"Gun Control" fanatics keep pushing schemes that would not have stopped any of the mass shootings

Invincible Ignorance


I am still checking his facts, but most hve panned out..
Thomas Sowell

Must every tragic mass shooting bring out the shrill ignorance of "gun control" advocates?

The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available.

If gun control zealots had any respect for facts, they would have discovered this long ago, because there have been too many factual studies over the years to leave any serious doubt about gun control laws being not merely futile but counterproductive.

Places and times with the strongest gun control laws have often been places and times with high murder rates. Washington, D.C., is a classic example, but just one among many.

When it comes to the rate of gun ownership, that is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas. The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks. For the country as a whole, hand gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

The few counter-examples offered by gun control zealots do not stand up under scrutiny. Perhaps their strongest talking point is that Britain has stronger gun control laws than the United States and lower murder rates.

But, if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries-- and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States. Indeed, neither country had stringent gun control for most of that time.

In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.

Neither guns nor gun control was not the reason for the difference in murder rates. People were the difference.

Yet many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals.

In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s-- after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions-- there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.

Gun control zealots' choice of Britain for comparison with the United States has been wholly tendentious, not only because it ignored the history of the two countries, but also because it ignored other countries with stronger gun control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil and Mexico. All of these countries have higher murder rates than the United States.

You could compare other sets of countries and get similar results. Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.

Guns are not the problem. People are the problem-- including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts.

There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun control advocates.

Some years back, there was a professor whose advocacy of gun control led him to produce a "study" that became so discredited that he resigned from his university. This column predicted at the time that this discredited study would continue to be cited by gun control advocates. But I had no idea that this would happen the very next week in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
 
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Since the title of the thread relates to laws that don't have any effect I propose two that might have an effect.

Option 1) Outlaw and confiscate every gun in the country, then close the borders and search every package that enters the country. Maintain regular police searches of every building, outlaw materials that could be used to build a gun, jail everyone who breaks the laws. Each and every time the law does not put an end to gun violence make even more laws that are stricter still.

Option 2) Put a locked safe on the wall in every school and public building which can be opened by trained deputized staff. When a bad guy tries anything the good guys use their biometric code to open the safe, retrieve the gun/s inside to apprehend the bad guy.

Option 3) Realize that, as the above article said, we have a problem with people so lets start expecting moral behavior from everyone. This is the least expensive of the options which will also result in the least deaths.
 
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This is good....and most logical...one would think the left would understand and accept logic, but no.


If guns are bad, how come:
All high politicians – including Dear Leader and Gauleiter Bloomberg – are surrounded by heavily armed guards?
There is never a mass shooting at a police station?
There is virtually no “gun crime” in Switzerland, even though the Swiss are armed to the teeth, with full-auto military combat rifles in the hands of nearly every adult male between the ages of 18 and 45?
Guns save so many lives each year – including most recently the lives of numerous potential victims of a mass shooting in Oregon at the Clackamas Town Center Mall, where concealed carry permit holder Nick Meli confronted armed killer Jacob Tyler Roberts – who had already shot two people dead … and prevented him from shooting more people dead?
Rural areas tend to have high concentrations of guns relative to urban areas – yet “gun crime” is inexorablyhigher in urban areas while it is almost nonexistent in the rural areas?
Concealed carry permit holders are less likely to be involved in an unjustified (non-defensive) shooting than a cop?
The Obama administration “walked” 2,000 high-powered rifles to Mexican drug cartels?
Some advocates of “sensible” gun control argue that no one needs – take your pick – a semi-automatic pistol or rifle (which means virtually all pistols and rifles that aren’t single-shot Derringers and bolt-action rifles) or a “high capacity” magazine or a weapon over a certain caliber or which has a certain “threatening” (to some) appearance – even if its function is identical to a rifle with a “less menacing” appearance.
Well, who really needs more than $50,000 a year to live on? Or more than an 800 sq. foot dwelling? Does anyone need more car than is sufficient to get from A to B at the posted speed limit? Who really needsanything beyond the bare minimum necessary to maintain one’s physical existence?
Who needs to live to be older than 80? Who needs to have more than one kid?
Do you really need a 40 ounce drink? Or more than one drink of soda per day?
How many calories per day does a person need?
Oh, but guns are different!
Not really. And the principle behind the argument is identical.
If need is to become the justification for allowing us to do (or posses) things, then we are already enslaved in our minds – and soon will be enslaved physically and utterly.

From each according to his abilities… to each according to his needs.
This famous statement is left hanging. The need is neverqualified.
Need – according to whom?
http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/12/19/if-guns-are-bad/
 
this is good....the hypocrisy of the Left is boundless...one would think ALL Americans would see the truth, but sadly many are easily duped.



If Obama Is Opposed To Guns, Why Did His Administration Just Purchase 1.6 Billion Rounds of Ammunition and Sniper Rounds?

In the aftermath of the recent Sandy Hook shooting, Obama and his cohorts are screaming about how they all despise guns and ammo. Guns are the problem in America today, we've been told from every corner of the media, and so the only solution is to get rid of all the guns.
But not exactly. There's one organization in America that's loading up on masses of assault rifles and enough ammunition to run a 10-year shooting war. That organization is, of course, the U.S. federal government and its Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which has purchased a total of 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition to be used domestically, inside the United States.
http://www.naturalnews.com/038407_ammunition_homeland_security_civil_war.html
 
From an e-mail...The cesspool known as Chicago probably has the toughest gun laws in the country, yet despite all the shootings, murders, and bloodshed, you never hear a peep about this from the corrupt state run media. In Chicago, there have been 446 school age children shot in leftist utopia run by Rahm Emanuel and that produced Obama, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, etc. 62 school aged children have actually been killed by crazed nuts in Chicago so far this year with almost two weeks to go. So why isn’t this news worthy? Is it because it would embarrass those anti second amendment nuts who brag about Chicago’s tough gun laws? Is it because most of the kids who were shot and killed were minorities? Or is it because the corrupt media doesn’t want to show Chicago in a bad light? Amazingly, no Obama tears either.

For those of you too dense to get the point of this post, it’s to make the point about gun laws. No matter how tough the gun laws are, the crazed, nut jobs will find a way to get them and if they so chose, use them. No draconian law can stop this, no matter how well intentioned the law is, or if it’s just about leftists grabbing power from citizens and taking away their constitutional rights.
 
For those of you too dense to get the point of this post, it’s to make the point about gun laws. No matter how tough the gun laws are, the crazed, nut jobs will find a way to get them and if they so chose, use them. No draconian law can stop this, no matter how well intentioned the law is, or if it’s just about leftists grabbing power from citizens and taking away their constitutional rights.

The left only has knee jerk reactions to gun crime. Statistics mean squat to them. Maybe because they are a bunch of wusses. I think if they are anti-gun and in favor of gun confiscation, then they should all post a sign in their windows that say "Gun free home". If they should have any problems, they can call 911 and in maybe 20 minutes they'll get help. Maybe.
 
Gregory Mocks LaPierre for Proposing Armed Guards, but Sends Kids to High-Security School

David Gregory mocked the NRA's Wayne LaPierre for proposing that armed guards be at every school in America. But the NBC host seems to have no problem with armed guards protecting his kids everyday where they attend school in Washington, D.C.

The local Junior College in my area has a police department right on campus and has had for years. There has also been a heavy presence of police around the high schools for years.
 
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Gregory Mocks LaPierre for Proposing Armed Guards, but Sends Kids to High-Security School

David Gregory mocked the NRA's Wayne LaPierre for proposing that armed guards be at every school in America. But the NBC host seems to have no problem with armed guards protecting his kids everyday where they attend school in Washington, D.C.

The local Junior College in my area has a police department right on campus and has had for years. There has also been a heavy presence of police around the high schools for years.

Typical hypocrisy common among the Left.

I say Obama should lead by example. He should eliminate the Secret Service and all armed guards around him and his family...and announce it the world.
 
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