9/11 - Italian TV Network Covers WTC 7 Evidence

[USMC the Almighty]

At least you admit not everyone thinks alike.

That's my whole point. You guys need to pick one conspiracy and stick with it. Was it "controlled demolition"? Was it merely foreknowledge? etc.

Perhaps ya'll should unionize...

 

[KeepOurFreedoms]

That's my whole point. You guys need to pick one conspiracy and stick with it. Was it "controlled demolition"? Was it merely foreknowledge? etc.

Perhaps ya'll should unionize...

Perhaps you should learn how to spell Y'all.

 

[USMC the Almighty]

Perhaps you should learn how to spell Y'all.

Perhaps it's not a real word (it's a sound) and thus I can choose to spell it however I wish.

 

[Dave]

Attack? you must be joking.

Once again, provide some evidence that something said in the article is false, or stop dismissing what it is saying.

 

[Rokerijdude11]

Care to actually address the information presented in the article instead of simply attacking the people saying it?

Rokerijdude, the Payne Stewart has everything to do with this. It was a civilian passenger plane and just like the planes on 9/11, it had simply gone off course for all anybody knew.
It had nothing to do with this there is no comparison again ill ask you....do you expect us to believe that the greatest military power in the world .....needs over an hour to respond to threats in the sky or elsewhere? seriously?....besides that payne stewarts story is skewed by the Time zone difference invlolved in the intercept.

The problem with your logic is that you are thinking in post-9/11 terms. Today, it would be logical to think that all those fighters are on standby to intercept civilian planes but prior to that, those planes were meant to respond specifically to a MILITARY threat.
sorry ,this is a completly incorrect statement ,and assumption.... Military or any threat in the skies above america.........you refer to it as all those...there arent actually that many bases that are on standby for intercept .the number is much smaller than one may think.....sorry Norad scrambled many times for commercial airliners prior to 9-11...this is not a new phenomenon.
Its In Norads original mission statement and still exists in the modified mission statements...



As the articles I posted earlier clearly state, it would be impossible to launch an intercept in less than half an hour, so I don't know where you are getting your BS that these planes can do it in 15 minutes.

Intercept bases can and do launch birds in 15 minutes .....there arent as many intercept bases as you portray...what a sad shape of affairs it is if it takes 30 minutes to launch birds......sorry as an ex Aircrewman in the Navy I know far better about launch times than you may imagine

 

[Rokerijdude11]

That's my whole point. You guys need to pick one conspiracy and stick with it. Was it "controlled demolition"? Was it merely foreknowledge? etc.


Just because "Varous conspiracy theorists" have said any one thing, or another....It has ABSOLUTLY no bearing, on what KOF has said, or myself ... was it controlled demo or merely foreknowledge?? you ask so callously, it is a far deeper web than that my friend. Theres no readers digest version on this story...


Why dont YOU, tell US, how and why, Building seven collapsed in its footprint? I mean after all F.E.M.A. has been unable to determine the cause ........neither has the NIST....but Im sure YOU can set us all straight...Im interested in what YOU think happened? being that even the Officail Theory has no explanation???
Perhaps ya'll should unionize...

un-real

 

[Dave]

Intercept bases can and do launch birds in 15 minutes .....there arent as many intercept bases as you portray...what a sad shape of affairs it is if it takes 30 minutes to launch birds......sorry as an ex Aircrewman in the Navy I know far better about launch times than you may imagine

Fine, if you know so much about it, prove it. Show some documented examples.

I'm just quoting how long it took jets to intercept the Payne Stewart jet. The only way it can be skewed by time zone differences is if you don't account for the time change. 9/11 truth movement sites did not, Popular Mechanics did. Thats why the 9/11 sites say the response time was 22 minutes and the Popular Mechanics report said it was an hour and 22 minutes. What's skewed about that?

Like I've said numerous times, NORAD's focus on defense is aimed at external threats. They are watching for planes coming close to American airspace so that when something actually does enter our airspace there can be jets ready to intercept. Before 9/11, NORAD was not in the business of tracking civilian aircraft, therefore, there was a delay in getting the information where it needed to be. If you want to blame someone, blame the air traffic controllers for not being able to realize a threat, and then not knowing how to react once they knew it was a threat. But then again, that wasn't what they were trained for at the time.

 

[Rokerijdude11]

Fine, if you know so much about it, prove it. Show some documented examples.

I'm just quoting how long it took jets to intercept the Payne Stewart jet. The only way it can be skewed by time zone differences is if you don't account for the time change. 9/11 truth movement sites did not, Popular Mechanics did. Thats why the 9/11 sites say the response time was 22 minutes and the Popular Mechanics report said it was an hour and 22 minutes. What's skewed about that?
the fact that you even ask.....never mind


Like I've said numerous times, NORAD's focus on defense is aimed at external threats. They are watching for planes coming close to American airspace so that when something actually does enter our airspace there can be jets ready to intercept.

and you have repeatedly been wrong....Norads Mission has ALWAYS been to watch EVERYTHING in the sky above this country


Before 9/11, NORAD was not in the business of tracking civilian aircraft, therefore, there was a delay in getting the information where it needed to be.

this is incorrect
If you want to blame someone, blame the air traffic controllers for not being able to realize a threat, and then not knowing how to react once they knew it was a threat.
it was NORAD and Dick Chaney who did not know how to react.....ask Mineta he told all
But then again, that wasn't what they were trained for at the time.

no Ill blame Norad who failed to respond in a timely or professional manner

 

[Dave]

no Ill blame Norad who failed to respond in a timely or professional manner

NORAD was in charge of defense related aircraft, the FAA was in charge of civilian craft. What's so hard to understand about that?

 

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Perhaps it's not a real word (it's a sound) and thus I can choose to spell it however I wish.

Good try, but wrong again.


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y'all yɔl - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yawl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation,
–pronoun
YOU-ALL.
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y'all (yôl) Pronunciation Key
pron. Chiefly Southern U.S.
Variant of you-all. See Regional Note at you-all.

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[KeepOurFreedoms]

NORAD was in charge of defense related aircraft, the FAA was in charge of civilian craft. What's so hard to understand about that?

FAA and NORAD, two completely different things.

FAA Mission Statement
Mission
Our Mission
Our mission is to provide the safest, most efficient aerospace system in the world.

Our Vision
Our vision is to improve the safety and efficiency of aviation, while being responsive to our customers and accountable to the public.

Our Values
Safety is our passion. We're world leaders in aerospace safety.
Quality is our trademark. We serve our country, our customers, and each other.
Integrity is our character. We do the right thing, even if no one is looking.
People are our strength. We treat each other as we want to be treated.


NORAD

North American Aerospace Defense Command

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a bi-national United States and Canadian organization charged with the missions of aerospace warning and aerospace control for North America. Aerospace warning includes the monitoring of man-made objects in space, and the detection, validation, and warning of attack against North America whether by aircraft, missiles, or space vehicles, through mutual support arrangements with other commands. Aerospace control includes ensuring air sovereignty and air defense of the airspace of Canada and the United States. The May 2006 NORAD Agreement renewal added a maritime warning mission, which entails a shared awareness and understanding of the activities conducted in U.S. and Canadian maritime approaches, maritime areas and inland waterways.

To accomplish these critically important missions, NORAD continually adjusts its structure to meet the demands of a changing world. The commander is appointed by, and is responsible to, both the U.S. president and the Canadian prime minister. The commander maintains his headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base, Colo. The NORAD-U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) Command Center serves as a central collection and coordination facility for a worldwide system of sensors designed to provide the commander and the leadership of Canada and the U.S. with an accurate picture of any aerospace threat. Three subordinate regional headquarters, located at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska, Canadian Forces Base, Winnipeg, Manitoba, and Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida, receive direction from the commander and control air operations within their respective areas of responsibility.

To accomplish the aerospace warning mission, the commander of NORAD provides an integrated tactical warning and attack assessment to the governments of Canada and the United States. To accomplish the aerospace control mission, NORAD uses a network of satellites, ground-based radar, airborne radar and fighters to detect, intercept and, if necessary, engage any air-breathing threat to North America. As a part of its aerospace control mission, NORAD assists in the detection and monitoring of aircraft suspected of illegal drug trafficking. This information is passed to civilian law enforcement agencies to help combat the flow of illegal drugs into North America. The command is currently developing a concept for implementing the new maritime warning mission.

Through outstanding bi-national cooperation, NORAD has proven itself effective in its roles of watching, warning, and responding. NORAD continues to play an important role in the defense of Canada and the U.S by evolving to meet the changing threat. The events of September 11, 2001 demonstrated NORAD’s continued relevance to North American security. Today, NORAD provides civil authorities with a potent military response capability to counter domestic airspace threats.

While the national leadership of Canada and the U.S. continue to refine our response to the terrorist threat, NORAD’s proven abilities and unique capabilities will remain a vital part of homeland defense.

 

[Dave]

FAA and NORAD, two completely different things.

FAA Mission Statement
Mission
Our Mission
Our mission is to provide the safest, most efficient aerospace system in the world.

Our Vision
Our vision is to improve the safety and efficiency of aviation, while being responsive to our customers and accountable to the public.

Our Values
Safety is our passion. We're world leaders in aerospace safety.
Quality is our trademark. We serve our country, our customers, and each other.
Integrity is our character. We do the right thing, even if no one is looking.
People are our strength. We treat each other as we want to be treated.


NORAD

North American Aerospace Defense Command

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a bi-national United States and Canadian organization charged with the missions of aerospace warning and aerospace control for North America. Aerospace warning includes the monitoring of man-made objects in space, and the detection, validation, and warning of attack against North America whether by aircraft, missiles, or space vehicles, through mutual support arrangements with other commands. Aerospace control includes ensuring air sovereignty and air defense of the airspace of Canada and the United States. The May 2006 NORAD Agreement renewal added a maritime warning mission, which entails a shared awareness and understanding of the activities conducted in U.S. and Canadian maritime approaches, maritime areas and inland waterways.

To accomplish these critically important missions, NORAD continually adjusts its structure to meet the demands of a changing world. The commander is appointed by, and is responsible to, both the U.S. president and the Canadian prime minister. The commander maintains his headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base, Colo. The NORAD-U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) Command Center serves as a central collection and coordination facility for a worldwide system of sensors designed to provide the commander and the leadership of Canada and the U.S. with an accurate picture of any aerospace threat. Three subordinate regional headquarters, located at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska, Canadian Forces Base, Winnipeg, Manitoba, and Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida, receive direction from the commander and control air operations within their respective areas of responsibility.

To accomplish the aerospace warning mission, the commander of NORAD provides an integrated tactical warning and attack assessment to the governments of Canada and the United States. To accomplish the aerospace control mission, NORAD uses a network of satellites, ground-based radar, airborne radar and fighters to detect, intercept and, if necessary, engage any air-breathing threat to North America. As a part of its aerospace control mission, NORAD assists in the detection and monitoring of aircraft suspected of illegal drug trafficking. This information is passed to civilian law enforcement agencies to help combat the flow of illegal drugs into North America. The command is currently developing a concept for implementing the new maritime warning mission.

Through outstanding bi-national cooperation, NORAD has proven itself effective in its roles of watching, warning, and responding. NORAD continues to play an important role in the defense of Canada and the U.S by evolving to meet the changing threat. The events of September 11, 2001 demonstrated NORAD’s continued relevance to North American security. Today, NORAD provides civil authorities with a potent military response capability to counter domestic airspace threats.

While the national leadership of Canada and the U.S. continue to refine our response to the terrorist threat, NORAD’s proven abilities and unique capabilities will remain a vital part of homeland defense.

Yeah, I know what the FAA and NORAD are. Before 9/11 the FAA handled air traffic for all civilian planes. NORAD responded to national security issues. Before 9/11, civilian planes were not considered national security threats, so they were in the FAAs jurisdiction until the FAA gives NORAD a call to tell them otherwise.

 

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Yeah, I know what the FAA and NORAD are. Before 9/11 the FAA handled air traffic for all civilian planes. NORAD responded to national security issues. Before 9/11, civilian planes were not considered national security threats, so they were in the FAAs jurisdiction until the FAA gives NORAD a call to tell them otherwise.

Until a plane is hijacked.

 

[Dave]

Until a plane is hijacked.

And NORAD didn't know that the planes were hijacked until it was too late to do anything about it.

 

[Rokerijdude11]

And NORAD didn't know that the planes were hijacked until it was too late to do anything about it.

your a frigging hilarious piece of work. Do you really think ANYBODY buys this garbage you spread?