm going to be cremated, so I don't think the worms will eat my body. If for some reason I am not cremated, then they are welcome to my body, since it will be unusable to me.

As for reincarnation, unless I have a complete memory of this life, whatever is reincarnated will not be me, but merely a clone of me, a copy of me. The same is true of any afterlife that does not include complete memories of this lifetime.

There having been no proof that we have a soul, and no way to demonstrate any immaterial mind-body connection that is not purely physical, I have no reason or evidence to believe that my body is not all there is. That does not rule out the possbility that a soul might exist, only that there is no way to prove that we have any such thing.

Even were it proven that we have a soul, the Christian theories are stil only theories themselves, also unproven and unprovable. Some other religion might still be more on target than the Christian faith.

 

[PLC1]

And there's the rub isn't it?

We know the worms will eat our bodies because it's 100% provable without any doubt.

The soul and god... that's a personal belief... a choice... a preferance... a belief in the unknown from a provability standpoint... like do you believe in palm reading & fortune telling or do you think you'll be reincarnated.

That's correct, it is a choice or a matter of faith that can't be proven. If you choose to believe that our bodies are all there are of humanity, and once we breathe our last, there is no more, then that is also a matter of faith. If you believe that, then it follows that our Earth and the life on it, including humans, is simply the result of a series of cosmic accidents. There is nothing beyond this Earth, except perhaps for some other life forms elsewhere that are also the result of accidents and are not connected to us in any way. It follows then, that there is no purpose to human life, to anything we know. We are nothing more than a bunch of microbes on a dust mote in space, to one day be blown into oblivion, with no one anywhere taking notice.

I find that belief quite chilling, don't you?

 

[samsara15]

No, I find that awe inspiring. it makes us cousin to the boulders, as the old saying went. To image that inert matter can somehow gain sentience, consciousness, and life... That makes matter a lot more interesting to me. Perhaps we underestimate matter. Maybe matter has more soul than we give it credit for having.

 

[PLC1]

No, I find that awe inspiring. it makes us cousin to the boulders, as the old saying went. To image that inert matter can somehow gain sentience, consciousness, and life... That makes matter a lot more interesting to me. Perhaps we underestimate matter. Maybe matter has more soul than we give it credit for having.

Well, if you can believe that inert matter can become a sentient being all on its own, then you don't need to believe in god.

 

[Aus22]

Illogical, there is not just one lion, there is an entire species of lion.
Lucifer, arch angle Michal, etc. Lessor gods?
Then why do you persist in following the beliefs handed down for two thousand years, stemming from a people who were primitive, superstitious, and ignorant?

I am just answering the original statement that there could be many Gods. Philiosophy or History for that matter seems to say at a particular time and place one group is supreme otherwise the leaders would just fight among themselves. God means a supreme being. There can be no equality to surpreme.

I have not given my beliefs so you do not know what they are . However as a historian terms like primitive,supersitious and ignorant to describe people of the past is misleading. Modern man is not necessary less ignorant in all fields of study. Many claim we are more superstitious than men of the past beliving in more impossible things like inevitable progresss etc.

 

[Zylstra]

The worms will eat our bodies when we are finished with them. The worms will not eat our souls.

No, god is not dead.

Define 'soul' and demonstrate its existence. Then demonstrate that worms cannot eat them.

 

[Zylstra]

As for reincarnation, unless I have a complete memory of this life, whatever is reincarnated will not be me, but merely a clone of me, a copy of me. The same is true of any afterlife that does not include complete memories of this lifetime.

1) I take it you're no fan of transporters?

2)define 'complete'. Do you remember when you were three days old? What if you get Alzheimer's?

Even were it proven that we have a soul, the Christian theories are stil only theories themselves, also unproven and unprovable. Some other religion might still be more on target than the Christian faith.

It's not a theory, it's a hypothesis/fairy tale

 

[Zylstra]

It follows then, that there is no purpose to human life, to anything we know. We are nothing more than a bunch of microbes on a dust mote in space, to one day be blown into oblivion, with no one anywhere taking notice.

I find that belief quite chilling, don't you?

Life has whatever purpose and meaning one finds in it.

Since things can only have meaning within one's thoughts and life, the concept of a 'meaning of life' is invalid.

 

[PLC1]

Life has whatever purpose and meaning one finds in it.

Since things can only have meaning within one's thoughts and life, the concept of a 'meaning of life' is invalid.

If it is invalid, then it may as well not exist. If the meaning of life is only what one finds in his own thoughts, it is no more than an entertaining fantasy.

No, I don't buy that. Intelligence does not come from inanimate matter. Intelligence comes from the soul. The meaning of life on Earth is that it is a learning opportunity for the immortal soul. What we learn here, we will be able to apply later on.

Can I prove that we have a soul? Not really, it's just something that we know innately. Can you prove that you exist?

 

[Zylstra]

No, I don't buy that. Intelligence does not come from inanimate matter.

Define 'animate'

Define 'intelligence'; I thought we were discussing consciousness?

Intelligence comes from the soul.

Demonstrate. You've quite a burden of proof if you wish to discredit neurology.

The meaning of life on Earth is that it is a learning opportunity for the immortal soul. What we learn here, we will be able to apply later on.

Demonstrate

Can I prove that we have a soul? Not really,

it's just something that we know innately.

How do you know that?

Can you prove that you exist?

If I did not exist in some form, then I could not ponder the question. Whether you exist, however, is unknowable.

 

[Zylstra]

So, neurology, epistemology, logical positivism...


deep pit you're digging