Prove that God doesn't exist.

Does God exist?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 63 59.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 44 41.5%

  • Total voters
    106
And as for your question 'do you know anyone who god put to hell?' (apart from the childishness of this question) I assume your point is that if I don't know anyone who god has put to hell then it doesn't happen.

I am trying not to laugh but I suppose that in the interests of consistency you would admit that you don't know anyone who god has 'put to heaven' so that doesn't happen either.

Hoist by your own petard is what I believe this is called.
 
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You are possibly one of the thickest people I have ever debated with.

This is very simple, I will type s-l-o-w-l-y.

LMAO.

You finally realized the futility of demonstrating the contradiction between omniscience and omnipotence, eh? And now you're back for more?

You really have a penchant for humiliation.

According to you god made everything including free will and he knew how it would be used.

So far so good?

Yep. Good so far.

OK. good.

He did not have to make the world in a way that millions of people would live a wretched existence and die of disease, famine and war did he?Or go to hell as per the bible?

Yep. He made it so that one can reap the rewards (or pain) of one's own choice. Free will, remember?

No, he could have made it any way.

OK?

Sure he can. He could have made it in a way that you would suffer the consequences of my action. But he didn't. One could clearly see the wisdom of free will -- as it is, no?

But he m,ade it this way in the knowldeg of how it would turn out eschewing other alternatives where the horrors of life don't happn.

Yes, I know.

He could have made it in such a way that you have your free will and yet not suffer its adverse consequence.

And what do you suppose would happen to someone who was somehow shielded from the adverse consequences of his choices, eh?

He can neither know the pain of an evil deed nor the rewards of a good one -- which leads us to the true nature of morality.

A moral action is its own reward just as an evil action is its own punishment.

Capice?

So, it is all down to him.

What???

You have already assumed free will, have you not? What exactly have you said that somehow negated your own premise, eh?

I know that is noty too hard for you to understand.

Of course I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that you are WRONG.

It is just too hard for you to accept cos it makes your god a monster.

Let me get this straight.

Man was given the rational faculty to discern good and evil in his own action and in the action of others.

Man was given revelation, as if the rational faculty was not enough (at least in your case, it is not enough).

Man was given senses to experience pleasure within the boundaries of a moral good.

Man was given an immutable existence, and the free will to choose his own thought and action within that existence.

Man was given absolution for his sins unilaterally -- even sins that he has not committed but is in his nature to commit.

And to top it all off, man was given grace, if and when he is incapable of saving himself, even if that danger comes from himself.

And what exactly does man do with all these -- he uses it to bring misery to himself and his fellow man.

So, who exactly is the monster, eh?
 
And as for your question 'do you know anyone who god put to hell?' (apart from the childishness of this question) I assume your point is that if I don't know anyone who god has put to hell then it doesn't happen.

I do know a lot of people who are experiencing a personal hell of their own making, though.

Is the point clearer now?

I am trying not to laugh but I suppose that in the interests of consistency you would admit that you don't know anyone who god has 'put to heaven' so that doesn't happen either.

I do know a lot of people who experience the rewards of a moral good, though.

Free will -- remember.

Hoist by your own petard is what I believe this is called.

Nope. Its called missing the point by a mile, as morons often do.
 
Oh and as god knows what will happen in the future allegedly the future is fixed so there is no such thing as free will anyway.

Only the appearance of it.

And then if it is fixed god can't change it so he is not omnipotent

Game over

These are unassailable truths and your continued ranting about free will is the ususal desperate stuff from christians who just won't concede that their god is a monster.

Which he isn't

But only because he doesn't exist

But don't worry, I understand that you have to be hard of understanding to believe in god so you will probably repeat your nonesense about free will.
 
You are dense

If god makes 'free will' knowing how 'free will' will be used he is culpable.

What an idiot you are!

You have free will hence YOU ARE CULPABLE, NOT GOD. Foreknowledge by god, or anyone for that matter, does not change this fact.

How many more times must I say this before you give that puny mind of yours leave to comprehend, hmmm?
 
Oh and as god knows what will happen in the future allegedly the future is fixed so there is no such thing as free will anyway.

Only the appearance of it.

And then if it is fixed god can't change it so he is not omnipotent

Game over

These are unassailable truths and your continued ranting about free will is the ususal desperate stuff from christians who just won't concede that their god is a monster.

Which he isn't

But only because he doesn't exist

But don't worry, I understand that you have to be hard of understanding to believe in god so you will probably repeat your nonesense about free will.

LMAO

This post is as helpful to your argument as farting is to the comprehension of special and general relativity.

Reasonable individuals here have already made up their minds about your general ignorance. Frankly, I'm curious as to the extent of humiliation you are willing to accept.

So, tell me -- were does your free will come from, eh?

If there is nothing in the human person but a collection of atoms and molecules happily going about their deterministic way as dictated by natural law, how in heavens name is it capable of choice?
 
Well that is a good question and you could argue that there is no free will.

And if god made the world knowing how it would turn out there cannot be free will as the future has to be fixed to be knowable.

I have explained that to you many times and you have not been able to successfully dispute that.

There are even quite a lot of christians (Calvinists for example) who believe in predestination which is the opposite of free will.

But in any event.

Whatever free will is, god made it and he made ity in the knowledge of how it would be used an by any normal standartd that makes him responsible.

So, for god to know the future it has to be unchangeable which = no free will and no omnipotence.

If god does not know the future he is not omniscient

And if there is free will god is responsible for how it is used.

Not very good for god is it?
 
Well that is a good question and you could argue that there is no free will.

LMAO.

There's a headline for you.

THE VERY FOUNDATIONS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION'S PHILOSOPHICAL AND POLITICAL THOUGHT DOES NOT EXIST????!!!!

LMAO some more.
 
Look, just because you have accepted as your lord and saviour someone who doesn't exist, who could not possibly exist in the guise depicted by christians and who, if they did exist would be a monster doesn't mean that your life is wasted.

Stop believing in this nonesense and you will feel a huge weight lifted from you.

I was brainwashed as a child to believe in all that crap in the bible and then when I got old enough to make my own mind up I put away childish things and have never looked back.

The truth beats the **** out of superstition.

Try it, you might like it.

Otherwise you will be singing songs to someone in the sky every Sunday until you die.

What a waste of life.
 
And just think, you won't have to defend the bible with ridiculous points about some of it being literal and some not with no justification at all for being able to tell which bits are which.

(Note, the bits that suddenly become allegorical are those that science has recently debunked).

Soon the whole ****ing book will be allegorical and everyone will have an intrepretation which suits their needs for that moment be it going to war or just hating thy neighbour.

Imagine how great it would be to chuck the stupid book in the bin.

You will feel liberated.

Go, try it.

And no, I am not a talking snake.

Do you believe in talking snakes?
 
Soon the whole ****ing book will be allegorical and everyone will have an intrepretation which suits their needs for that moment be it going to war or just hating thy neighbour.

You know, not all Christianity is bad. The two churches in the town I grew up in (tons of Irish in town so we had a large Catholic church along with the near-obligatory Protestant church) did plenty of good things - food drives, clothing drives, donations of money and time to homeless shelters in the area, and participation in a mission that built homes in poverty-stricken areas of Kentucky.
 
Oh yes, the good-doing RC church, the one that burned 800,000 men, women and children across Europe fopr the crimes of being eccentric, owning stuff their denouncers wanted, thinking the wrong thoughts.

Then there is the Pope telling the AIDS ravaged population of Africa that condoms are evil.

What about the refusal of the Pope to condemn his paedophile priets?

Then there is the massive wealth of the RC church taken from the poor.

I see what you mean.

They are a great bunch
 
I was brainwashed as a child to believe in all that crap in the bible

Blame your mother or whoever taught you, not God. Maybe she didn't know that one is supposed to use their own mind in this life and not wait for the bible to tell you which foot to put first.
Sad.
 
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