McCain? Well, Duh!

[Pandora]

I only just saw this post

You say Obama is a racist. I have a question for you, which race does he favor? His mother was white, and he was raised by her. She is largely responsible for him being who he is. Seems to me that you fear having a person of color in the White House.

I would say his leanings are against racist white grandmother he threw under the bus the day he defended his pastor. I have never heard him say or read that he said anything about people of color, but I have heard him talk about typical white people and tell how his grandmothers racism sometimes made him “cringe” "White man's Greed versus a World in Need" Speaking about small town “white” voters “clinging to guns and God, antipathy toward others who are different from themselves”

I love that your first post to me was the race card. You are true to form and prove my point! Thank you very much!

His pastor has no more to do with his political philosophy than McCain's endorsements from John Hagee and Rod Parsley have to do with McCain's. In fact, I believe that actively seeking the endorsements of Hagee and Parsley should call into question McCain's judgement. He claims he has so much experience, yet he couldn't muster enough common sense to vet these nut-case preachers before actively seeking their endorsements. "Marxist political views?" how about some examples, and while you're at it, how about some proof that Wright speaks for Obama? I don't think you will be able to find any. But, Republican talking points are always easy to parrot, in lieu of facts...

Marxist, communistic ideas fed from the mouth of Rev. Wright to the mouth of Mr. and Mrs. Obama. My best example is the “do not strive for middleclassness” before the Trinity church sanitized their website from the black value system. #8 of must do’s was to Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”

Michelle Obama spoke to a women’s group on the campaign trail expressing her concern for the women striving for middleclassness. She urged them to not go to corporate America, and not to go to Ivy league schools, (Like she herself did) but to stay in their own communities. And to be happy with moderate lives.

Now one of the biggest American dreams is to become middle class, to get that house on the hill (like Mr. and Mrs. Obama, and the pastor for that matter.) It is not normal to come up with such an idea to be talking to women’s groups about. It is obvious it came right from the church and rev Wright. And Wright got it from your basic communism 101. Everyone should stay the same, the few that need to be higher up can have more but the rest of us need to be satisfied with lowerclassness.

Another example is very recently, Mr. Obama spoke to a huge crowd explaining how we can’t drive our SUV’s, eat what ever we want and have our temperatures at 72 at all times, people in other countries do not like that. . Those are very communistic Marxist statements.

His opinion on gun control is also something they do in communistic type countries, not in the USA

 

[Vietvet]

I only just saw this post




I would say his leanings are against racist white grandmother he threw under the bus the day he defended his pastor. I have never heard him say or read that he said anything about people of color, but I have heard him talk about typical white people and tell how his grandmothers racism sometimes made him “cringe” "White man's Greed versus a World in Need" Speaking about small town “white” voters “clinging to guns and God, antipathy toward others who are different from themselves”

I love that your first post to me was the race card. You are true to form and prove my point! Thank you very much!




Marxist, communistic ideas fed from the mouth of Rev. Wright to the mouth of Mr. and Mrs. Obama. My best example is the “do not strive for middleclassness” before the Trinity church sanitized their website from the black value system. #8 of must do’s was to Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”

Michelle Obama spoke to a women’s group on the campaign trail expressing her concern for the women striving for middleclassness. She urged them to not go to corporate America, and not to go to Ivy league schools, (Like she herself did) but to stay in their own communities. And to be happy with moderate lives.

Now one of the biggest American dreams is to become middle class, to get that house on the hill (like Mr. and Mrs. Obama, and the pastor for that matter.) It is not normal to come up with such an idea to be talking to women’s groups about. It is obvious it came right from the church and rev Wright. And Wright got it from your basic communism 101. Everyone should stay the same, the few that need to be higher up can have more but the rest of us need to be satisfied with lowerclassness.

Another example is very recently, Mr. Obama spoke to a huge crowd explaining how we can’t drive our SUV’s, eat what ever we want and have our temperatures at 72 at all times, people in other countries do not like that. . Those are very communistic Marxist statements.

His opinion on gun control is also something they do in communistic type countries, not in the USA

I'm sorry, but none of what you mentioned has a thing to do with communism. You have a tendency, I'm beginning to see, of getting all worked up over things which are basically ridiculous. What do you mean she told them to "not go to corporate America?" Hell, that makes no sense whatsoever.You got a link? The stuff about not driving SUVs and keeping temps at a reasonable setting is just common sense. I mean, there is obviously an energy crises, and even conservatives are finally starting to talk about conservation. How ironic is that?It's not like they are trying to FORCE anybody to do it, only telling people what is already pretty obvious to most of us.

Oh yeah, only "communistic type countries" like Britain, France, Japan, Germany,Canada, etc., have implemented any serious gun control laws..

Oh yeah, that's a brilliant observation if there ever was one...

 

[Pandora]

I'm sorry, but none of what you mentioned has a thing to do with communism. You have a tendency, I'm beginning to see, of getting all worked up over things which are basically ridiculous. What do you mean she told them to "not go to corporate America?" Hell, that makes no sense whatsoever.You got a link? The stuff about not driving SUVs and keeping temps at a reasonable setting is just common sense. I mean, there is obviously an energy crises, and even conservatives are finally starting to talk about conservation. How ironic is that?It's not like they are trying to FORCE anybody to do it, only telling people what is already pretty obvious to most of us.

Oh yeah, only "communistic type countries" like Britain, France, Japan, Germany,Canada, etc., have implemented any serious gun control laws..

Oh yeah, that's a brilliant observation if there ever was one...

keeping everyone in the lower class and in their places is what communists do, as well as socialist but not to the same degree.

and no Mrs. Obama did not demand they do not go to corporate America, she suggested it. Do not strive for middleclassness was her reasoning. I had the link earlier, I can find it again.

the countries you named are all more or less socialist countries, unlike the USA. About the only differnce I see in socialism and communism is the right to religous freedoms.

Glad you think you know me so well.

 

[KX450man]

keeping everyone in the lower class and in their places is what communists do, as well as socialist but not to the same degree.

and no Mrs. Obama did not demand they do not go to corporate America, she suggested it. Do not strive for middleclassness was her reasoning. I had the link earlier, I can find it again.

the countries you named are all more or less socialist countries, unlike the USA. About the only differnce I see in socialism and communism is the right to religous freedoms.

Glad you think you know me so well.

 

[top gun]

NO Obamanation;39174]
I would say his leanings are against racist white grandmother he threw under the bus the day he defended his pastor. I have never heard him say or read that he said anything about people of color, but I have heard him talk about typical white people and tell how his grandmothers racism sometimes made him “cringe” "White man's Greed versus a World in Need" Speaking about small town “white” voters “clinging to guns and God, antipathy toward others who are different from themselves”

OMG... if there was ever a guy from a diverse background that has love in his heart and only wants to help everyone it's Barack Obama. I realize it never occured to you during your hate fest that a person that has experianced the ignorance & pain of racism close up can either waller in it or WORK HARD TO BETTER THEMSELVES, EDUCATE THEIRSELVES AND TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER! Senator Obama has long track record of working to help those that have fallen on hard times do to plant closings etc. and race never played any, ZERO role at all.

The funnyest (funnyest in the what a bunch of morons sense) thing is until the man ran for Pesident... throughout his childhood, school & college years, work as a community organizer, 8 years in the Illinois State Senate, and during his time as United States Senator no one has ever mentioned Senator Obama had done anything even remotely racist.

Michelle Obama spoke to a women’s group on the campaign trail expressing her concern for the women striving for middleclassness. She urged them to not go to corporate America, and not to go to Ivy league schools, (Like she herself did) but to stay in their own communities. And to be happy with moderate lives.

Yeah that's what she meant... NOT! Michelle Obama was speaking not against bettering oneself. As you pointed out that is exactly what her and her husband did with hard work & good grades. What Mrs. Obama was saying was don't forget where you came from and try to go back & bring others up with you. CRAZY TALK!!!

Another example is very recently, Mr. Obama spoke to a huge crowd explaining how we can’t drive our SUV’s, eat what ever we want and have our temperatures at 72 at all times, people in other countries do not like that. . Those are very communistic Marxist statements.

When you say Marxist you mean Marxist like what almost all scientists, environmentalists and President Bush are saying... because they all have said that you know. But United States Senator Barack Obama is the Marxist?

I'm not sure but I think the honesty factor in your truth in advertising and research department have reached total disconnect.

His opinion on gun control is also something they do in communistic type countries, not in the USA.

Just when you think it couldn't get any sillier you prove us wrong.

GUNS

REALITY: OBAMA HAS CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTED COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL, AS
WELL AS THE RIGHTS OF LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS

Obama Supported A Package Of Legislation That Would Limit Handgun
Sales To One A Month. " We're eliminating 17 specific assault weapons.
There is no reason why anybody should need an assault weapon to
protect themselves or their family,' Obama said. 'We're limiting
handgun sales to one a month. 'We're calling for handgun
registration."

Obama Voted To Prohibit Multiple Sales Of Handguns Within A 30-Day
Period.

Obama Disagreed With The NRA That "People Should Be Unimpeded And
Unregulated On Gun Ownership;"

Obama: America Has A "Tradition Of Gun Ownership In This Country That
Can Be Respected." The Weekly Standard reported, "When a student asks
Obama for his views on the Second Amendment, he reminds his audience
that he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago and is
thus familiar with the arguments regarding the right to bear arms. He
acknowledges 'a tradition of gun ownership in this country that can be
respected,' and says that his academic studies convinced him gun
ownership 'is an individual right and not just the right of a
militia.'

 

[Vietvet]

keeping everyone in the lower class and in their places is what communists do, as well as socialist but not to the same degree.

and no Mrs. Obama did not demand they do not go to corporate America, she suggested it. Do not strive for middleclassness was her reasoning. I had the link earlier, I can find it again.

the countries you named are all more or less socialist countries, unlike the USA. About the only differnce I see in socialism and communism is the right to religous freedoms.

Glad you think you know me so well.

You are woefully misinformed. Japan is a "Socialist" country? I don't think so..France, sure. Britain, which has a parliamentary system which our US Congress is based on, is not.Ditto Canada.Try telling citizens from those countries that they are not free, and they'll no-doubt be quite offended.They have the same rights as we do here in the US, for the most part, if not more. They elect their leaders, and they've been doing it for many years now. They are hardly living under totalitarism..They seemed to be doing pretty well in Britain when I visited there a few years ago. My gf's daughter even had some dental work done, which would have cost over $2,000 here in the states-for FREE. Go figure..

There are actually HUGE differences between socialism and communism other than religious freedom or lack thereof, but you'll have to figure that out for yourself, if you have the inclination to do so, which I doubt.

 

[Pandora]

OMG... if there was ever a guy from a diverse background that has love in his heart and only wants to help everyone it's Barack Obama. I realize it never occured to you during your hate fest that a person that has experianced the ignorance & pain of racism close up can either waller in it or WORK HARD TO BETTER THEMSELVES, EDUCATE THEIRSELVES AND TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER! Senator Obama has long track record of working to help those that have fallen on hard times do to plant closings etc. and race never played any, ZERO role at all.

You call disagreeing with you on Obama a “hate fest” It has not occurred to you that we just disagree on him and his motives? You do not know anything about me, or my life. I have been the subject of racism through out my childhood, though it has subsided in my adult life. There is at least one thing we can agree on, you can either “waller” in it or work hard to better yourself and over come it.

The funnyest (funnyest in the what a bunch of morons sense) thing is until the man ran for Pesident... throughout his childhood, school & college years, work as a community organizer, 8 years in the Illinois State Senate, and during his time as United States Senator no one has ever mentioned Senator Obama had done anything even remotely racist.

I have never said he “did” anything racist, I said he “said” things that sounded racist against white people. I am not considered a white person, so though it does not affect me personally, it does affect my son and daughter who are considered white people. And besides that, even if it didn’t affect my own children, racism is wrong I don’t care who it is aimed at. The new racism that seems to be ok is racism against white people. I detest that as much as I do against black people or the type that was done to me as a child.

[Yeah that's what she meant... NOT!Michelle Obama was speaking not against bettering oneself. As you pointed out that is exactly what her and her husband did with hard work & good grades. What Mrs. Obama was saying was don't forget where you came from and try to go back & bring others up with you. CRAZY TALK!!!

I disagree, she was not saying “don’t forget where we came from, come back to visit and help” she was saying avoid middleclassness, avoid corporate America as a job, avoid Ivey league schools. Work in the service industry in your own community. She has every right to say it and believe it, my only point in bringing it up was that another poster said she and her husband did not get any of their political or social views from their pastors church. I was only telling this to you as an example of what the pastor taught, what was posted on the pastors website and what the Obama’s did believe and teach, right from the church.

When you say Marxist you mean Marxist like what almost all scientists, environmentalists and President Bush are saying... because they all have said that you know. But United States Senator Barack Obama is the Marxist?

I did not post anything about Mr. Bush, I posted about Mr. and Mrs. Obama. Here is another comment by her that resembles Marxist thinking.


“If we don’t wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership…for how we want this country to work, then we won’t get universal health care,” she said.

“The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”


I believe as an American, I have the right to strongly disagree in this type of leadership. I do not want to work 50 hours a week so some portion of what I have workd for can be taken (my part of the pie) and given to someone who thought 20 hours a week was good enough for them. I believe that redistribution of wealth is a socialist and or communistic act.

I'm not sure but I think the honesty factor in your truth in advertising and research department have reached total disconnect.

I spent some time pondering this quote but I really did not understand it, so my only reply is please clarify?

"Just when you think it couldn't get any sillier you prove us wrong.

GUNS

REALITY: OBAMA HAS CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTED COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL, AS
WELL AS THE RIGHTS OF LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS

Obama Supported A Package Of Legislation That Would Limit Handgun
Sales To One A Month. " We're eliminating 17 specific assault weapons.
There is no reason why anybody should need an assault weapon to
protect themselves or their family,' Obama said. 'We're limiting
handgun sales to one a month. 'We're calling for handgun
registration."

Obama Voted To Prohibit Multiple Sales Of Handguns Within A 30-Day
Period.

Obama Disagreed With The NRA That "People Should Be Unimpeded And
Unregulated On Gun Ownership;"

Obama: America Has A "Tradition Of Gun Ownership In This Country That
Can Be Respected." The Weekly Standard reported, "When a student asks
Obama for his views on the Second Amendment, he reminds his audience
that he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago and is
thus familiar with the arguments regarding the right to bear arms. He
acknowledges 'a tradition of gun ownership in this country that can be
respected,' and says that his academic studies convinced him gun
ownership 'is an individual right and not just the right of a
militia.'

From an Interview with Obama:

Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."
http://www.massscorecard.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Again as Americans we can agree or disagree on where the country is heading. I do not like his stand on gun control. I do not have a dog in this fight. I don’t even have a gun, but I am not willing to let our rights be taken from us without a fight. I feel as do many Americans, all of the constitution is valuable and important.

I do not know why you have to be so mean to me personally because I disagree with you about Obama. It’s as though anyone disagreeing with you on this man is somehow a bad person. We are all people, we just disagree on the politics of the candidates.

 

[Pandora]

You are woefully misinformed. Japan is a "Socialist" country? I don't think so..France, sure. Britain, which has a parliamentary system which our US Congress is based on, is not.Ditto Canada.Try telling citizens from those countries that they are not free, and they'll no-doubt be quite offended.They have the same rights as we do here in the US, for the most part, if not more. They elect their leaders, and they've been doing it for many years now. They are hardly living under totalitarism..They seemed to be doing pretty well in Britain when I visited there a few years ago. My gf's daughter even had some dental work done, which would have cost over $2,000 here in the states-for FREE. Go figure..

FREE? Sorry but NOTHING is free. Some poor sucker or better said SuckerS worked more and paid extra to the government to cover your girlfriend’s daughter dental work. I do not think the dentist did it for free. He or she was paid by someone and that someone is the working people who were over taxed so your girlfriend daughter can get something free. Free to her, but not FREE.



I am sorry, I was being lazy when I posted. I should have known to be more careful when replying to you. My fault. I lazily lumped them all together by saying “the countries you named are all more or less socialist countries,” I should have been specific.

Canada is a socialist country. Now I never said they are under totalitarism, that is just you twisting my words again. Though I believe Britain, Germany and France are socialist too, I do not know as much about them as I do Canada. I should have taken the time to type out every country you listed except Japan. (I know little to nothing about Japan) and again I apologies for being too lazy to type out the 4 countries, leaving out the one.

So… About Canada…..

redistribution of wealth:

The provinces of Ontario and Alberta are the only net contributors to the economy of the country and are punished for this by having their wealth taken. Despite being morally wrong, this system of “taking from the rich to give to the poor” is rife with flaws. A family in Alberta with a household income of $30,000 - $40,000 will pay out over $3000 for equalization payments, while a family in the province of Newfoundland which has a household income of over $100,000 will receive over a $1000 in benefits. Furthermore, these equalization payments have not led to economic development in the areas receiving them, ensuring that the system will never end.


Just Society:
Pierre Trudeau started the Canadian cause for a society where no one "should be entitled to superfluous or luxury goods until the essentials of life are made available to everyone", which set the tone for modern day Canada, in spite of the policy's devastatingly Socialistic after-effects.


More on Canadian socialism
http://www.namyth.com/SocialismWORKS!/index.php?sw=Canada#redistribution


Censorship in Canada (banned or challenged books)
http://www.freedomtoread.ca/censorship_in_canada/index.asp

Attempt to ban bibles in Canadian hospitals backfires
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2005/05/13/nb-bibles20050513.html

Certain passages of the Bible can be construed as hate literature if placed in a particular context, according to a Canadian provincial court.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31080


Due to public outcry the CRTC “unbanned” fox news for Canadian consumption, 8 years after it came on line. The same time they said OK to Al-Jazeera. (CNN was approved when it first came on line.)
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/18/fox_crtc041118.html

 

[top gun]

NO Obamanation;39266]You call disagreeing with you on Obama a “hate fest” ...

Yes... the way you go about it is venomous and deceptive. If someone was doing anything even remotely similar to what you're trying so hard to do to Senator Obama I'd come to your defense as well. I'm sorry but I don't care for attempts to swift boat a good American.

I have never said he “did” anything racist, I said he “said” things that sounded racist against white people.

You've spent ridiculous amounts of time on this board saying Senator Obama and family, think, act, or believe racist things. Down the road when someone treats you badly for no good reason I hope you think back to things you've said and reflect on it. That's all I'm saying.

I disagree, she was not saying “don’t forget where we came from, come back to visit and help” she was saying avoid middleclassness, avoid corporate America as a job, avoid Ivey league schools. Work in the service industry in your own community.

PRINT THE LINK WHERE MRS. OBAMA SAID THIS! Where she told people not to try and get ahead.

I did not post anything about Mr. Bush, I posted about Mr. and Mrs. Obama. Here is another comment by her that resembles Marxist thinking.

“If we don’t wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership…for how we want this country to work, then we won’t get universal health care,” she said.

“The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”

I believe as an American, I have the right to strongly disagree in this type of leadership. I do not want to work 50 hours a week so some portion of what I have workd for can be taken (my part of the pie) and given to someone who thought 20 hours a week was good enough for them. I believe that redistribution of wealth is a socialist and or communistic act.

National Healthcare or at the very least a revamping of Healthcare in America is vitally important. There are some things that become monopolies. There is no real competition. Healthcare is a good example of one of these corporate industries.

When people have to go to the hospital uninsured they still get treated on YOUR DIME whether you choose to believe it or not. Your Insurance premiums reflect this loss to the healthcare system as a whole.

Saying we can't do better isn't a solution... it's burying your head in the sand and just not trying.

By rolling back the Bush tax cuts to the rich to where they were previously along with other changes we can have a better heathcare system. It may not even be univeral... but at least we're trying to make it better and more affordable to all.

You know I could make the same "Marxist, Socialist, Communist argument against NASA. Maybe I didn't give a hoot about going to moon. Why should I have to help pay for it? It's because things we hope to learn help us all in the long run. And I'll say again... $12 BILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH on a Bush totally made up war... we can find a way to help sick Americans.

I spent some time pondering this quote but I really did not understand it, so my only reply is please clarify?

When you say Marxist you mean Marxist like what almost all scientists, environmentalists and President Bush are saying... because they all have said that you know. But United States Senator Barack Obama is the Marxist?

From an Interview with Obama:

Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.

We've already been over this. You can have the purchase of guns to law abiding citizens while also having intensive background checks, reasonable restrictions, and licensing.

Sometimes things can be both good & bad and a responsible person tries to address those problems. For instance the one handgun purchase a month idea. That came up because the local police had been documenting problems where people with clean records were buying bundels of hanguns and then selling them to crimminals in the inner city... people that could not legally buy them. They wanted to attempt to slow that down.

Guns will still be legal & available to the public under President Obama I assure you.

I do not know why you have to be so mean to me personally because I disagree with you about Obama. It’s as though anyone disagreeing with you on this man is somehow a bad person. We are all people, we just disagree on the politics of the candidates.

Nobody's being mean to ya. I'm just refusing to coddle you or just accept fear mongering or unfair character assassinations. Sorry if that seems rough.

 

[Pandora]

PRINT THE LINK WHERE MRS. OBAMA SAID THIS! Where she told people not to try and get ahead.[/COLOR][/B]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1978845/posts


Michelle Obama: Tells Lower Middle Class Women, Don't Go Into Corporate America
March 01, 2008

Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008

Michelle Obama - "Hope makes a comeback"?
From Byron York at National Review's The Corner:
I have a new story today about Michelle Obama's visit to Zanesville, Ohio, where she met with a group of women at a local day care center. According to the U.S. Census, Muskingum County, where Zanesville is located, had a median household income of $37,192 in 2004, below both the Ohio and national averages. Just 12.2 percent of adults in the county have a bachelor's degree or higher, also well below the state and national averages. About 20 percent don't have a high school degree. Nevertheless, Mrs. Obama urged them to foreswear lucrative professions like corporate law or hedge fund management and go into the helping industry, even if the sacrifice is great:


As she has many times in the past, Mrs. Obama complains about the lasting
burden of student loans dating from her days at Princeton and Harvard Law
School. She talks about people who end up taking years and years, until middle
age, to pay off their debts. “The salaries don’t keep up with the cost of paying
off the debt, so you’re in your 40s, still paying off your debt at a time when
you have to save for your kids,” she says.

“Barack and I were in that position,” she continues. “The only reason we’re
not in that position is that Barack wrote two best-selling books… It was like
Jack and his magic beans. But up until a few years ago, we were struggling to
figure out how we would save for our kids.”

A former attorney with the white-shoe Chicago firm of Sidley & Austin,
Obama explains that she and her husband made the choice to give up lucrative
jobs in favor of community service. “We left corporate America, which is a lot
of what we’re asking young people to do,” she tells the women. “Don’t go into
corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social
workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we’re encouraging
our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out
of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries
respond.”

Faced with that reality, she adds, “many of our bright stars are going into
corporate law or hedge-fund management.”What she doesn’t mention is that the
helping industry has treated her pretty well. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune
reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital,
where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in
2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005,
just after he took office. And that does not count the money Mrs. Obama receives
from serving on corporate boards. She would have been O.K. even without Jack’s
magic beans.
Mrs. Obama also bemoaned the amount of money she has to spend — nearly one-third of the median household income in Zanesville — on piano, dance, and other lessons for her two children. But she was grateful for the concern her husband's supporters have shown for her. "Everywhere I go, no matter what, the women in the audience, their first question for me is, 'How on earth are you managing it, how are you keeping it all together?'" she told the women.
It is bad enough that she is telling people who are relatively poor to not pursue lucrative careers. Yes, that is bad enough. But, Michelle Obama's suggestion, if it were to be taken up by sizable numbers of people, would bankrupt the economy.


Those lucrative corporate careers are where the money is made that pays the taxes that provide for jobs as teachers and social workers.


Do you think, possibly, Michelle Obama is so ignorant of basic economics that she doesn't even know that?


Or, is she just talking down to a group of middle-class women and, thereby, destroying their "hope" and their dreams? Hope is making a comeback, indeed.


This above is #8 on the list in the black value system taught and preached by Pastor Rev. Wright. And until recently was posted in the church’s website.

I absolutely believe Mrs. Obama has a right to believe this and teach this. That was never why I brought it up. I ONLY brought it up because it was argued in a previous post that Mr. and Mrs. Obama did not take any of the political or social values from the church they attended, and this is #8 in the list of the churches teachings.

I disagree with just about everything Mrs. Obama said, but she does have the right to say it.

 

[Pandora]

Yes...the way you go about it is venomous and deceptive. If someone was doing anything even remotely similar to what you're trying so hard to do to Senator Obama I'd come to your defense as well. I'm sorry but I don't care for attempts to swift boat a good American.

Reading and listening and then coming up with a different point of view is not “swift boating”

You've spent ridiculous amounts of time on this board saying Senator Obama and family, think, act, or believe racist things. Down the road when someone treats you badly for no good reason I hope you think back to things you've said and reflect on it. That's all I'm saying.

I have posted their own words and explained why I thought it was racist. I also think calling a black person an uncle tom or a token because they are a republican a racist thing to say too.

National Healthcare or at the very least a revamping of Healthcare in America is vitally important. There are some things that become monopolies. There is no real competition. Healthcare is a good example of one of these corporate industries.

I respect your opinion on having national health care, but not everyone agrees it’s a good idea. People who disagree with it being a good idea should not be treated like garbage for merely disagreeing. If it becomes the law of the land then it does, but there has to be some debate about if it’s a good idea. And as much as you have the right to say and believe it’s a good idea, I have the same right to think it’s a bad idea. And that can be done with out treating each other like garbage.

When people have to go to the hospital uninsured they still get treated onYOUR DIME whether you choose to believe it or not. Your Insurance premiums reflect this loss to the healthcare system as a whole.

I have never said that our health care system is perfect, and I would agree totally there needs to be MUCH reform. I just don’t agree that national health care is the answer.

Saying we can't do better isn't a solution... it's burying your head in the sand and just not trying.

I have never said we can not do better than we are currently doing. I have never said we should bury our heads in the sand.

By rolling back the Bush tax cuts to the rich to where they were previously along with other changes we can have a better heathcare system. It may not even be univeral... but at least we're trying to make it better and more affordable to all.

I totally respect your opinion on this being a possible way to fund it. I don’t think it is nearly enough money for funding it and something else would have to give. I am not sure I agree with national health care at all but again I respect your right to your opinion.

You know I could make the same "Marxist, Socialist, Communist argument against NASA. Maybe I didn't give a hoot about going to moon. Why should I have to help pay for it? It's because things we hope to learn help us all in the long run. And I'll say again... $12 BILLION DOLLARS PER MONTHon a Bush totally made up war... we can find a way to help sick Americans.

you are right about us all being forced to pay for NASA, that is a good example. The war though is not being funded by our $$ we are borrowing the money from China; it sadly is going to be our children who pay for it. And I also agree we should and could find a way to help sick Americans. But hopefully not borrowing from China to get it done.

When you say Marxist you mean Marxist like what almost all scientists, environmentalists and President Bush are saying... because they all have said that you know. But United States Senator Barack Obama is the Marxist?

I think Bush has Marxist ideas as well. But I do not think they lean as far as Obama’s does.
I would like a clean wash of all the politicians.

Republicans today are just watered down democrats. And Democrats are just watered down socialists. So really, I have a problem with all of them.

We've already been over this. You can have the purchase of guns to law abiding citizens while also having intensive background checks, reasonable restrictions, and licensing. Sometimes things can be both good & bad and a responsible person tries to address those problems. For instance the one handgun purchase a month idea. That came up because the local police had been documenting problems where people with clean records were buying bundels of hanguns and then selling them to crimminals in the inner city... people that could not legally buy them. They wanted to attempt to slow that down.

Yes we have already been over gun control. And we just disagree. You feel strongly that Obama has a good and sensible gun plan, and I feel it goes too far. We disagree. It is ok to disagree.

Guns will still be legal & available to the public under President Obama I assure you.

Legal for who is the question.

Nobody's being mean to ya. I'm just refusing to coddle you or just accept fear mongering or unfair character assassinations. Sorry if that seems rough.

I certainly do not want you to “coddle” me. Just basic respect that human beings give human beings would be nice.

I do not think I am unfairly attacking Mr. or Mrs. Obama. I am posting what they said or replying to a post that someone else posted of what they said and giving my opinion. I admit my opinions are more conservative so they would not mesh with most of Obama’s thinking.

Though there is a lot of character assassination on these boards, they generally lean to Bush bashing. I am sure you find that perfectly acceptable. But if anyone shows a similarity to someone political from the left, then it tends to be called hateful and character assassination.