Michele Bachmann officially leaves her church

Sorry to disapoint you, but I know quite a few practicing Catholics who have voted for Obama and still plan on voting for him!

I am not a "practicing Catholic," and neither is my husband, be we still support Obama.

Once and for all. . .Pro-CHOICE is NOT Pro-abortion.

And Pro-life is a misnomer, as many "pro-life" people are also proponent of death penalty, wars, and not especially supportive of universal health care, or education funding. . . which is kind of a hypocritical stand!

It is no less a misnomer than "Pro-Choice" advocates who ignore any "choices" that the father or the baby might have.

Further, education funding does not relate to your right to "life", and in death penalty cases one forfeits their rights after committing (and being found guilty of) murder in such a case.

I would think that ANYONE who argues for smaller governemental involvement in people's life would appreciate that Obama prefers to live it to people to make those life changing decisions!

It is the declared role of government to protect our rights...the most noteworthy being the right to life. If that right is not protected, none of the other rights really matter.

He certainly is not pushing ANYONE to have an abortion!

And that is good.
 
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Would religion play at all in a person's choice for an American president? Unless, of course, the candidate was hoping to make America a theocracy?

I think unfortunately it would play a role for a number of people...but I think for the vast majority of people, religion will be a minor issue, if any issue at all.
 
I am a practicing Catholic, and given my options, I would choose the Mormon. That said, I know many Catholics who are not single issue voters (ie abortion) and make up their minds based on other issues.

As well they should. Why would abortion be an issue at all when voting for a president? He can't do anything about that issue one way or another anyway.

I'd pick the Mormon, too.

If Bachmann gets the nomination, it's going to be a really tough choice. Which is really the lesser evil?
 
As well they should. Why would abortion be an issue at all when voting for a president? He can't do anything about that issue one way or another anyway.

I'd pick the Mormon, too.

If Bachmann gets the nomination, it's going to be a really tough choice. Which is really the lesser evil?

I agree. And I would pick Romney also (religion is absolutely not an issue with me, except for extreme intolerance. . .which is not necessarely related to religion, but is more a state of mind anyway!).

Bachman sounds like a hypocrite to me, AND an extremist.

I must say that, If I had only two choices, between Bachman and Palin, I think I would pick (God forgive me!) Palin. . .she may not be the brightest light in the room, but at least she is not hypocrite, she is just silly and greedy!

Abortion has always existed, from thousands of years ago.
It will always exist, legal and safe, or illegal and deadly.

I am NOT pro-abortion. But I am 100% pro-choice. I do NOT want the responsibility of telling any woman that she MUST carry a foetus for 9 months, then raise a child for 18 years, in a country that doesn't give a damn whether or not she, or the child has health care, food on the table, child care, and decent education.

I'm just very glad that I never had to make that choice!
 
I agree. And I would pick Romney also (religion is absolutely not an issue with me, except for extreme intolerance. . .which is not necessarely related to religion, but is more a state of mind anyway!).

Bachman sounds like a hypocrite to me, AND an extremist.

I must say that, If I had only two choices, between Bachman and Palin, I think I would pick (God forgive me!) Palin. . .she may not be the brightest light in the room, but at least she is not hypocrite, she is just silly and greedy!

Abortion has always existed, from thousands of years ago.
It will always exist, legal and safe, or illegal and deadly.

I am NOT pro-abortion. But I am 100% pro-choice. I do NOT want the responsibility of telling any woman that she MUST carry a foetus for 9 months, then raise a child for 18 years, in a country that doesn't give a damn whether or not she, or the child has health care, food on the table, child care, and decent education.

I'm just very glad that I never had to make that choice!

I totally agree.

Except that Palin is not running for president. If she did run for president, that would demonstrate that she is not thinking rationally. We don't need a president who is not thinking rationally. We already know that Bachmann is not.

Oh well, we aren't likely to be faced with a Bachmann/Palin choice.

Are we, are we? Please say no.....
 
Sorry to disapoint you, but I know quite a few practicing Catholics who have voted for Obama and still plan on voting for him!

I'm not positive but I believe that the Church's official stance is that voting for a pro-abortion politician constitutes a mortal sin and makes them ineligible for communion.

Practicing Catholics also could not vote for McCain or Bush..that little Death penalty thing gets in the way...Good Catholics can't vote for really anyone running...so O well.

The Church teaches that the death penalty is licit under some circumstances, and that voting for a pro-capital punishment politician is therefore not categorically a mortal sin.

Would religion play at all in a person's choice for an American president? Unless, of course, the candidate was hoping to make America a theocracy?

The Church's reasoning on abortion is based on natural law philosophy, not merely divine revelation.
 
I believe that is the Old Testament, isn't it? What does the New Testament say about "an eye for an eye"?

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. - Matthew 10:34
 
I'm not positive but I believe that the Church's official stance is that voting for a pro-abortion politician constitutes a mortal sin and makes them ineligible for communion.



The Church teaches that the death penalty is licit under some circumstances, and that voting for a pro-capital punishment politician is therefore not categorically a mortal sin.



The Church's reasoning on abortion is based on natural law philosophy, not merely divine revelation.


Funny you should mention all that!
Well, are you aware that the "Catholic Church" is a little like the tail that "tries" to wag the dog, and that the "dog" has increasingly different ideas of what is "moral" and what is not, and have given itself permission to check with their OWN conscience on many of those points, rather than blindly follow the dogma of the Church?

I said it was funny that you mentionned that because, although I had already come to those conclusion through my own observation and checking my OWN conscience, I just receive in the mail, this morning, (my mail had been kept at the post office for the last 5 weeks, while I was travelling, so this is the first time I had access to it), the June 9, 2011 Catholic Miscellany, with latest US Bishops findings on the Catholics opinion about these various issues:

Ibased on telephone interveiws conducted May 5-8 with a random sample of 1,018 U.S. Adults. Margin of error: + or - 45.

Morally acceptable Morally wrong
Doctor-assisted suicie 45% 48%
Abortion 39% 51%
Same-sex relations 56% 39%
Premarital sex 60% 36%
Embryonic stem-cell research 62% 36%
Pornography 30% 66%
Death Penalty 65% 28%
Divorce 69% 23%

I thought this was quite interesting and really demonstrates that, unless the "CHURCH" begins to live in the 21st century, it will become as relevant as the Koran for Catholics.

By the way, I would have LOVED to see one category that involved "birth control devises/pills." I bet the answer would have been 90% moral and 5% not moral. . .in spite of the continued "sin" it represents for the Church!
 
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. - Matthew 10:34

He also said

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
—Matthew 5:38-42, NIV
 
He also said

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
—Matthew 5:38-42, NIV

Hahah, that he did. I was being facetious. ;)
 
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I already covered that. Lots of people have no use for the pope, thats why they thought JFK would never get elected. He got elected anyway mainly because of the 1st amendment. A poitition who condones murder (in the estimation of those opposed to abortion) is another matter. I see you are similarly prejudiced against Mormans. Maybe they'll vote for who seems to be most capable of getting this country out of the mess it's in.
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People thought that was a pretty-good-idea in 2000....when they figured The DICK; Cheney would show Lil' Dumbya how to get things done.
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I'm pretty-certain The American People (as John Boner consistently refers to all the most-aware voters) have pretty-much had a gut-full of managed-Presidents.

I don't think they're in any-big-hurry to re-elect someone who'll never be directly-responsible for any-and-all decisions made (for them).​

“Tax law! I hate taxes! Why should I go and do something like that?” Bachmann recalled thinking. “But the Lord said, ‘Be submissive. Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands.’ ”


I don't believe The American People are in any mood for that kind o' double-threat, either; a more-traditional-woman as President.​
 
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