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What part of Jamaica did you go to TopGun? I am heading down there myself in a few weeks.

It was good. We stayed at the Royal Decameron Montego Bay. You should have a great time.

Overall the Jamaican people are very laid back & respectful, but with weed being allowed for the Rastas even though it's technically illegal for everyone else you'll be asked every time you turn around if you want to buy something... and that can get a little tiring.

Basically it's one big laid back party. The ocean water is so clear that @ 20' it still looks like bath tub water.

I don't know if you saw on CNN but some crazy Jamaican guy described with "mental issues" tried to hijack a Canadian jet that was stopping in Cuba before going back to Canada. He gave up and no one got hurt.

But we had made friends with a family that was on that exact flight. The Jamaican Tourism Board gave everyone on the plane a free week at a Sandals in Jamaica and they're going back... that should tell ya something!:)

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What twaddle! None of the sickness-produced products of your deviant-sex for money lifestyle graces my table, I have been a vegan for more than 30 years~Mare
As long as I've been around the farm, I've never seen anything as twisted as mutilating an animal's penis and trying to turn it into a female. In the area of doing twisted things to mammals sir, I take my hat off to you humbly..
:rolleyes:

And I'll bet you own something that is leather or made with wood glue in it's parts. Did you know that most furniture is made with farm-animal based wood glue? No? Believe me, your life depends on the AI industry. In a hundred little ways you never thought of..

You owe it to the AI folks to acknowledge their trade, their reliance on the maleability of the sex drive at puberty. Much of what surrounds you in your very home is a direct result of that fact.
 
As long as I've been around the farm, I've never seen anything as twisted as mutilating an animal's penis and trying to turn it into a female. In the area of doing twisted things to mammals sir, I take my hat off to you humbly..
:rolleyes:

And I'll bet you own something that is leather or made with wood glue in it's parts. Did you know that most furniture is made with farm-animal based wood glue? No? Believe me, your life depends on the AI industry. In a hundred little ways you never thought of..

You owe it to the AI folks to acknowledge their trade, their reliance on the maleability of the sex drive at puberty. Much of what surrounds you in your very home is a direct result of that fact.

None of which has anything to do with the twaddle you are troweling out. What is sadly true is that you are doing every day the self-same deviant acts of which you baselessly accuse homosexuals.

A person electing to have a surgical correction of a birth defect under AMA guidelines is very different thing than your predatory sexual attacks on unwilling animals--attacks that amount to rape--for which you get paid.
 
And I'll bet you own something that is leather or made with wood glue in it's parts. Did you know that most furniture is made with farm-animal based wood glue? No? Believe me, your life depends on the AI industry. In a hundred little ways you never thought of...

You might be surprised, I am a professional carpenter/cabinet maker and I use non-animal glues and finishes. Nor do I own anything made of leather.

People lived for thousands without the kind of animal abuse that you perform for money. No ones life depends on what you--just your income.
 
It was good. We stayed at the Royal Decameron Montego Bay. You should have a great time.

Overall the Jamaican people are very laid back & respectful, but with weed being allowed for the Rastas even though it's technically illegal for everyone else you'll be asked every time you turn around if you want to buy something... and that can get a little tiring.

Basically it's one big laid back party. The ocean water is so clear that @ 20' it still looks like bath tub water.


Yea, that sounds pretty good. I am going down with the wife, we rented a house on the beach in Negril through the Moon Dance Resort.

Supposedly they give you a security guard as part of your staff so hopefully that cuts down on the people peddling, but who really knows. Glad to hear that it is as good as it sounds though.

I don't know if you saw on CNN but some crazy Jamaican guy described with "mental issues" tried to hijack a Canadian jet that was stopping in Cuba before going back to Canada. He gave up and no one got hurt.

But we had made friends with a family that was on that exact flight. The Jamaican Tourism Board gave everyone on the plane a free week at a Sandals in Jamaica and they're going back... that should tell ya something!:)

I'll attach some pics to click on...

Thanks for the pictures, they look pretty good. Yea I did hear about that flight, I was kind of surprised that no one at the airport managed to stop the guy since he ran through security and then no one stopped him at the plane entrance as well.

Can't beat a free week in Jamaica though. I would take that.
 
As long as I've been around the farm, I've never seen anything as twisted as mutilating an animal's penis and trying to turn it into a female. In the area of doing twisted things to mammals sir, I take my hat off to you humbly..
:rolleyes:

And I'll bet you own something that is leather or made with wood glue in it's parts. Did you know that most furniture is made with farm-animal based wood glue? No? Believe me, your life depends on the AI industry. In a hundred little ways you never thought of..

You owe it to the AI folks to acknowledge their trade, their reliance on the maleability of the sex drive at puberty. Much of what surrounds you in your very home is a direct result of that fact.


Like the old sheep joke when one farm boy ask the other how he liked having sex with his date last night and he replied... She's not baaaaaaad!:)

Almost if not all you've posted on subjects related to human beings have been little more than weird extrapolations that strive to combine your misconceptions and prejudices in bizarre and groundless attempts to try and justify removing equal rights from anyone not exactly the same as you (but absolutely hurting no one else).:confused:

So why you may well be a somewhat decent farmer when you step over to human clinical research with real controlled test groups OF HUMAN BEINGS including fully documented human studies you are unfortunately simply just competely out of your league.

It's like a true Clinical Researcher thinking he or she could run a major farm because heck... They've eaten corn and know where eggs come from.

If you were honest with yourself you'd just admit this is true and find another subject you were more knowledgeable about...
 
None of which has anything to do with the twaddle you are troweling out. What is sadly true is that you are doing every day the self-same deviant acts of which you baselessly accuse homosexuals.

A person electing to have a surgical correction of a birth defect under AMA guidelines is very different thing than your predatory sexual attacks on unwilling animals--attacks that amount to rape--for which you get paid.

I concur completely Mare!!!

OMG...I grew up {3rd generation ranching/farm industry} and I'm so totally sick & tired of that 'AI' argument being drug into this discussion. 'NUT JOB INCORPORATED' seems fixiated about 'deviant sexuality' and spending to much time collecting semen samples has warped the mind and the ability to think clearly about any thing to do with sexual growth and the separation/difference of animals from human emotional behaviour...GOOD GRIEF :eek:

I'll walk away from this topic in order to ignore same said 'NUT JOB' and if further postings become as twisted and off of topic as this one...I'll place an instant Ignore on that 'NUT JOBS' authors name...LMAO :rolleyes:
 
Yea, that sounds pretty good. I am going down with the wife, we rented a house on the beach in Negril through the Moon Dance Resort.

Supposedly they give you a security guard as part of your staff so hopefully that cuts down on the people peddling, but who really knows. Glad to hear that it is as good as it sounds though.

You'll have a great time... I'd definately go back... it's beautiful down there. They do have a lot of security people down there just because with the locals being so poor they don't want them to bug people and run off tourism.

And just like you wouldn't go downtown into a bad area alone at night here... the same is true down there.

But when you go into town during the day there will be people in nice pressed uniforms & pith helmets (tourist police) that their whole job is to see to it the tourists are happy, feel safe and have any information they might need.


Thanks for the pictures, they look pretty good. Yea I did hear about that flight, I was kind of surprised that no one at the airport managed to stop the guy since he ran through security and then no one stopped him at the plane entrance as well.

Can't beat a free week in Jamaica though. I would take that.

As far as the hijack guy... like they said he was mental. I guess if you think about it if you just made a run for it through security and had a gun to keep people from gang tackling you anyone could get through to a plane... you're not going anywhere...:confused: but you could probably physically get through.

Have a nice relaxing vacation in paradise Rob... and don't let the wife catch ya staring at things like this!:)


 
I bet you're sick and tired of the AI argument being drawn into this debate ASPCA..
:rolleyes:

And being pro-deviant marriage in CA, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the findings of the AI industry are making the deviant crowd more than a little uncomfortable.

The entire hinge of the deviant argument for inclusion in marriage rests on their pleas that they are currenlty being descriminated against in not being allowed to be legally married. However, they are allowed civil unions in most states.

Here's the thing, the AI industry is a nagging and bothersome little reminder that sexual preference isn't inborn or innate...or rather that it is, in the heterosexual sense, but it can be purposefully or accidentally waylaid by the time an individual reaches adulthood.

They don't want to hear about stallions being teased to prefer dummy mounts to the estrus female standing nearby, initially used to tease him for deviant release. They don't want to hear about the bull that will only mount steers after he was first trained by the smells of a nearby estrus cow to prefer only to mount castrated males from then on. They don't want to hear about the boar pig who runs to a stuffed dummy and begins to hump it just on the sounds of his handler approaching with the equipment he knows means "nirvana"...

They don't want to hear this because it means the unthinkable [to them]: it means that their own deviant sexual preference from heterosexuality may be a fixated result of classical conditioning, a miswiring of a normal drive to prefer the opposite gender...some mishap or frustration that resulted in association of orgasm to stimuli other than the opposite gender.

And my heart goes out to them in that fate is a cruel mistress. But their fate gone awry does not justify the rest of society rewriting the terms of normalcy, just because a few of us got screwed over [pardon the pun].

How will gay marriage affect society? It's a question that few proponents of it want explored, much less answered; evidenced in this thread in spades. They are "tired of hearing" the evidence about the origins of homosexuality. They resort to diversions, name-calling, group attacks, anything [oh please God, anything] to get me to shut up about it..:cool: I would say it is accurate to surmise that the vehemence to which they wish to shut down this discussion is the inverse proportion to which we should.

Before we normalize anything in society, we should discuss social contagions, human behavior and what we already know from our animal bretheren about how sexual-preference originates. We should think about potential to affect future generations. Choosing to ignore facts about human sexuality, and sexuality of mammals in general when seeking to normalize clearly deviant forms to our knowledge of sex to procreate...well that folks is treading on thin ice.

Deviant sex is deviant sex. Mainstreaming anything that is deviant should be examined with an electron microscope before the rubber stamp of "go-ahead kids" [always implied when society condones something directly or indirectly] is given.
 
The real question to me ...
is WHAT is the LAW doing to relationships?
There are BUSINESS relationships where the parties sign contracts that specify a lot of "what ifs" and they have the business relationship based on that contract.

There is also the MARRIAGE CONTRACT, and let me be perfectly clear about this, any two people can love eachother and make commitments WITHOUT the LAW being involved at all, the major reason for the CONTRACT is that the LAW administers so much of life in general, that people MUST have some sort of "official documented" agreement in order to function at all.

There are all sorts of cases where if one partner is hospitialized and the other partner (spouse...) desires access, the marriage CONTRACT cuts through the B.S. and simplifies the process. There are a LOT of other instances when the Marriage Contract makes life so much simpler for all concerned.

All we are talking about (and I would be in favor of calling ALL "marriage" contracts, what they really are and that is CIVIL UNIONS under the law)
is a legal short-cut, it is possible to set up the same sorts of conditions that "marriage" involves, with contracts between two people (any two people), but what so many people are geting all angry about is the word MARRIAGE! LEAVE IT OUT! under the law if my spouse & I are legally in a CIVIL UNION or what, does that alter the fact that we love eachother?

If my neighbors just happen to be two women who live together and no matter what the contract with the state happens to be.... they are still there living together and I have a choice to either lie to my kids about what is going on, or let my kids learn the truth and deal with it?

The thing that I found really sick and twisted was the advertising campaign launched by the prop 8 faction that implied that gays would force homosexuality on to little kids in the public schools (also implying that parents would loose control over their kids education....) it was an unadulterated SCARE campaign and what is truly sick, it worked!

its a sick sad world!
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Sihouette: However, they are allowed civil unions in most states.

Since you lack justification {sans any proof} for this statement in that continual blather about 'deviant sexual acts between animals', WTH are you finding any of this documentation. WHAT/WHERE ARE THOSE 'MOST STATES' ALLOW CIVIL UNIONS??? But never mind...you'll not answer and just end up with another excuse to unload a bilge pail full of 'deviant sexual' words to spew on this page.

Good points and a wonderful attempt to bring the topic back full circle 'n0spam4me'...but as with everything posted on POINT...this too shall be ignored!
 
As long as I've been around the farm, I've never seen anything as twisted as mutilating an animal's penis and trying to turn it into a female. In the area of doing twisted things to mammals sir, I take my hat off to you humbly...

Numinus said:
You're the one who consented to having a vagina sewed on to where your penis used to be and I'm the one with dumb ideas, eh?


What I find peculiar is that the very people who give me the most grief over repair of a birth defect (see the two statements above) are the same people who make that repair so important because they are the very ones who will not allow people to live out in the middle between the genders WHERE THEY WERE BORN. Siho's deviant theory doesn't address the very real physical effects of being transsexual because she can't find a way to make "deviant conversion" retroactive to the time before birth when the developmental problems formed the body with a mix of sexual characteristics.

These are also the people with the poorest educations, the ones who have no knowledge of the subject but just a head full of hate and fear. I was denied medical care at hospitals and doctor's offices when I lived as I had been born, but now that I've had the surgical repair I look like all the other women in the world and I have not been discriminated against.

I try to remain philosophical about the bigotry though, maybe Siho's and Num's kids will be smarter than their progenitors.
 
The real question to me ...
is WHAT is the LAW doing to relationships?
There are BUSINESS relationships where the parties sign contracts that specify a lot of "what ifs" and they have the business relationship based on that contract.

There is also the MARRIAGE CONTRACT, and let me be perfectly clear about this, any two people can love eachother and make commitments WITHOUT the LAW being involved at all, the major reason for the CONTRACT is that the LAW administers so much of life in general, that people MUST have some sort of "official documented" agreement in order to function at all.

There are all sorts of cases where if one partner is hospitialized and the other partner (spouse...) desires access, the marriage CONTRACT cuts through the B.S. and simplifies the process. There are a LOT of other instances when the Marriage Contract makes life so much simpler for all concerned.

All we are talking about (and I would be in favor of calling ALL "marriage" contracts, what they really are and that is CIVIL UNIONS under the law)
is a legal short-cut, it is possible to set up the same sorts of conditions that "marriage" involves, with contracts between two people (any two people), but what so many people are geting all angry about is the word MARRIAGE! LEAVE IT OUT! under the law if my spouse & I are legally in a CIVIL UNION or what, does that alter the fact that we love eachother?

If my neighbors just happen to be two women who live together and no matter what the contract with the state happens to be.... they are still there living together and I have a choice to either lie to my kids about what is going on, or let my kids learn the truth and deal with it?

The thing that I found really sick and twisted was the advertising campaign launched by the prop 8 faction that implied that gays would force homosexuality on to little kids in the public schools (also implying that parents would loose control over their kids education....) it was an unadulterated SCARE campaign and what is truly sick, it worked!

its a sick sad world!
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I agree with you, marriage should be taken out of the law and civil unions instituted in its place. Everyone who wishes to form a legal contract with other(s) consenting adults gets a civil union license first which guarantees all the legal rights and responsibilities AND THEN if they wish to get some ol' time religion troweled on they can go to the church of their choice. Lots and lots of churches will marry gay couples as soon as it's legal since not all people are like Siho.
 
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OK, just to be clear, you consider having been born with a penis and testicles a "birth defect" that needed surgical amputation to correct? And you insist that this was because your "brain" is "female".. And in no way is your insistance born of deep-seated psychological issues...

That, folks, is the new "normal".. get used to it....
 
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