It is Mathematically Impossible for There to be NO Creator

[Boris Norris]

They worship monkeys in Boris' shithole country

At least monkeys are real but god isn't. Keep praying sucker. You keep the faith and they'll keep your money.

 

[pjmret]

4x posts by Pedoi-Pj, and what do they total? Nothing, just more ignorance and stupidity.

The first post in this thread stands as fact, un-refuted by the atheist scum

my god you're stupid. lol.

mathematically, its only "impossible" if the probability is zero. which none of your stupidity proves it is.

your thread was stupid from the start. lol

you make regular morons look smart

 

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At least monkeys are real. . . . .

Yep, your mom and dad are real monkey boy.

 

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The first post has not been refuted. It stands as fact.

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It is Mathematically Impossible for There to be NO Creator

In 1943, the distinguished French mathematician Émile Borel stated that “events with a sufficiently small probability never occur” (Institute of Mathematical Statistics).

Dr. Borel chose a fairly safe number, 10 to the power of 50, written as View attachment 2063

For you average folks, that is expressed as one in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Anything with a lower probability than that would not happen, said Borel the numbers man.

Is it hard to wrap your head around that one? How's this:

The “infinite monkey theorem” this states that if enough monkeys pound the keys of enough typewriters (hundred of trillions?) they will eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare. While this is theoretically possible, in fact, it can never happen, and therefore constitutes a "statistical" or mathematical impossibility.

As for Earth and Man, the odds that the number of variables needed for life to just come about on its own, from the earth being the right size and the right distance from the sun, tilted on the correct axis, to the chemical make-up of all the elements and the combination of water and land, to life itself just spontaneously coming into being, and then evolving into man, and all the millions of other variables that come in between those . . . .the odds of that number of variables actually coming together by chance is far beyond 10 to the power of 50, and therefore while it is theoretically possible, it is actually no more possible than a monkey accidentally typing the entire works of Shakespeare.

So, there you go all you big science and math fans. God must exist. The math says so.

 

[Lagboltz]

We are not talking about "a" planet. We are talking about Earth and all its complexities, including man.

A new study by Astrophysicist Erik Zackrisson from Uppsala University in Sweden suggests that there are around 700 quintillion planets in the universe, but only one like Earth. 700 quintillion is a 7 followed by 20 zeros. That's not quite as big as but its good enough. I do not have the reference that Dr Borel used.

Scott and Janice Huse, in their 1997 book The Collapse of Evolution, state that “It is very significant to note that mathematicians generally consider that any event with a probability of one chance [in] 10^50 as having a zero probability (i.e. it is impossible).”

The astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle illustrated this with his Junkyard Tornado Theory: “The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable to the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.”

I'm referring to the formation of a earth-like planet, or man, or whatever.
What I am questioning is does whoever made these calculations use the assumption that all neccessary factors in the creation of man or a planet assume that all events are statistically independent. If so, they would simply multiply the probabilities of all factors and get a huge number.

However, in calculations like that, many factors are not statistically independent, and another form of analysis would be used such as Bayesian statistics, or Markov chains. These methods are more appropriate for time ordered events and would have a much reduced probability.

In other words, each event in a chain of steps makes the next event more probable than simply starting from nothing and immediately jumping to the final step. If the authors of the the 700 quintillion number did not use these more sophisticated methods, their conclusion cannot be justified.

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[pjmret]

I'm referring to the formation of a earth-like planet, or man, or whatever.
What I am questioning is does whoever made these calculations use the assumption that all neccessary factors in the creation of man or a planet assume that all events are statistically independent. If so, they would simply multiply the probabilities of all factors and get a huge number.

However, in calculations like that, many factors are not statistically independent, and another form of analysis would be used such as Bayesian statistics, or Markov chains. These methods are more appropriate for time ordered events and would have a much reduced probability.

In other words, each event in a chain of steps makes the next event more probable than simply starting from nothing and immediately jumping to the final step. If the authors of the the 700 quintillion number did not use these more sophisticated methods, their conclusion cannot be justified.

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god

The first post has not been refuted. It stands as fact.

QUOTE

It is Mathematically Impossible for There to be NO Creator

In 1943, the distinguished French mathematician Émile Borel stated that “events with a sufficiently small probability never occur” (Institute of Mathematical Statistics).

Dr. Borel chose a fairly safe number, 10 to the power of 50, written as View attachment 2063

For you average folks, that is expressed as one in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Anything with a lower probability than that would not happen, said Borel the numbers man.

Is it hard to wrap your head around that one? How's this:

The “infinite monkey theorem” this states that if enough monkeys pound the keys of enough typewriters (hundred of trillions?) they will eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare. While this is theoretically possible, in fact, it can never happen, and therefore constitutes a "statistical" or mathematical impossibility.

As for Earth and Man, the odds that the number of variables needed for life to just come about on its own, from the earth being the right size and the right distance from the sun, tilted on the correct axis, to the chemical make-up of all the elements and the combination of water and land, to life itself just spontaneously coming into being, and then evolving into man, and all the millions of other variables that come in between those . . . .the odds of that number of variables actually coming together by chance is far beyond 10 to the power of 50, and therefore while it is theoretically possible, it is actually no more possible than a monkey accidentally typing the entire works of Shakespeare.

So, there you go all you big science and math fans. God must exist. The math says so.

god you're stupid. "mathematically impossible" = zero probability, not "very small" or "improbable". duh.

you're so stupid. lol

 

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The first post has not been refuted. It stands as fact.

QUOTE

It is Mathematically Impossible for There to be NO Creator

In 1943, the distinguished French mathematician Émile Borel stated that “events with a sufficiently small probability never occur” (Institute of Mathematical Statistics).

Dr. Borel chose a fairly safe number, 10 to the power of 50, written as View attachment 2063

For you average folks, that is expressed as one in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Anything with a lower probability than that would not happen, said Borel the numbers man.

Is it hard to wrap your head around that one? How's this:

The “infinite monkey theorem” this states that if enough monkeys pound the keys of enough typewriters (hundred of trillions?) they will eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare. While this is theoretically possible, in fact, it can never happen, and therefore constitutes a "statistical" or mathematical impossibility.

As for Earth and Man, the odds that the number of variables needed for life to just come about on its own, from the earth being the right size and the right distance from the sun, tilted on the correct axis, to the chemical make-up of all the elements and the combination of water and land, to life itself just spontaneously coming into being, and then evolving into man, and all the millions of other variables that come in between those . . . .the odds of that number of variables actually coming together by chance is far beyond 10 to the power of 50, and therefore while it is theoretically possible, it is actually no more possible than a monkey accidentally typing the entire works of Shakespeare.

So, there you go all you big science and math fans. God must exist. The math says so.

 

[Boris Norris]

The first post has not been refuted. It stands as fact.

QUOTE

It is Mathematically Impossible for There to be NO Creator

In 1943, the distinguished French mathematician Émile Borel stated that “events with a sufficiently small probability never occur” (Institute of Mathematical Statistics).

Dr. Borel chose a fairly safe number, 10 to the power of 50, written as View attachment 2063

For you average folks, that is expressed as one in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Anything with a lower probability than that would not happen, said Borel the numbers man.

Is it hard to wrap your head around that one? How's this:

The “infinite monkey theorem” this states that if enough monkeys pound the keys of enough typewriters (hundred of trillions?) they will eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare. While this is theoretically possible, in fact, it can never happen, and therefore constitutes a "statistical" or mathematical impossibility.

As for Earth and Man, the odds that the number of variables needed for life to just come about on its own, from the earth being the right size and the right distance from the sun, tilted on the correct axis, to the chemical make-up of all the elements and the combination of water and land, to life itself just spontaneously coming into being, and then evolving into man, and all the millions of other variables that come in between those . . . .the odds of that number of variables actually coming together by chance is far beyond 10 to the power of 50, and therefore while it is theoretically possible, it is actually no more possible than a monkey accidentally typing the entire works of Shakespeare.

So, there you go all you big science and math fans. God must exist. The math says so.

Of course he does. I got my calculator, press a few buttons and there he was. Grin on him like a butchers dog.
He asked how you were. I asked why don't you ask him yourself. He's one of yours.
He said he was too embarrassed to admit he had anything to do with you. In fact, he suggested you are a product of evolution.
Gotcha again.

 

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As long as you assholes keep spamming your bullshit then I will keep repeating the fact:

The first post has not been refuted. It stands as fact.

QUOTE

It is Mathematically Impossible for There to be NO Creator

In 1943, the distinguished French mathematician Émile Borel stated that “events with a sufficiently small probability never occur” (Institute of Mathematical Statistics).

Dr. Borel chose a fairly safe number, 10 to the power of 50, written as View attachment 2063

For you average folks, that is expressed as one in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Anything with a lower probability than that would not happen, said Borel the numbers man.

Is it hard to wrap your head around that one? How's this:

The “infinite monkey theorem” this states that if enough monkeys pound the keys of enough typewriters (hundred of trillions?) they will eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare. While this is theoretically possible, in fact, it can never happen, and therefore constitutes a "statistical" or mathematical impossibility.

As for Earth and Man, the odds that the number of variables needed for life to just come about on its own, from the earth being the right size and the right distance from the sun, tilted on the correct axis, to the chemical make-up of all the elements and the combination of water and land, to life itself just spontaneously coming into being, and then evolving into man, and all the millions of other variables that come in between those . . . .the odds of that number of variables actually coming together by chance is far beyond 10 to the power of 50, and therefore while it is theoretically possible, it is actually no more possible than a monkey accidentally typing the entire works of Shakespeare.

So, there you go all you big science and math fans. God must exist. The math says so.

 

[Lagboltz]

As long as you assholes keep spamming your bullshit then I will keep repeating the fact:

The first post has not been refuted. It stands as fact.

In post #35 I asked about the statically independence of the factors going into the calculation, but you didn't give a reference showing the details of how the authors came up with the result. A calculation is not a fact unless the methodology is shown.

Your constant repetition of the same point does not make it a fact. It is rather inane and shows the emptiness of your argument.

 

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Tell me how all matter came into existence.

 

[pjmret]

you're an "impressive' *****!

you STILL don't understand that "mathematically impossible" means zero probability, not low probability. lol.

god you're stupid.

clue for morons you refuted your own post by claiming that a very low probability means mathematically impossible. lol

 

[pjmret]

Tell me how all matter came into existence.

why? I don't care how it did. but it doesn't prove or disprove anything about god.

 

[Lagboltz]

Tell me how all matter came into existence.

To understand how the universe came from nothing you need to understand three things, which were verified by experiment time and again.

1. T-symmetry
Elementary particle (quarks, electrons, pions, etc.) can move forward and backward in time. That is called time reversal symmetry. Larger objects composed of these particles arguably also could do the same, but the statistics are astronomically huge against ever seeing time reversal macroscopically.

2. Uncertainty principle
ΔE x Δt ≥ tiny constant
What this means is that in any event, the uncertainty in energy multiplied by the uncertainty in time is greater than a tiny Planck's constant h = 6.62607015 × 10^−34 joule second. In short, the more exactly time is known, the less exactly energy is known, and vice versa.

3. Vacuum fluctuations - a very simplified description
Because of the above two principles, any elementary particle can be spontaneously created by borrowing energy from the future and then annihilated by returning that energy to the past. This means that vacuum is "not nothing", but it is thriving with activity at the sub-microscopic level.

The theory of the creation of the universe is that a vacuum fluctuation was so huge in an extremely short time that it exceeded a critical limit which caused space-time to explode in a "big bang." There many astronomical observations that support this.

One upshot is that the total energy of the universe is zero because the energy of the mass of the universe is equal to the negative gravitational potential energy. D'souza mocked that energy could be negative. Every physics 101 student knows that potential energy is negative. Hitchens probably didn't know that either, but also didn't make a fool of himself.

A well known story in physics circles: One day in the 1940's Einstein and Gamow were crossing in the middle of a street in Princeton. Gamow mentioned that one of his students had calculated that it was possible to make a star from nothing; its gravitational energy is equal and opposite to rest energy. Einstein, realizing that this could apply to the whole Universe, stopped in his tracks causing several cars to stop.

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[Boris Norris]

Tell me how all matter came into existence.

You tell us how your god made it from nothing?
Exactly what date did he do it?