Obamaconomy!!!

Pidgey - Interesting and I don't doubt you are right, although it's hard to decipher that.


What I see and understand however is the corrupt reporting of news by the Obama media. They like to exaggerate facts or lie when they know otherwise and they hide the reality of
a broken US economy. There is no recovery as far as real sales and jobs go.

Even today they report unemployment is down, but what they fail to disclose the possible reasons. Hundreds of thousands of people, some discouraged by their failed job searches, left the labor force. The labor force includes only those who are either employed or are looking for work.

When the economy is healthy, employers need to add a net total of around 125,000 jobs a month just to keep the unemployment rate stable.
 
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I would like to thank you for the factual charts, etc. that you post.

This one I get but I have to admit sometimes I don't see the import of some of what you post. I wonder if there are others out there who are not getting all of it? Do you think that maybe you could add an explanation of what it means for those of us who are not as sharp in figuring these things out?
Usually I don't post a full explanation due to time constraints, hoping that folks will simply ask questions if they don't understand. Alas... I think that pride gets in the way of folks asking sometimes.

In any case, explaining Treasury auctions and Open Market Operations (OMO) isn't the easiest thing to do, mostly because of the assumptions and simplifications that most people make about money in the first place. As simple as this sounds, I've come to the conclusion that most people actually believe that The Rich have a lot of money, and we're talking the liquid kind. It's inconceivable to most people that The Rich could be as broke as them, just on a far larger scale. Yes, there's an accumulation of capital, but that doesn't have to mean that it's fungible or that there's not a note on it.

Take Russia during the revolution--The Poor probably really thought they were going to BE rich as soon as they killed or otherwise subjugated The Rich and took possession of their stuff. They were THAT STUPID. And then they... died... like... flies. Why? Their own inability to control and balance anything of their own economy. They NEVER understood that their own class envy was being used by some truly rotten folks to take over the whole country. Of course, in the end, the middle-management killers themselves became the victims just as in the French Revolution. And then the purges of Stalin. When enough millions had died to rebalance resource and productivity with population, things stabilized to the casual non-Russian observer viewing from outside the fences.

Back to the Treasury auction results and the Federal Reserve POMO (Permanent Open Market Operations) page... uhh... where to start? In these particular circumstances, the government hasn't been collecting enough tax receipts and revenues to actually pay all of the payables. Therefore, the Treasury has been stuck selling bonds to make up the difference. They're literally asking investors with liquidity to write them a real check from an account with "live" funds for which they'll issue a promisory note that pays a coupon (interest). Now, it's not just any investor that's going to bid on those--it's going to be a much higher class than somebody wanting to get a $5,000 CD paying 3.75%. I don't want to get into "Primary Dealers" and all of that, though...

Anyhow, it's not a good thing when nobody will buy your debt. That is, when nobody will give you a loan to carry you through until payday. The government DOES have to make timely payouts of real funds to folks on Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense and a bunch of other stuff. Those first four items took up nearly two thirds of the $2.8 trillion per year budget. Try to imagine what would happen if a slew of Social Security checks did NOT go out at all... ever again. Not pretty. VERY not pretty. So, they've been selling a lot of debt, which is to say that they've been asking for an awful lot of loans.

So many here would say in one (often rude) way or another: just tax the rich! In point of fact, you're not really taxing The Rich... you're taxing profitable activities. The bulk of The Rich's money is invested in companies that we're all employees of or connected to in some other fashion economically. So... what really happens when you tax The Rich is that the added cost just goes into the cost buildup for the items that the profitable activities are producing, which naturally gets passed on to all consumers one way or another. Dammit.

In any case, we've been relying on China, Japan, Russia, Oil States and a few others to "buy" our public debt for awhile now. They've been doing it for a few reasons, not the least of which is to keep the system from crashing. They are, however, getting to the point where their faith in the system continuing ad nauseum is wearing a bit thin. As such, there has been less and less interest in our public debt auctions. The "Bid-to-Cover" is in its own way an indicator of that, but it's still not an easy thing to understand for most folks. Anyhow, the 5-year note auction the day before was a true failure which might have caused further auction failures due to a loss of confidence on the part of investors. That would have been very, VERY bad. So... the Fed must have made a deal with the Primary Dealers to basically bid for about $5 billion worth of the issue that can be seen through those two documents, and the fact that it was done steathily threw off the worried watchers--"All is Well!"

If the Fed buys treasuries, it's essentially printing money and increasing the money supply without an accompanying increase of capital to back it up with. This dilutes the value or "debases" a currency with respect to other currencies and usually causes a concurrent increase in the price of imported goods or services. Actually, most nations within our current global economic system have been applying "quantitative easing" in some kind of balance and that's why you haven't been seeing things REALLY blow up yet. Except in Zimbabwe, which has been an experiment in turbo-charged money printing. Argentina has been another interesting failure.
 
Wall Street cheered by upbeat jobs report
Economy sheds fewer jobs than expected in July; jobless rate dips
Aug 7, 2009

Market update
Index Last Change % change
• DJIA 9370.07 +113.81 +1.23%
• NASDAQ 2000.25 +27.09 +1.37%
• S&P 500 1010.48 +13.40 +1.34%


President Barack Obama told the nation Friday that the "worst may be behind us" on the recession after the unemployment rate dipped for the first time in 15 months.

The surprise figures injected new life in a monthlong rally and provided validation for traders who have been betting since March that the economy is healing. The Dow Jones industrial average rose 114 points to cap its fourth straight weekly gain. The Dow is at its highest level since early November.

The government said employers shed 247,000 jobs in July, the fewest in a year. Economists had expected 320,000 lost jobs. The unemployment rate dropped to 9.4 percent from 9.5 percent in June, rather than rising to 9.6 percent as forecast.

"It really gave the market the proof that it needed to see," said Burt White, chief investment officer at LPL Financial in Boston.

The report is often the most anticipated bit of economic news each month on Wall Street and nervousness about what it would reveal held stocks to modest moves most of the week. The exception came Monday when Ford Motor Co. said its monthly sales rose for the first time in nearly two years because the government's cash for clunkers program was drawing customers. That, and good news about manufacturing, construction and banking, sent the Standard & Poor's 500 index over 1,000 for the first time in nine months.

With the pop Friday, the S&P 500 index is up 14.9 percent in only four weeks and 49.4 percent from a 12-year low in early March.

The Dow rose 113.81, or 1.2 percent, to 9,370.07. The broader S&P 500 index gained 13.40, or 1.3 percent, to 1,010.48, while the Nasdaq composite index rose 27.09, or 1.4 percent, to 2,000.25.

About 2,300 stocks rose on the New York Stock Exchange, while about 700 fell. Consolidated volume rose to 7 billion shares from 6.8 billion Thursday.

For the week, the Dow added 2.2 percent, the S&P 500 index rose 2.3 percent and the Nasdaq rose 1.1 percent.

Meanwhile, bond prices fell as the jobs reading limited demand for the safety of government debt. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, rose to 3.86 percent from 3.76 percent late Thursday.

Financial and retail stocks rallied Friday along with the broader market.

Insurer American International Group Inc. posted its first quarterly profit since 2007. The insurance giant, which is now majority owned by the government, rose $4.61, or 20.5 percent, to $27.14.

The jump in retail stocks came a day after many posted lackluster July sales. A drop in unemployment could make consumers feel more confident about making purchases, which could help the recovery along. Their spending accounts for more than two-thirds of U.S. economic activity. Macy's Inc. rose 98 cents, or 6.5 percent, to $15.99.

On other days, selling has been contained because investors don't want to miss a rally that has surprised many traders with its strength. On Wednesday, the Dow fell only 39 points but it was the biggest drop in a month.

Investors will be looking for more insight into the economy when the Fed's interest-rate committee concludes a two-day meeting on Wednesday. It is unclear when policymakers will decide the economy is strong enough to handle rate hikes that will be needed to keep inflation in check.

Light, sweet crude fell $1.01 to settle $70.93 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies rose 14.78, or 2.7 percent, to 572.40.

The dollar mostly rose against other major currencies, while gold prices advanced.
 
Aug 7, 2009
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Consumer credit fell in June for the fifth straight month, as widespread unemployment curbed spending, a government report said Friday.

Total consumer borrowing sank a seasonally adjusted $10.3 billion, or 4.9%, to $2.503 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve. The report measures how much debt consumers have outstanding.

Economists predicted a decline in total borrowing of $5 billion in June, according to a consensus survey from Briefing.com.

The reduced borrowing comes as the economy sheds jobs by the thousands, and mass layoffs and pay cuts have limited consumer spending power. At the same time, banks have tightened lending standards due to growing concerns about default risk.


Q: What does this mean?
A: More job losses are coming soon as this was twice as bad as expected.

It's called change and it is the plan of Obama.
Destroying hope by eliminating jobs.
 
Index adds to good economic signs
August 04 2009

The Standard & Poor's 500 index hit four digits again.
The widely-used stock market measure broke above 1,000 for the first time in nine months as reports on manufacturing, housing and banking sent investors more signals that the economy is gathering strength.
The index is used as a benchmark for many mutual funds.
Indexes all rose more than 1%, including the Dow Jones industrial average, which climbed 115 points.
The Dow rose 114.95, or 1.3%, to 9,286.56. The S&P 500 index rose 15.15, or 1.5%, to 1,002.63. It was the first finish above 1,000 since early November.
The Nasdaq composite index rose 30.11, or 1.5%, to 2,008.61, its first close above 2,000 since October.
The market's July rally blew into August on the type of news that might have seemed unthinkable when stocks fell to 12-year lows in early March.
A report predicted US manufacturing activity will grow next month, the American government said construction spending rose in June, and Ford said its sales rose last month for the first time in nearly two years.
The day's reports were the latest indications that the recession that began in December 2007 could be retreating.
Hope of a recovery, based on better corporate earnings reports and economic data, propelled the Dow Jones industrial average 725 points in July to its best month in nearly seven years, restarting the spring rally that stalled in June.

Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2009, All Rights Reserved.
 
Wall Street cheered by upbeat jobs report
Economy sheds fe [] anies rose 14.78, or 2.7 percent, to 572.40.

The dollar mostly rose against other major currencies, while gold prices advanced.

The worst may be behind us, or maybe not.

And those things just might be examples of an improving economy.

Are you saying that President Obama is responsible for the improvement and that we can now all start calling this his economy and not Bush's?

At some point we need to start acknowledging that the good and the bad that will happen are less the result of the last admin and more the result of the present. Have we reached that point yet?
 
The worst may be behind us, or maybe not.

And those things just might be examples of an improving economy.

Are you saying that President Obama is responsible for the improvement and that we can now all start calling this his economy and not Bush's?

At some point we need to start acknowledging that the good and the bad that will happen are less the result of the last admin and more the result of the present. Have we reached that point yet?



The debt increase is still spiraling pretty hard, but the deficit has had an upswing (reduction in deficit, technically a downswing, but that implies negative connotation, so I'll stick to saying up) The impact of previous administrations economic (bad) decisions will last for a good long while. The deficit can be fixed up rather quickly by the current admin.
 
The worst may be behind us, or maybe not.

And those things just might be examples of an improving economy.

Are you saying that President Obama is responsible for the improvement and that we can now all start calling this his economy and not Bush's?

At some point we need to start acknowledging that the good and the bad that will happen are less the result of the last admin and more the result of the present. Have we reached that point yet?

If the economy comes out of The Bush Recession (which by the way I've now for the first time been hearing independent talk by experts that think it soon technically we will be out of Recession) then we came out during President Obama's program.

If we don't come out and worsen then President Obama's programs did not help at all.

Guess which way I'm bettin'?:)

Autumn to bring economic recovery along:
Gail Fosler
Published on Fri, Jul 24, 2009
Source : CNBC-TV18

U.S. Economic Recovery

The Conference Board's leading economic index is one of the key tools used to forecast the trajectory of the US economy. With the index rising for the third straight month in June, is the recession losing steam? Speaking exclusively to CNBC-TV18, Gail Fosler, President of the Conference Board commented on how different the current economic conditions in the US are from those back in March.

“March was actually the point of maximum stress both with the US and the global economy. I think we are beginning to stabilise in terms of the economic decline but I think it is very important that we not over state either the likely strength of the recovery or how good it is going to make us feel,” she said.

Confident that the recovery would start in autumn this year, Fosler said, “Looking at the economy, something which was very striking in both Q4 and Q1 is that the business sector reacted to the financial crisis as if the world was going to come to an end. This lead to the cuts in inventory and investment, the pressure to increase working capital and consumer spending declines, which were really quite chilling. It was a shock effect to a crisis. That shock is over and I think we see inventory stabilize in most of the dynamics in this early phase of seeing very modest gross domestic product (GDP) growth, will be a stabilisation and a slightly improvement in what is been excessive inventory and investment reductions.”


 
On Monday August 10, 2009, 10:03 am EDT from Liberal Press


NEW YORK (Reuters) - A gauge of the U.S. job market remained unchanged in July for the third straight month, indicating that employment will remain weak throughout the coming year, a research group said on Monday.

The Conference Board, a private research group, said its Employment Trends Index was steady at 88.3 in July, the same level it read for the gauge's May and June revised figures.

The index is now down 20.1 percent from a year ago, according to the group.

"This suggests that we are getting closer to the point when employers are no longer cutting their workforce," said Gad Levanon, senior economist at The Conference Board.

"However, since we are expecting a weak economic recovery, and given the record number of involuntary part-time workers -- many of whom are likely to move to full-time positions before new employees are hired.


Let's simplify this news by stating the facts.

There is 0% improvement in the job market.
There will be no new jobs in next few years.
Many people are working partime jobs currently to make the number look better than they really are!
This is what wasteful pork spending by Obama has wrought!
It's called CHANGE!
 
Asur, surely by now you know that statistics are only "facts" to Obama-ites when they support their view.
 
On Monday August 10, 2009, 10:03 am EDT from Liberal Press


NEW YORK (Reuters) - A gauge of the U.S. job market remained unchanged in July for the third straight month, indicating that employment will remain weak throughout the coming year, a research group said on Monday.

The Conference Board, a private research group, said its Employment Trends Index was steady at 88.3 in July, the same level it read for the gauge's May and June revised figures.

The index is now down 20.1 percent from a year ago, according to the group.

"This suggests that we are getting closer to the point when employers are no longer cutting their workforce," said Gad Levanon, senior economist at The Conference Board.

"However, since we are expecting a weak economic recovery, and given the record number of involuntary part-time workers -- many of whom are likely to move to full-time positions before new employees are hired.


Let's simplify this news by stating the facts.

There is 0% improvement in the job market.
There will be no new jobs in next few years.
Many people are working partime jobs currently to make the number look better than they really are!
This is what wasteful pork spending by Obama has wrought!
It's called CHANGE!

Simply put The Bush Recession (the worst economic downturn since the great depression) was a bad one.

First you half to stop the snowball from rolling down the hill ever faster and then you start to push it back up to the top. You've already had this pointed out to you... but it explains why you only speak of job growth. Because you know that's always the last to come. So it gives you the most smear time.

But smears won't win you anything for you as you have already seen.

Jobs ALWAYS lag behind a recession because everything else has to stabilize BEFORE companies increase workforce size. But the stabilization is happening now and only a small bit of the Stimulus money is in play so this is a GREAT begging.

By the end of 2010 all I can say is I hope you live on the ground floor. Because the economy will be humming along so good you and your "America must fail so I can win strategy" will be so broken that you'll be looking for a window to jump out of!:D


 
The deficit can be fixed up rather quickly by the current admin.
"Citations please? Real citations, not [leftwing] spin please. Fact check orgs would be nice."

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Photobucket is not a citable source. I don't even know what this image is of, I assume some sort of debt or something, but it isn't really labeled nor on its original source.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brie...xes-budget/images/taxes_budget_longterm_2.gif

This on the other hand DOES have some context. That being the pessimistic scenario also known as "worst case scenario" This isn't exactly "fact" as it is a "if crap goes REALLY bad, this is what COULD happen," If you notice revenues flat lines, this is quite unrealistic, but that's not a concern when dealing with extreme scenarios such as this. TPC is a pretty decent source, but you really can't use this image for anything due its conceptual nature. Also, try all together to avoid using images as citation material, full articles are much nicer.

http://www.boom2bust.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/debt-star1.jpg

Don't have much to say about this as a source, so I'll try asomething you might understand;
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Photobucket is not a citable source.
So you have no citations to support your claim that the deficit can be "fixed up" by the current administration?

I'm not surprised... :rolleyes:

Rather than even try to support your unfounded claims, you choose to attack my sources, when you provided none, simply because they fly in the face of your unsubstantiated remarks.

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Projected Deficit

In the first independent analysis, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that President Obama's budget would rack up massive deficits even after the economy recovers, forcing the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade.
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CBO in the graph stands for "Congressional Budget Office", which is the source of the graph but its been used extensively by many other sources.

That being the pessimistic scenario also known as "worst case scenario" This isn't exactly "fact" as it is a "if crap goes REALLY bad, this is what COULD happen,"
That too was a CBO graph, as its clearly labeled, just as the other one with CBO written right there on it... despite being re-hosted at Photobucket. If history is any teacher, we know the CBO is generous in their "worst case scenarios" as they tend to underestimate the amount of spending politicians can do between elections.

Also, try all together to avoid using images as citation material, full articles are much nicer.
You offered zero citation material... not even a conceptual graph to support your claims. Try to back up your statements with facts or avoid talking smack all together.
 
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So you have no citations to support your claim that the deficit can be "fixed up" by the current administration?

I'm not surprised... :rolleyes:
<Yaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn..... :rolleyes: >

We've been here, before; i.e. a Bush Economic-Debacle.​

"Clinton thought he was inheriting a $360 billion federal budget deficit when it was in fact twice as much. He thought he was inheriting a nation with a $5.6 trillion debt and it turns out to be a $14 trillion debt.

By April he had learned of the Grand Bushonian Fraud -- how the Bush Cabal denuded the Social Security General Trust Fund and 43 other public trust funds out of $5 trillion and then stuffed them full of worthless non-marketable US Treasury securities."

"Not only was the entire national deficit eliminated after raising taxes on the wealthy in 1993, but the economy grew so fa$t for the remainder of the decade that many conservative economists thought that the Fed should raise the prime interest rate in order to slow it down."

As more of the $tim-Buck$ are spent....combined with the auto-death of Bushco's Tax-Cuts (in 2010)....by this time, next year, even Republicans will be dropping-to-their-knees, Thanking God for Barack Obama!!!

The ONLY thing that could (possibly) screw this whole thing up, would be if there was a sitting Republican-President...and, it'll be a good, 7+ years, before THAT happens.​
 
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