Al Gore Lies About Gloabl Warming Scandal

MrSheepish wrote -
Asur, is this whole "manipulation of data" thing you were upset about just the fact that someone mixed different datasets together in a single presentation?

That's only part of the problem.
The manipulation goes beyond mixing datasets.

In the case you mentioned, they mixed datasets as the original
dataset(tree rings) didn't achieve the warming they were looking for.
So they discarded it and used another that fit their curve!
 
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Do you get the feeling the Global Warming scammers like Al Gore, Briffa and Mann are receiving a message from Mother Nature?
 
Well... I'd been watching for any replies to a post that I made a few days ago that seems to have "disappeared". Don't know why, as the snot in it wasn't that bad--certainly no worse than yours. Anyhow, here's most of it again:

Sorry, I keep thinking that maybe you can provide me with a significant example of the cherry picking being performed by this vast conspiracy you constantly refer to. As in, will you ever tell what this real temperature data is that you keep saying the scientific community is ignoring?
Sure would be nice if you’d learn to do your own research, as I don’t really have the time to hold your hand through all of this. How about Delta18O for your basic starters? From Nature:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v405/n6785/full/405442a0.html

So… that takes us to scientific research from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/274/5292/1503

The effects of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age in The Congo demonstrated in the fossil record (but they don’t call it that in the abstract):

http://hol.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/19/1/79

Off the coast of Spain:

http://hol.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/12/4/459

Effects upon the Mayans during the change from the one period to the other:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/299/5613/1731

That’s about all I’ve got the time for at the moment. There’s only about 5 billion various research papers like that out there plus or minus a few million (joke).

I'm curious about this. Can you explain why you think that having less circulation of air between the polar and equatorial regions would cause Arctic warming? I would naively expect the opposite.
I didn’t say “less circulation”… I said more, but without using that exact phrasing. What DID you think “more longitudinal atmospheric flows” meant?
 
Pidgey, *this* is what you claimed:
In order to make the most recent cyclical warming look much worse than it really is, they figured that they needed to statistically get rid of the Medeival Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. That is, they needed to "flatten out" the worldwide temperature anomalies of the past. That's what produced the infamous Hockey Stick.

Therefore, they cherry-picked what they could that would support recent warming while possibly showing a somewhat flatter yesteryear. The tree rings and other such "proxy" data is used to reconstruct the past, not so much of today's temperatures. That other proxies like delta 18O and cave formation (stalagmites and stalactites) data show otherwise is conveniently swept under the rug or kept repressed by BigEnvironment blood money.

I repeatedly ask you to back up your claims of fraud, data-manipulation, and that the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than today. Finally you sort of respond:

Sure would be nice if you’d learn to do your own research, as I don’t really have the time to hold your hand through all of this.

Uh, yeah. I'll just pretend that you said something that wasn't completely ridiculous there.


What exactly are these supposed to support? That scientists are researching the Medieval Warm Period? That they are publishing their findings in very high profile places (Science and Nature)? That there are places where things were warm?

The effects of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age in The Congo demonstrated in the fossil record (but they don’t call it that in the abstract):

http://hol.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/19/1/79

And they are also studying rain in the Congo.

What part of your accusations are these papers supposed to support? I see no evidence of data-manipulation, nor do I see any evidence that the ~dozen datasets that I presented which all disagree with you are wrong. If you can explain what these references have to do with your points then I'll look at the others.

I didn’t say “less circulation”… I said more, but without using that exact phrasing. What DID you think “more longitudinal atmospheric flows” meant?

I guess I naively though it meant atmospheric flow in the longitudinal direction (east-west), therefore, not circulating warm air to the poles where it would cause melting.
 
I guess I naively though it meant atmospheric flow in the longitudinal direction (east-west), therefore, not circulating warm air to the poles where it would cause melting.
Latitudes are lines running east-west, longitudes run north-south. Try the Wikipedia.

You claimed you originally gave me data from historical proxies. That wasn't data--it was a construct based on Heaven-only-knows-what actual data. That's half the point from the Climategate crap--the "scientists" involved literally refuse to disclose the data or methods used to generate their conclusions. That's why the FOIA requests have been going on for so long. Normally, scientists publish all that to gain the "peer review" rating and it can be there for all to see.

Real data is far more... complex. Cores to demonstrate millenial variations from river outlets conclusively show very significant differences in the two periods cited. If denigrating language is all you actually have to show, then I just don't see a conversation here. I only seeing you trying to push a political agenda, with no real desire to examine anything that might disabuse you of your opinion. You didn't ask so much as one question about the simple info provided in the abstracts of any of those links--why not?
 
MrSheepish wrote -

That's only part of the problem.
The manipulation goes beyond mixing datasets.

In the case you mentioned, they mixed datasets as the original
dataset(tree rings) didn't achieve the warming they were looking for.
So they discarded it and used another that fit their curve!

Or ... maybe he thought it was not worth confusing his audience by showing a false decline in temperatures that was the result of the divergence problem, so he replaced the proxy data with real data for the period where the proxy data is known to be wrong. It depends on the context and on how he presented things just how shady that is. But if anything is shady, it is only in the technical sense of whether he is hiding a complication in the interest of presenting a clear message. What it clearly is not about is creating a false sense of warming. He was using *real data* to show what the temperatures look like instead of tree ring proxies, and this real data is consistent between all sources of direct measurements. If you are calling that biased then you are calling reality biased.
 
Latitudes are lines running east-west, longitudes run north-south. Try the Wikipedia.

From your link: "Longitude ... is the geographic coordinate most commonly used in cartography and global navigation for east-west measurement". I understand what you mean now, you are referring longitude in the sense that you are saying the winds do not move in a longitudinal direction. I interpreted it in the opposite way.

You claimed you originally gave me data from historical proxies. That wasn't data--it was a construct based on Heaven-only-knows-what actual data.

It was proxy data based upon tree rings, ice cores, and I think some other things were in there too, I'd have to go back and look. You are welcome to look as well, the information is all in the report.

That's half the point from the Climategate crap--the "scientists" involved literally refuse to disclose the data or methods used to generate their conclusions.

Ah come on, they publish papers about what they did, in significant detail. There have been some rotten cases where individuals have refused to release the raw data (and that's clearly bad), but you can understand most of what they did from their publications.

Real data is far more... complex. Cores to demonstrate millenial variations from river outlets conclusively show very significant differences in the two periods cited. If denigrating language is all you actually have to show, then I just don't see a conversation here. I only seeing you trying to push a political agenda, with no real desire to examine anything that might disabuse you of your opinion. You didn't ask so much as one question about the simple info provided in the abstracts of any of those links--why not?

I did ask a question and I'll repeat it now: what point are you trying to express with these links? I really don't understand, because they clearly aren't supporting your claims I was challenging you on: that the Medieval Warm period was hot (hotter than today's temperatures you have claimed) and was being manipulated to look colder. Maybe you think these links support that, but you'll have to explain why you think that. Or you'll have to explain what the point is that you're actually trying to make. Is it that proxy data might be wrong? If so then I'll agree with you there, that's why it's important to look at many different sources of proxy data and take uncertainties based upon their disagreements with one another. But that's not at all what I was challenging you on.
 
Mr Sheepish wrote -
so he replaced the proxy data with real data for the period where the proxy data is known to be wrong.

Who said the proxy data was wrong? Briffa?

It's funny how the proxy data is OK with Briffa as long as it shows global warming, but where it doesn't he has to throw those parts out?

Please, this doesn't even pass the smell test.
 
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But a paper has discovered a series of new flaws in it including:

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* The publication of inaccurate data on the potential of wave power to produce electricity around the world, which was wrongly attributed to the website of a commercial wave-energy company.

* Claims based on information in press releases and newsletters.

* New examples of statements based on student dissertations, two of which were unpublished.

* More claims which were based on reports produced by environmental pressure groups.

They are the latest in a series of damaging revelations about the IPCC’s most recent report, published in 2007.

Last month, the panel was forced to issue a humiliating retraction after it emerged statements about the melting of Himalayan glaciers were inaccurate.

Last weekend, this paper revealed that the panel had based claims about disappearing mountain ice on anecdotal evidence in a student’s dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine.

And on Friday, it emerged that the IPCC’s panel had wrongly reported that more than half of the Netherlands was below sea level because it had failed to check information supplied by a Dutch government agency.

Researchers insist the errors are minor and do not impact on the overall conclusions about climate change.

However, senior scientists are now expressing concern at the way the IPCC compiles its reports and have hit out at the panel’s use of so-called “grey literature” — evidence from sources that have not been subjected to scientific *scrutiny.

A new poll has revealed that public belief in climate change is weakening.The panel’s controversial chair, Rajendra Pachauri, pictured right, is facing pressure to resign over the affair.

The IPCC attempted to counter growing criticism by releasing a statement insisting that authors who contribute to its 3,000-page report are required to “critically assess and review the quality and validity of each source” when they use material from unpublished or non-peer-reviewed sources. Drafts of the reports are checked by scientific reviewers before they are subjected to line-by-line approval by the 130 member countries of the IPCC.

Despite these checks, a diagram used to demonstrate the potential for generating electricity from wave power has been found to contain numerous errors.

The source of information for the diagram was cited as the website of UK-based wave-energy company Wavegen. Yet the diagram on Wavegen’s website contains dramatically different figures for energy potential off Britain and Alaska and in the Bering Sea.

When contacted by The Sunday Telegraph, Wavegen insisted that the diagram on its website had not been changed. It added that it was not the original source of the data and had simply reproduced it on its website.

The diagram is widely cited in other literature as having come from a paper on wave energy produced by the Institute of Mechanical Engineering in 1991 along with data from the European Directory of Renewable Energy.

Experts claim that, had the IPCC checked the citation properly, it would have spotted the discrepancies.

It can also be revealed that claims made by the IPCC about the effects of global warming, and suggestions about ways it could be avoided, were partly based on information from ten dissertations by Masters students.

One unpublished dissertation was used to support the claim that sea-level rise could impact on people living in the Nile delta and other African coastal areas, although the main focus of the thesis, by a student at the Al-Azhar University in Cairo, appears to have been the impact of computer software on environmental development.

The IPCC also made use of a report by US conservation group Defenders of Wildlife to state that salmon in US streams have been affected by rising temperatures. The panel has already come under fire for using information in reports by conservation charity the WWF.

Estimates of carbon-dioxide emissions from nuclear power stations and claims that suggested they were cheaper than coal or gas power stations were also taken from the website of the World Nuclear Association, rather than using independent scientific calculations.

Such revelations are creating growing public confusion over climate change. A poll by Ipsos on behalf of environmental consultancy firm Euro RSCG revealed that the proportion of the public who believe in the reality of climate change has dropped from 44 per cent to 31per cent in the past year.

The proportion of people who believe that climate change is a bit over-exaggerated rose from 22 per cent to 31per cent.

Climate scientists have expressed frustration with the IPCC’s use of unreliable evidence.

Alan Thorpe, chief executive of the Natural Environment Research Council, the biggest funder of climate science in the UK, said: “We should only be dealing with peer-reviewed literature. We open ourselves up to trouble if we start getting into hearsay and grey literature. We have enough research that has been peer-reviewed to provide evidence for climate change, so it is concerning that the IPCC has strayed from that.”

Professor Bob Watson, who chaired the IPCC before Dr Pachauri and is now chief scientist at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, insisted that despite the errors there was little doubt that human-induced climate change was a reality.

But he called for changes in the way the IPCC compiles future reports.

“It is concerning that these mistakes have appeared in the IPCC report, but there is no doubt the earth’s climate is changing and the only way we can explain those changes is primarily human activity,” he said.

Mr Watson said that Dr Pachauri “cannot be personally blamed for one or two incorrect sentences in the IPCC report”, but stressed that the chairman must take responsibility for correcting errors.

Another row over the IPCC report emerged last night after Professor Roger Pielke Jnr, from Colorado University’s Centre for Science and Technology Policy Research, claimed its authors deliberately ignored a paper he wrote that contradicted the panel’s claims about the cost of climate-related natural disasters.

A document included a statement from an anonymous IPCC author saying that they believed Dr Pielke had changed his mind on the matter, when he had not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...New-errors-in-IPCC-climate-change-report.html

It ain't just Al Gore that lies about climate to make money!

Little kids worldwide will go hungry to make the Al Gore's of Global Warming rich!
 
Mr Sheepish wrote -

Who said the proxy data was wrong? Briffa?

It's in the linkthat I put in my previous post. The skeptics agree with this, except for when they're taking the "hide the decline" quote out of context.

It's funny how the proxy data is OK with Briffa as long as it shows global warming, but where it doesn't he has to throw those parts out?

Please, this doesn't even pass the smell test.

If by "doesn't pass the smell test", what you mean is "this is not an example of faking a warming trend because the warming comes out of the replacement of proxy data that has been shown to be wrong with real data" then I agree with you. What you have shown is an example of a scientist hiding some complications in the method he was using. That's all.
 
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It ain't just Al Gore that lies about climate to make money!

Little kids worldwide will go hungry to make the Al Gore's of Global Warming rich!

Am I supposed to be surprised or shocked that there are some inaccuracies in a >1000 page scientific report?
 
More proof the Global Warming Theory doesn't hold water:

A few years ago prominent Democrats and scientists pointed to a lack of snow in the US as proof of Global Warming.

They must be feeling silly today:

Forget red and blue — color America white. There was snow on the ground in 49 states Friday. Hawaii was the only holdout.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100213/ap_on_re_us/us_united_states_of_snow


yet, they're trucking snow in to the winter olympics. Maybe they should have been held in DC instead.:rolleyes:
 
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