Obamaconomy!!!

Simply put The Bush Recession (the worst economic downturn since the great depression) was a bad one.



You are STILL wrong that it is the worst recession since the great depression.

Based on duration alone which is not a measure of "worst":

Below are the top 10 worst recessions of the last 80 years ranked by official duration.

1. 1929-1933, 43 months in duration (Great depression).
2. 1981-1982, 16 months in duration.
3. 1973-1975, 16 months in duration.
4. 1937-1938, 13 months in duration.
5. 1926-1927, 13 months in duration.
6. 2007-2008, 12 months in duration.*
7. 1970, 11 months in duration.
8. 1948-1949, 11 months in duration.
9. 1960-1961, 10 months in duration.
10. 1953-1954, 10 months in duration.

There have been 4 recessions since the great depression that have been worse than this one was when that statement was first coined. As far as I know this one has still not gotten worse than it was when that "lie" was first spoken. If you really want to know which was worse and not just longest then look up the data on employment or the misery index, etc.

"The economic recession that officially began in December 2007 is officially the second worst in American history since the end of the 1960s, [not since the great depression] according to a new white paper from NAI Global Chief Economist Dr. Peter Linneman. [] The recession of the early 1970s is atop the list as the “Worst Ever” U.S. Recession"

This evidence is irrefutable and official. You have seen it before and yet you continue to say this is the worst recession since the great depression. Continuing to state what has been demonstrated to be wrong would make what you say not just wrong but also a lie on your part too.

Recessions go through natural cycles occurring two years in every eleven. P. Bush beat the odds by only having one year of recession at the end of 8 years. But you would not give credit for 7 good years would you?

Recessions also tend to end in two years. so when this one ends there will be a correllation between its end and the P. Obama administration but what will not be shown is causation.

Now if you do want to use duration as a measure of how bad a recession is then consider that the actions of the Obama administration were stated by the administration as being taken to spread the misery of the recession over a longer period of time. The pres intentionally made it longer so it would not be so severe.

So how will you measure it? In terms of length in which case Obama is directly responsible by his own admission for making it longer. Or in terms of other measures that actually measure how bad it is in which case there still have been several with more severe indices.
 
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You offered zero citation material... not even a conceptual graph to support your claims. Try to back up your statements with facts or avoid talking smack all together.


You're so funny. but here.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/ftdpress.txt

The U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of
Economic Analysis, through the Department of
Commerce, announced today that total May exports of
$123.3 billion and imports of $149.3 billion resulted in a
goods and services deficit of $26.0 billion, down from
$28.8 billion in April, revised. May exports were $1.9
billon more than April exports of $121.4 billion. May
imports were $0.9 billion less than April imports of
$150.2 billion.
so the deficit was reduced by 3.3 billion, that I like to call "an upswing".



see that tiny little blue bit that's headed up on the very end? That's sales / exports of products and services.



Again we see it dropping, for the first time since summer of last year (hey wait...weren't we under BUSH then? why is this suddenly Obama's fault) ^[1]

[1]http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/07/trade-deficit-declined-in-may.html
 
LOL, OMFG, is this guy serious?

goods and services deficit

Thats the trade deficit, not the federal deficit.

so the deficit was reduced by 3.3 billion

Thats the trade deficit, not the federal deficit.

Trade deficits are expected to shrink during recessions.

I suppose now you are going to claim you were talking about the trade deficit all along, since there is ZERO chance of you finding evidence that the federal deficit is being reduced outside of inflation.
 
Todays's news Aug 11, 2009:

Energy prices slumped Tuesday on a Labor Department report that suggested consumer spending, a major economic driver, may be depressed for some time as companies cut back.

Benchmark crude for September delivery fell $1.15 to settle at $69.45 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was the fourth straight day of declines and the first time this month that the price for crude dipped below $69.

Oil prices have ended the week higher for five straight weeks, a period that coincides with earnings reports from U.S. companies. The results appeared surprisingly healthy, which gave energy prices a boost on the belief that the recession has loosened its grip.

While that may be true, data from the Labor Department Tuesday again showed that company profits were in many cases buoyed by less spending on employee pay.


Let me simplify the facts presented above:

1) Company profits are now based on eliminating employees or reducing pay.
2) Jobs are disappearing now.
3) Consumer spending is getting weak.
4) Oil prices have risen 5 straight weeks.

Nothing good here, it's just the regular Obama CHANGE!
 
It gettin bad out there. Keep in mind 500K new jobless claims/month is bad news!
No spin her, just the facts!

The Labor Department said Thursday that new claims for unemployment insurance dropped last week to a seasonally adjusted 521,000, better than analysts expected and down from 554,000 the previous week.

The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, fell to 539,750, the lowest since Jan. 17. The number of people continuing to claim benefits declined by 72,000 to 6.04 million. Analysts expected continuing claims to rise slightly.

Bad is bad, less bad is bad and this isn't the whole story!
 
It gettin bad out there. Keep in mind 500K new jobless claims/month is bad news!
No spin her, just the facts!

The Labor Department said Thursday that new claims for unemployment insurance dropped last week to a seasonally adjusted 521,000, better than analysts expected and down from 554,000 the previous week.

The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, fell to 539,750, the lowest since Jan. 17. The number of people continuing to claim benefits declined by 72,000 to 6.04 million. Analysts expected continuing claims to rise slightly.

Bad is bad, less bad is bad and this isn't the whole story!
So....how-much-longer will we have to wait, for those BUSH TAX-CUTS to start creating allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll o' those JOBS he'd promised??????

Time appears to be running-out.

:rolleyes:
 
U.S. Q3 Growth Seen $trongest In 2 Years

"The U.S. economy likely grew at its strongest rate in two years during the third quarter, rebounding from a steep downturn that began in December 2007, according to survey of top economists released on Saturday.

A forecast for a 2.4 percent growth rate in the fourth quarter was unchanged from last month mostly due to economists' belief that the 'cash for clunkers' incentive program, which expired in August, pulled demand for vehicles forward into the third quarter, the survey showed.

The panelists expect the workweek will lengthen and employment will begin growing again in the first half of 2010http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Economy/idUSTRE5990GA20091010, lifting the pace of growth in personal income and consumer spending."

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Yep, gained another percentage point on gold overnight and lost about 3/4's of a point on the dollar as well. The spot price on oil's gone up accordingly. Here's a chart covering from mid-August of 2007 to present day:

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The fear is that we'll eventually punch through the resistance at ~72. Our recent monetary policies have assured that we should, but the DX (Dollar Index) is calculated against a basket of currencies that have also engaged in QE (Quantitative Easing, or "printing money"). That's kept it from appearing to fall as much as it has to a point. Other countries are beginning to raise interest rates so they're intending to slow their dives. Here, it's perceived that we can't. As such, that number might fall a lot more. If it does, it's going to have significant consequences for the US. A lot of analysts believe that if it punches through the ~72 barrier, it could proceed down as far as ~40.

On the one hand, that'd mean the cost of cheap foreign goods and oil would rise accordingly. On the other, it'd mean that our produced goods would be a lot cheaper to countries holding large amounts of our dollars. Hard to say how that'd play out but in the short term, it'd probably be a heckuva' slap to households and cause a lot more bankruptcies.

It (the DX) will probably bubble up again today as it does every day. It can even bounce all over the place, but in the long haul, the trend is clearly downward. Gold and oil prices will bounce as well.
 
It gettin bad out there. Keep in mind 500K new jobless claims/month is bad news!
No spin her, just the facts!

The Labor Department said Thursday that new claims for unemployment insurance dropped last week to a seasonally adjusted 521,000, better than analysts expected and down from 554,000 the previous week.

The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, fell to 539,750, the lowest since Jan. 17. The number of people continuing to claim benefits declined by 72,000 to 6.04 million. Analysts expected continuing claims to rise slightly.

Bad is bad, less bad is bad and this isn't the whole story!
 
So, does any of this concern our President, who keeps on pushing this health care agenda, and cap and trade?

I wonder.....


Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euroBy PAUL THARP

Last Updated: 3:16 AM, October 13, 2009

Posted: 1:44 AM, October 13, 2009

Ben Bernanke's dollar crisis went into a wider mode yesterday as the greenback was shockingly upstaged by the euro and yen, both of which can lay claim to the world title as the currency favored by central banks as their reserve currency.<p>
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Over the last three months, banks put 63 percent of their new cash into euros and yen -- not the greenbacks -- a nearly complete reversal of the dollar's onetime dominance for reserves, according to Barclays Capital. The dollar's share of new cash in the central banks was down to 37 percent -- compared with two-thirds a decade ago.<p>
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Currently, dollars account for about 62 percent of the currency reserve at central banks -- the lowest on record, said the International Monetary Fund.<p>
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Bernanke could go down in economic history as the man who killed the greenback on the operating table.<p>
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After printing up trillions of new dollars and new bonds to stimulate the US economy, the Federal Reserve chief is now boxed into a corner battling two separate monsters that could devour the economy -- ravenous inflation on one hand, and a perilous recession on the other.<p>
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"He's in a crisis worse than the meltdown ever was," said Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital. "I fear that he could be the Fed chairman who brought down the whole thing."<p>
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Investors and central banks are snubbing dollars because the greenback is kept too weak by zero interest rates and a flood of greenbacks in the global economy.<p>
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They grumble that they've loaned the US record amounts to cover its mounting debt, but are getting paid back by a currency that's worth 10 percent less in the past three months alone. In a decade, it's down nearly one-third.<p>
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Yesterday, the dollar had a mixed performance, falling slightly against the British pound to $1.5801 from $1.5846 Friday, but rising against the euro to $1.4779 from $1.4709 and against the yen to 89.85 yen from 89.78.<p>
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Economists believe the market rebellion against the dollar will spread until Bernanke starts raising interest rates from around zero to the high single digits, and pulls back the flood of currency spewed from US printing presses.<p>
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"That's a cure, but it's also going to stifle any US economic growth," said Schiff. "The economy is addicted to the cheap interest and liquidity."<p>
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Economists warn that a jump in rates will clobber stocks and cripple the already stalled housing market.<p>
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"Bernanke's other choice is to keep rates at zero, print even more money and sell more debt, but we'll see triple-digit inflation that could collapse the economy as we know it.<p>
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"The stimulus is what's toxic -- we're poisoning ourselves and the global economy with it."<p>
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rss Ben Bernanke's dollar crisis went into a wider mode yesterday as the greenback was shockingly upstaged by the euro and yen, both of which can lay claim to the world title as the currency favored by central banks as their reserve currency.

Over the last three months, banks put 63 percent of their new cash into euros and yen -- not the greenbacks -- a nearly complete reversal of the dollar's onetime dominance for reserves, according to Barclays Capital. The dollar's share of new cash in the central banks was down to 37 percent -- compared with two-thirds a decade ago.


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Fed boss Ben Bernanke may be forced to raise rates in order to restore faith in the dollar — and help bring the euro and the yen back to earth.
Currently, dollars account for about 62 percent of the currency reserve at central banks -- the lowest on record, said the International Monetary Fund.

Bernanke could go down in economic history as the man who killed the greenback on the operating table.

After printing up trillions of new dollars and new bonds to stimulate the US economy, the Federal Reserve chief is now boxed into a corner battling two separate monsters that could devour the economy -- ravenous inflation on one hand, and a perilous recession on the other.

"He's in a crisis worse than the meltdown ever was," said Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital. "I fear that he could be the Fed chairman who brought down the whole thing."

Investors and central banks are snubbing dollars because the greenback is kept too weak by zero interest rates and a flood of greenbacks in the global economy.

They grumble that they've loaned the US record amounts to cover its mounting debt, but are getting paid back by a currency that's worth 10 percent less in the past three months alone. In a decade, it's down nearly one-third.

Yesterday, the dollar had a mixed performance, falling slightly against the British pound to $1.5801 from $1.5846 Friday, but rising against the euro to $1.4779 from $1.4709 and against the yen to 89.85 yen from 89.78.

Economists believe the market rebellion against the dollar will spread until Bernanke starts raising interest rates from around zero to the high single digits, and pulls back the flood of currency spewed from US printing presses.

"That's a cure, but it's also going to stifle any US economic growth," said Schiff. "The economy is addicted to the cheap interest and liquidity."

Economists warn that a jump in rates will clobber stocks and cripple the already stalled housing market.

"Bernanke's other choice is to keep rates at zero, print even more money and sell more debt, but we'll see triple-digit inflation that could collapse the economy as we know it.

"The stimulus is what's toxic -- we're poisoning ourselves and the global economy with it."
 
No, you can't blame that one on Obama or Bush, either one. The Fed has been calling the shots (even without Congressionally legislated authority to do so) for many years now. In this sense, the presidents are only figureheads--someone else is behind the bulk of this. It's really pretty uninformed to blame them for all the stuff that the folks on either side of the political aisle on this board like to lay on them. There's no way that Bush or Obama either one have a tenth of the knowledge and IQ necessary to be responsible for the truly heavy stuff that's been going on. Neither one of them are mathematicians.

Don't get me wrong... a non-mathematician can certainly screw things up badly, but not like it has been--those were real pros. Greedy, but pros.
 
I didn't blame it on anyoneone. I just don't understand, that with what's happening with the dollar and our economy, how Obama keeps on planning to spend trillions and trillions.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I think Obama's got his faults... but he's a figurehead. There's a much greater bunch behind him with a plan that involves our impovershment. It is necessitated by Peak Oil. Don't worry about the spending, because there won't be enough money to do those things anyhow. Haven't you read about the very significant and widespread shortfalls in tax receipts and revenues? The only way you can spend is with fungible accounts, and the rest of the world that buys our Treasuries is getting sick of our recent monetary policy. It's patently obvious to any savvy investor that the Fed's buying Treasuries through the back door by way of the POMO and stuff like that besides the more overt methods. And artificially trying to keep interest rates low for far too long. Sovereigns from time immemorial have attempted to inflate (= debase their currencies) their way out of debt that they couldn't pay and this time won't be any different. And if one cannot pay with cash, there's always the hot lead/cold steel/blood option. Sovereigns have done that before, too.
 
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