What is the Trinity?

[pocketfullofshells]

Jesus gave up his divine nature to become a man. he had only faith that he would survive the suffering and death. read the book, its all in there.

Jesus did not give up anything...if he was the son of god...and was god...died and came back to life...that sounds pretty Divine to me...If by dieing you cease to be a Human and go back to being God....not much sacrifice...Not much sacrifice if you are god...make yourself your own son...and choose to have yourself killed...I don't see the Sacrifice...A food cart owner in a poor African nation setting himself on fire and dieing to make a statement about his goverment...causing the biggest flow of change in the middle east to a form of Democracy...now there I see Sacrifice.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

AS a Catholic I agree with you. Denominations are not important. Many are based on what country you are born. Just follow what you think God said and try to lead a good life. That all that required.

"follow what god said" what did God say? you can find many things that contradict ...even more if you go be what every Denomination says...

 

[dogtowner]

Jesus did not give up anything...if he was the son of god...and was god...died and came back to life...that sounds pretty Divine to me...If by dieing you cease to be a Human and go back to being God....not much sacrifice...Not much sacrifice if you are god...make yourself your own son...and choose to have yourself killed...I don't see the Sacrifice...A food cart owner in a poor African nation setting himself on fire and dieing to make a statement about his goverment...causing the biggest flow of change in the middle east to a form of Democracy...now there I see Sacrifice.

of course you dont.get it. we all understand that.

 

[cashmcall]

Something for all the Christians on this thread..See also Rational Christianity's own list of resolved contradictions.

1. God is satisfied/unsatisfied with his works
2. God dwells/dwells not in chosen temples
3. God dwells in light/darkness
4. God is seen/unseen and heard/unheard
5. God is tired/never tired and rests/never rests
6. God is/is not omnipresent and omniscent
7. God does/does not know the hearts of men
8. God is/is not all powerful
9. God is changeable/unchangeable
10. God is just/unjust or partial/impartial
11. God is/is not the author of evil
12. God gives freely/witholds his blessings
13. God can/cannot be found by those who seek Him
14. God is warlike/peaceful
15. God is cruel/kind
16. God's anger endures for a long/short time
17. God approves/disapproves of burnt offerings
18. God accepts/forbids human sacrifices
19. God tempts man/doesn't tempt man
20. God send lying spirits/doesn't lie
21. God will/will not destroy man.
22. God's attributes are revealed/cannot be discovered
23. God is one/many
24. Robbery commanded/prohibited
25. Lying approved/forbidden
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned/forbidden
27. Killing commanded/forbidden
28. Blood-shedder must/must not die
29. Making of images forbidden/commanded
30. Slavery and oppression forbidden/sanctioned
31. Improvidence enjoyed/condemned
32. Anger approved/disapproved
33. Good works to be seen/not to be seen by men
34. Judging of others forbidden/approved
35. Christ taught nonresistence/taught and practiced physical resistance
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed/Christ avoided Jews for fear of being killed himself
37. Public prayer sanctioned/disapproved
38. Importunity in prayer commended/condemned
39. Wearing of long hair by men sanctioned/condemned
40. Circumcision instituted/condemed
41. Sabbath instituted/repudiated
42. Sabbath instituted because God rested/because God brought Israelites out of Egypt
43. No work to be done on Sabbath/Christ broke this rule
44. Baptism commanded/not commanded
45. Every animal allowed for food/certain animals prohibited for food
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned/forbidden
47. Marriage approved/disapproved
48. Feedom of divorce permitted/restricted
49. Adultery forbidden/allowed
50. Marriage/cohabitation with sister denounced, but Abraham married his sister and God blessed the marriage
51. A man may/may not marry his brother's widow
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined/condemned
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended/discountenanced
54. Our rulers are God's ministers and should be obeyed/are evil and should be disobeyed
55. Women's rights affirmed/denied
56. Obedience to masters/obedience only to God
57. There is/is not an unpardonable sin
58. Man was created before/after other animals
59. Seed time and harvest never ceased/ceased for seven years
60. God/Pharaoh hardened Pharaoh's heart
61. All Cattle and horses died/all cattle and horses did not die.
62. Moses feared/did not fear Pharaoh
63. Plague killed 23000/24000
64. John the Baptist was/was not Elias
65. Father of Mary's husband was Jacob/Heli
66. Father of Salah was Arphaxad/Cainan
67. Thirteen/Fourteen generations from Abraham to David

 

[cashmcall]

68. Thirteen/Fourteen generations from Babilonish captivity to Christ
69. Infant Christ was/was not taken to Egypt
70. Christ was/was not tempted in the wilderness
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount/on the plain
72. John was/was not in prison when Jesus went to Galilee
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff and sandles/neither staves nor sandles
74. A woman of Caanan/Greek woman sought Jesus
75. Two/one blind men/man besought Jesus
76. Christ was crucified on the third/sixth hour
77. Two theives/only one thief railed at Christ
78. Satan entered Judas at the supper/after the supper
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging/died another way
80. Potter's field purchased by Judas/by the Chief Priest
81. Only one woman/two women went to the sepulchre
82. Three women/more than three women went to the sepulchre
83. It was early sunrise/sometime after sunrise when they went to the sepulchre.
84. Two angels standing/only one angel sitting seen by women
85. Two angels/one angel seen at the sepulchre
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the tomb/only two days and two nights
87. Holy ghost bestowed at/before pentecost
88. Disciples commanded immediately after resurrection to go into Galilee/tarry at Jerusalem
89. Jesus first appeared to disciples in a room in Jerusalem/on a mountain in Galilee.
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olive/Bethany
91. Paul's attendants heard/did not hear the miraculous voice.
92. Abraham departed to go to Canaan/did not know where he was going.
93. Abraham had one/two sons.
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife/concubine.
95. Abraham begat a son at the age of 100 years by God's providence/he then had six more sons without God's help.
96. Jacob/Abraham brought the sepulchre from Hamor.
97. God gave Abraham and his sons the promised land/they never received it.
98. Goliath/his brother was slain by Elhanan.
99. Ahaziah began his reign in the eleventh/twelfth year of Joram.
100. Michal had five children/one child
101. David was tempted by the LORD/by satan to number Israel
102. Number of fighting men in Israel was 800,000/1,100,000, number of fighting men in Judah was 500,000/470,000.
103. David sinned in numbering Israel/David never sinned except in the matter of Uriah
104. One of David's penalties for sinning was seven years of famine/there were only three years of famine.
105. David took 700/7000 horsemen.
106. David bought a threshing floor for 50 sheckles of silver/600 shekles of gold.

 

[cashmcall]

107. David's throne was to endure forever/David's throne was cast down.
108. Christ is equal/is not equal with God
109. Jesus was/was not all-powerful
110. The law was/was not superceded by Christian dispensation.
111. Christ's mission was/was not peace.
112. Christ did not/did receive testimony from men.
113. Christ's witness of himself is true/untrue
114. Christ laid down his life for his friends/enemies
115. It was/was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death.
116. Children are/are not punished for the sins of their parents.
117. Man is/is not justified by faith alone.
118. It is impossible/possible to fall from grace.
119. No man is without sin/Christians are sinless.
120. There will/will not be a resurrection of the dead.
121. Reward/punishment bestowed in this/next world.
122. Annihilation/endless misery the portion of all mankind.
123. Earth is/is never to be destroyed
124. No evil shall/Evil will happen to the Godly
125. Worldly good and prosperity/worldly misery and destitution to be the lot of the godly
126. Worldly prosperity a reward/a curse
127. Christian yoke is/is not easy
128. Fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness/vengence and fury
129. Longevity enjoyed by/denied to wicked
130. Poverty/Riches/Neither a blessing
131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment/vexation, grief, sorrow.
132. Good name is a blessing/curse
133. Laughter commended/condemned
134. Rod of correction is cure for foolishness/there is no cure for foolishness.
135. Fool should/should not be answered according to his folly.
136. Temptation desired/undesired
137. Prophecy is sure/unsure
138. Man's life 120/70 years
139. Fear of man on every beast/fear of man not on the lion.
140. Miracles are/are not proof of divine inspiration.
141. Moses meek/cruel
142. Elijah ascended to heaven/none but Christ ascended to Heaven
143. All scripture is inspired/Some scripture is not inspired

 

[pocketfullofshells]

of course you dont.get it. we all understand that.

and of course you can't explain it...we get that. But why should you be able to explain a religion...better to just follow I guess?

 

[dogtowner]

and of course you can't explain it...we get that. But why should you be able to explain a religion...better to just follow I guess?

I did, not my fault you cant comprehend it.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I did, not my fault you cant comprehend it.

2 + 2 is 5...its your fault if you don't understand...your good at explaining!

 

[dogtowner]

2 + 2 is 5...its your fault if you don't understand...your good at explaining!

I'll type slowly for you...

when Christ GAVE UP HIS DIVINITY to be a perfect sacrifice to wipe away our sins, then its a sacrifice. its like Spiderman intentionally giving up his spidey power for something he believed was that important. in short, love.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I'll type slowly for you...

when Christ GAVE UP HIS DIVINITY to be a perfect sacrifice to wipe away our sins, then its a sacrifice. its like Spiderman intentionally giving up his spidey power for something he believed was that important. in short, love.

I will type slow for you...He gave up nothing...if he was God and died and is god...he gave up nothing...Its like if Spiderman says I will give up my powers, that I gave myself...and then a day later has them all back...and knowing he would get them back.

 

[dogtowner]

I will type slow for you...He gave up nothing...if he was God and died and is god...he gave up nothing...Its like if Spiderman says I will give up my powers, that I gave myself...and then a day later has them all back...and knowing he would get them back.

there was no guarantee. are youdone being foolish now ?

 

[cashmcall]

I will type slow for you...He gave up nothing...if he was God and died and is god...he gave up nothing...Its like if Spiderman says I will give up my powers, that I gave myself...and then a day later has them all back...and knowing he would get them back.

pocket ..His son left heaven ,came to earth ,died in an awful way..AND HE GAVE UP NOTHING..to leave heaven even for a day must have been awful..My son broke his arm and that was about all I could stand..]
Why do you care?

 

[cashmcall]

His sacrifice had to be costly and would require death by crucifixion, which would pay the penalty for our sin. Crucifixion is one of the most cruel and tortuous ways to die. When we think how Jesus died on the cross for us, it is to remind us of the cost of our sin, and God's love for us, in His willingness to personally die for us.God, in His mercy, has reduced the plan of salvation to simple faith, so that all people can be saved by believing God's promises and accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior...

 

[dogtowner]

pocket ..His son left heaven ,came to earth ,died in an awful way..AND HE GAVE UP NOTHING..to leave heaven even for a day must have been awful..My son broke his arm and that was about all I could stand..]
Why do you care?

he's an anti-theist. its an involuntary reflex at this point.