Apocalypse now?' What Europe's media thought of the Trump speech

[Openmind]

I found it is futile arguing with Trumpies. Their loyalty has no limits. Many now believe almost everything Trump says, including the media being fake news. I don't think there is any hope in uniting the huge divide between right and left. The US is screwed.

Sadly, I believe you are correct! America is being destroyed in its core, all that is beautiful, the land, the diversity, the people, the kindness, everything is being attacked by this cabinet in search of greed and power.

It will get worse before it gets better. I hope enough people will react, soon enough so we can come back from this abyss that relatively so few are driving us to.

 

[grumpy]

The question is. . .is the "horse's mouth" straight?

I have no idea.. but I will take someone at their word until proven otherwise..

 

[grumpy]

Are you kidding? Bernie's home cost under $600,000 and was bought partially with the sale of a house his wife inherited from her family! You want to know what Bernie did with his funds? For one thing, I GOT A REFUND of some of my donation because I gave more than a certain amount!
NO ONE EVER (except extreme right) has accused Bernie Sanders of personally benefitting from his campaign . ..UNLIKE Donald Trump and his family! What happened to the Trump's foundation fund that were used for Trump's campaign?

Bernie is probably one of the only ethical and honest politicians today. If you can't take that. . .you really are brainwashed! Look at his worth. . .and look at Trump's "assumed" wealth, and the number of his bankruptcies! Look at the contractors he has refused to pay

Unlike you, I didn't accuse him of anything. I said it was Hearsay.(just making a point) that was a lot of words aimed at someone who might just agree with you.. His hearts in the right place, It's just that we can't afford his policies.. Nor should we have to..

 

[Openmind]

thanks for the response, but still nothing to show he broke the law.. sense you seem to like hearsay what did Bernie do with his funds? Did he buy another home, have you seen his new car? As far as Benghazi.there more news out last week proving her and the president lied..

Really? And what news. . .and where did those news come from?
Seems to me that you may be willing to take any negative news about Hillary or Obama at face value. . .but you don't seem to care about those news being debunked so often!

When you talk about "news," would you please provide the source, so we can all decide whether to consider them as "factual," or "fake"? Thank you.

And about what you heard "from the horse's mouth," did you hear Flynn say that he had only called the Russian ambassadeur to wish him happy holidays? . . .his story was proven false.
It is pretty clear that every day there are new revelations about those conversations. . .and WHO knew about it. In my OPINION, Trump was the instigator of those conversations. . .if not one of the participant!

But, I acknowledge that it is my instinct, my opinion, (and that of quite a few people). I do not spread this as being "news" until it becomes NEWS that is actually confirmed by reliable sources.

 

[grumpy]

I found it is futile arguing with Trumpies. Their loyalty has no limits. Many now believe almost everything Trump says, including the media being fake news. I don't think there is any hope in uniting the huge divide between right and left. The US is screwed.

That's a little bit like I felt when Obama was elected, and I was right..Lets hope your wrong about Trump..

 

[grumpy]

Really? And what news. . .and where did those news come from?
Seems to me that you may be willing to take any negative news about Hillary or Obama at face value. . .but you don't seem to care about those news being debunked so often!

When you talk about "news," would you please provide the source, so we can all decide whether to consider them as "factual," or "fake"? Thank you.

I'm sorry your Hinus, I forgot you probably don't watch any thing that might hurt your feelings, but I will try and honor your wishes..

 

[Openmind]

Unlike you, I didn't accuse him of anything. I said it was Hearsay.(just making a point) that was a lot of words aimed at someone who might just agree with you.. His hearts in the right place, It's just that we can't afford his policies.. Nor should we have to..

We can't afford Sanders' policies? But you think we can afford TRUMP's policies of "building a wall," increasing spending on military equipment and nuclear stock pile (when we already have enough to blow the whole world up 10 times), abandoning every environmental progress to go back to antiquated, sundown energy sources such as coal and oil, give huge tax breaks to big corporations, give a free hand to the healthcare industry, and take away coverage from 20 million people, cut social security and medicare, give money to Israel, but cut money to our REAL European allies, pay AS MUCH in one month to keep the Trump family safe, than we paid in a WHOLE YEAR to keep the Obama family safe?

You really believe that? You really think we can afford to piss off China, but to brown nose Russia?

Well. . .maybe we don't have much to talk about then! Good luck to you!

 

[Old_Trapper70]

Ok trapper.. i'll give you a hint.. she said it to congress at her hearings..

"She said"? But YOU said "some aren't even taking a salary". Now, let me give you a "hint", you lied, you have no source for your lies, and again, you are the fool.

Then too, why would billionaires want a 100,000 dollar salary when they can use their office to make millions like Trump has.

 

[grumpy]

Are you kidding? Bernie's home cost under $600,000 and was bought partially with the sale of a house his wife inherited from her family! You want to know what Bernie did with his funds? For one thing, I GOT A REFUND of some of my donation because I gave more than a certain amount!
NO ONE EVER (except extreme right) has accused Bernie Sanders of personally benefitting from his campaign . ..UNLIKE Donald Trump and his family! What happened to the Trump's foundation fund that were used for Trump's campaign?

Bernie is probably one of the only ethical and honest politicians today. If you can't take that. . .you really are brainwashed! Look at his worth. . .and look at Trump's "assumed" wealth, and the number of his bankruptcies! Look at the contractors he has refused to pay

http://time.com/venezuela-brink/
Thanks to its abundant natural resources, Venezuela used to be the richest country in Latin America.. . That was before socialists took power.

NOW

In 2016 Venezuela became the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere, sinking below Haiti and Cuba, according to new statistics released by la Encuesta Nacional de Condiciones de Vida (Encovi).

According to these statistics, 82% of Venezuelan households are poor.

If Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro could do this to Venezuela, Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren and whoever comes next could do it to the USA by applying the same devastating ideology. It may take awhile longer but in the long run it could still happen..Nothing is free someone always pays for it..

Why is America so RICH? Short answer: Because Americans have found out that economic freedom works, and coercion does not. It’s a lesson we have learned more than once or at least some of us have..

 

[Openmind]

http://time.com/venezuela-brink/
Thanks to its abundant natural resources, Venezuela used to be the richest country in Latin America.. . That was before socialists took power.

NOW

In 2016 Venezuela became the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere, sinking below Haiti and Cuba, according to new statistics released by la Encuesta Nacional de Condiciones de Vida (Encovi).

According to these statistics, 82% of Venezuelan households are poor.

If Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro could do this to Venezuela, Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren and whoever comes next could do it to the USA by applying the same devastating ideology. It may take awhile longer but in the long run it could still happen..Nothing is free someone always pays for it..

Why is America so RICH? Short answer: Because Americans have found out that economic freedom works, and coercion does not. It’s a lesson we have learned more than once or at least some of us have..

You are confusing Socialism and Social democracy. Venezuela has been destroyed by on-going conflicts, and its society has always been led by the very wealthy with huge income gaps. . . .basically what is happening to the US!

Like so many Right wing people, it seems that you have very little knowledge about the different politics in this world. It seems that some people believe that, if you're not a capitalist society, you must be a Communist. . .which too many equate to socialist! So silly!

Europe has had social democracy for ever, and it would behoove you to LEARN about social democracy. This might help you realise that social democracies are FULL democracies, that balance the SOCIAL needs of the people with CAPITALISM. It is in fact Capitalism. . .with a social conscience. This is the kind of "socialism" that Sanders has been advocating. . .NOT full blown socialism, certainly not communism, but a sustainable type of Capitalism, with narrower income gaps, with more support for those who risk to fall through the cracks of society, with a partnership between private industries and government.

Industries, commerce thrive in this kind of environment, and people experience les traumatic unmet needs, healthcare being one of them, but not the only one. Education, is another, protection from the uncontrolled greed of the very wealthy is also part of the system.

No, Social democracies are NOT PERFECT. . .but they have demonstrated that they are SUSTAINABLE and that the people in those countries thrive, that research and development thrives, that children are protected from deep poverty and poor health.

Yes, Social democracies requires (generally) a higher tax. . .but then again, it USES those taxes to better the life of its people (including through universal healthcare. . .which is established in partnership with private healthcare insurance), the infrastructure is less likely to fail, workers have more security and, if they lose their job, there is more protection to help them to continue meeting their financial obligations and to feed their family. Sure there are excess. . .like people staying on unemployment longer than reasonably needed, but as I said before, it is not perfect. . .but it is a hell of a lot better than the runaway capitalism that has taken us to the 2008 crash, or that chooses to give huge tax break and corporate welfare to the wealthiest, while ignoring the needs of the poor, the elderly, the disabled, and even the middle class.

You really should learn a little more about social democracies. . .and preferably from a NON-PARTISAN source!

 

[grumpy]

You are confusing Socialism and Social democracy. Venezuela has been destroyed by on-going conflicts, and its society has always been led by the very wealthy with huge income gaps. . . .basically what is happening to the US!

Like so many Right wing people, it seems that you have very little knowledge about the different politics in this world. It seems that some people believe that, if you're not a capitalist society, you must be a Communist. . .which too many equate to socialist! So silly!

Europe has had social democracy for ever, and it would behoove you to LEARN about social democracy. This might help you realise that social democracies are FULL democracies, that balance the SOCIAL needs of the people with CAPITALISM. It is in fact Capitalism. . .with a social conscience. This is the kind of "socialism" that Sanders has been advocating. . .NOT full blown socialism, certainly not communism, but a sustainable type of Capitalism, with narrower income gaps, with more support for those who risk to fall through the cracks of society, with a partnership between private industries and government.

Industries, commerce thrive in this kind of environment, and people experience les traumatic unmet needs, healthcare being one of them, but not the only one. Education, is another, protection from the uncontrolled greed of the very wealthy is also part of the system.

No, Social democracies are NOT PERFECT. . .but they have demonstrated that they are SUSTAINABLE and that the people in those countries thrive, that research and development thrives, that children are protected from deep poverty and poor health.

Yes, Social democracies requires (generally) a higher tax. . .but then again, it USES those taxes to better the life of its people (including through universal healthcare. . .which is established in partnership with private healthcare insurance), the infrastructure is less likely to fail, workers have more security and, if they lose their job, there is more protection to help them to continue meeting their financial obligations and to feed their family. Sure there are excess. . .like people staying on unemployment longer than reasonably needed, but as I said before, it is not perfect. . .but it is a hell of a lot better than the runaway capitalism that has taken us to the 2008 crash, or that chooses to give huge tax break and corporate welfare to the wealthiest, while ignoring the needs of the poor, the elderly, the disabled, and even the middle class.

You really should learn a little more about social democracies. . .and preferably from a NON-PARTISAN source!

Why does it always seem like your trying to talk down to me.. YOU SAID...You really should learn a little more about social democracies. . .and preferably from a NON-PARTISAN source! NO MAM, You should, America is what it is because we're not like Europe. Are you trying to tell me any part of Europe is better then what we have here. America is in far better shape then any part of Europe. Tell me please what part of America is good, is it the fact that our military either directly or indirectly protects over half the world and our tax dollars go to support that effort, thru NATO. We are twenty Trillion dollars in debt and your telling me that the liberal policies that Bernie and others propose are viable. Sorry, your the one who needs a lesson in economics. We are 350 million strong today. Bernies numbers won't work here. You guys are delusional..
PS, I'm not confusing anything.. you are, your confusing want to be fiction with reality..

I hope this isn't to simple for you.. there are plenty more..

 

[Old_Trapper70]

Why does it always seem like your trying to talk down to me.. YOU SAID...You really should learn a little more about social democracies. . .and preferably from a NON-PARTISAN source! NO MAM, You should, America is what it is because we're not like Europe. Are you trying to tell me any part of Europe is better then what we have here. America is in far better shape then any part of Europe. Tell me please what part of America is good, is it the fact that our military either directly or indirectly protects over half the world and our tax dollars go to support that effort, thru NATO. We are twenty Trillion dollars in debt and your telling me that the liberal policies that Bernie and others propose are viable. Sorry, your the one who needs a lesson in economics. We are 350 million strong today. Bernies numbers won't work here. You guys are delusional..
PS, I'm not confusing anything.. you are, your confusing want to be fiction with reality.

Is America really "rich" when over 40% of the population don't earn enough to have to pay taxes, and 10% earn so much that tax loopholes are created so they don't have to pay taxes? Bernie's numbers don't work simply because so much of America's wealth is given to the 10%, (and Trumps won't work any more then Reagans did, or that of GW Bush)) and the 90% remaining have to fight for the 40% not given to the 10%. And why not show some facts when you say that the European counties that have Democratic Socialism are worse off then the US? Reality is you cannot prove that comment, and you know it. And when you are shown that the Founding Fathers opposed the ideology you follow you will just ignore it as you do so much:

From Christ, to Jefferson, to Abraham Lincoln, the aristocracy you pay homage to was feared, and opposed:

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/04/the...as_piketty_–_and_feared_a_powerful_1_percent/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.5f90340c5515

But people like you see the word "socialism" and then associate that with communism, and away you go never being able to come to the truth:

https://www.quora.com/Would-Nordic-style-democratic-socialism-work-effectively-in-the-United-States

 

[Walter]

Bernie endorsed Hillary well after the primaries were over. He definitely was appalled by Trump becoming president more than Hillary winning.

The election was about choosing pest or cholera. Pretty hard choice. I'm pretty sure Trump couldnt have won if the Democrats had a better candidate.

 

[The Scotsman]

Sadly, I believe you are correct! America is being destroyed in its core,

I don't think its just America. One can see and feel it in Europe as well as I guess you know living in Belgium (why Belgium?? I once lived just outside Mons it’s a doghole!...the French half which says it all I guess) Anyway, it seems to this dour Scot that the Kantian values which the centrist political parties have tried to imposed over the last 20 years set against the macro-economic concepts of the globalists are now coming apart at the seams. Europe and I guess America is having to rethink its place and role in the world and come to terms with a new dynamic.

IMHO the world needs a different sort of political perspective (and possibly style of leadership) in order to first understand and face the challenges and the limitations of Kantian philosophy and the impact of globalisation on its populations that feel they have been left behind. And, second to forge a new understanding of how countries can interact economically whilst upholding the innate values and asperations of its citizens.

In the 1970s to 1990s the UK was undergoing massive social and political upheaval and we had Thatcher who IMHO is one of the best leaders we have every had – she was a strong leader. Her politics and methods where anathema to many but she had a job to do and did it and I think as a result of her premiership the country grow stronger. The UK is going through Brexit and again we need a strong leader to see our country through this seminal social and political upheaval, May is the current PM and time will tell on her custody of the country.

The US is likewise in a state of flux for pretty much the same reason as Europe – it too needs to find its way in the world pitted against the same pervasive “liberalisation” of the centrist world order and to compete with the thrall of the globalisationists. Trump did not cause this, he and the 4th cyclist clique have dipped their toes in the water and made their pitch.

Can Trump be a strong leader? Trump is essentially a blustering trumpet for a populace view that thinks they have lost their voice and values and have found a mouthpiece for their frustrations which is fine. Trump now has a platform and whilst his rhetoric is banal and confused he must deliver what he promised the American people and I wish him and them well BUT he is a hip shooter and from what I’ve seen possesses little common sense thus the onus and responsibility lays firmly with congress and the senate to rein him in and guide him on this path.

To build stronger perhaps you need to destroy?

 

[The Scotsman]

Biggest complaint I have with sanders was him endorsing hrc. Called into question his integrity. But to be fair I really don't care about that. Just the wrong thing to subject his supporters to.

Yup I think you're right. I didn't think he was right for the job in all honesty I guess he was a nice guy and had nice liberal point of view but couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.