so, can you remind me why this "Clinton's presidency" came up again inthis thread,and WHY the "surplus"or "lack of surplus" is so important?
It came up because FatherTime declared that Bush was left with a massive surplus and managed to throw it all away and drive the country into ruin.
He stated, "Bush took over with a government surplus and the previous administration creating a huge amount of jobs. He left bailing out the banks and with the country on the brink of depression, the worst financial situation since the 30s. Your logic doesn't include that. Your version of "logic" is rightwing Limbaugh loon dogma." -
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He then followed it up with: "It is a known fact that Clinton left with a surplus, this is unquestioned. Even articles saying that there is some debate about how large the surplus was admit that he left the country in great economic shape. You can state some conspiratorial theory but then again you probably think Obama was born in the Congo too. -
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After this post, I responded with a breakdown of the actual debt figures straight from the United States government....which in fact showed the exact opposite of FatherTime's statements.
He responded, "I love how the Repubs want to rewrite history. This is how they find Obama responsible for the financial state of the nation right now." -
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And, "It's a fact spoken on every mainstream news outlet that Clinton left with a surplus. I don't care about the moderator's fringe stats." -
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You then stated "The surplus wasn't enough to erase the national debt. . .however, the national debt DECREASED in the 8 years of Clinton's presidency and GREATLY INCREASED under the 8 years of Bush presidency" -
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Also, "How many sources do you need that shows that Clinton's presidency was highly effective in terms of economy, including GREATLY lower national debt?" -
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And, "No, dear. . .YOU are missing the point! The fact is that the national debt was decreased in the 8 years when Clinton was in office. . .by the amount of the surplus. . .which LOWERED the deficit!" -
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And, "NO. I claimed a BUDGET SURPLUS that allowed for a DECREASE IN NATIONAL DEBT of 9.7%" -
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You, Openmind, were a main voice in continuing to talk about a "surplus", which is why it must continue to be discussed. The simple fact (as easily seen from our government's own figures) shows that we never a surplus, and added to the debt every single year.
And according to FatherTime, for simply pointing this out (using Treasury figures) I am a person who "think Obama was born in the Congo" and full of conspiracy theories. It is a shame he has left and will not be back to attempt to back up his absurd position on the matter.