Stand your ground in Florida: 31.6% increase in firearm-related homicide

[Old_Trapper70]

Better people. Not a pleasant response but it's the sad truth here.
Obviously you have bad people there but far fewer. Maybe it has to do with people per square mile. People don't know their neighbors anymore so its easier for criminals to blend in.

That's not even an argument worth considering. Europe has been gong more humanist for decades, and leaving religion behind. However, they do care for the people more then we do here. Here they fight over how much to give to the rich and take from the poor. In fact, check your studies and you will find Europe is a much happier place to live in especially those countries that practice Democratic Socialism a form of government you despise.

And if there are "far fewer" bad people that would include the millions of Syrian refugees fleeing the terror started by Bush, and which the Republicans have wanted to do nothing to end.

 

[grumpy]

Aside from mans law where do you have a natural right to "carry"? You have a right to self defense, but does that give you the right to "carry"? Perhaps in our immoral world it might. However, Christ said he who lives by the sword dies by the sword, and it appears to me that we are becoming more militant, and people are dying in higher numbers because of it.

When Christ said that he was referring to people who lived only by the sword and not God, I try and live my life as a Christian. Let me show you how I feel in a story I heard..

The story of the Quaker who picked up his gun as he went out the door, one never knows. The Quaker’s wife admonished him, “Dost thou not know that if it is thy time to die, God’s will is best?”

“I know,” he replied, “But dost thou not know that if it is a thief’s time to die, God’s will is best too?”

Okay, I know that a more spiritual man would trust Jesus for his household’s safety. I’m working on it. When I get there, I’ll dump my gun. But in the meantime, it may be the thief’s time to die.

 

[stephen50right]

So your solution is to return back to the Wild West days in 2016?

The Colt 45 was aptly named "Peacemaker" for good reason - it helped make the peace.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

The Colt 45 was aptly named "Peacemaker" for good reason - it helped make the peace.

And it helped expand the death count in war.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

When Christ said that he was referring to people who lived only by the sword and not God, I try and live my life as a Christian. Let me show you how I feel in a story I heard..

The story of the Quaker who picked up his gun as he went out the door, one never knows. The Quaker’s wife admonished him, “Dost thou not know that if it is thy time to die, God’s will is best?”

“I know,” he replied, “But dost thou not know that if it is a thief’s time to die, God’s will is best too?”

Okay, I know that a more spiritual man would trust Jesus for his household’s safety. I’m working on it. When I get there, I’ll dump my gun. But in the meantime, it may be the thief’s time to die.

How many times have you been robbed? Your story relates to a more violent time on the frontier, not within the city although the more guns we see the more crime we see. I take a gunb with me when I go into the woods to protect myself from animals. Perhaps the parts of the city you go to are filled with animals.

Conversely, what are you, or the other paranoid gun carriers, doing to eliminate the threat you fear so much?

The answer is NOTHING

 

[dogtowner]

The church has no issue with deadly force in appropriate situations. Self defence qualifies.

 

[grumpy]

How many times have you been robbed? Your story relates to a more violent time on the frontier, not within the city although the more guns we see the more crime we see. I take a gunb with me when I go into the woods to protect myself from animals. Perhaps the parts of the city you go to are filled with animals.

Conversely, what are you, or the other paranoid gun carriers, doing to eliminate the threat you fear so much?

The answer is NOTHING

First off, CHILL. The answer to your first question is twice. The first time was when I was 11 in Florida, a man stop me while walking the rail road tracks. I had three dollars.. he told me next time he stopped me I better have more money. the second time was a little over three years ago. I don't carry daily, but when I travel I do. I had stopped at a stop-and- go in Atlanta for coffee about 10 pm the man looked like and acted like a beggar, but after asking for money and receiving only three dollars (I carry a debit card, I didn't have anymore cash) He pulled a knife and got really upset. When I pulled gun it was over. I didn't have to shoot him. I thought about letting him go but he might have just found another victim.. The cops came and it was over. I had to return to Atlanta to testify.

My right to carry is from the State of Texas, and My Constitutional right. As far as what i'm doing to eliminate the threat I'm obeying the laws..

 

[Old_Trapper70]

The church has no issue with deadly force in appropriate situations. Self defence qualifies.

Who said it did? "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

So, while scripture speaks of defending others, there is no biblical scripture for self defense in the NT. There we have this:


Matthew 5:38-39 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Romans 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

1 Peter 3:9 Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing

 

[stephen50right]

And it helped expand the death count in war.

I thought the topic was "Stand your ground in Florida"....not weapons used in war to expand the death count.

Back to the topic....on a personal level, a gun is the great equalizer. A 95lb little old lady can take down a 250lb judo expert with one shot from a 25 caliber popper. That's what my side is talking about, giving everyone the opportunity to be equal against the thugs out there roaming the streets with bad intentions. Talk about equal rights - carrying a gun is the ultimate equal right to defend your own life. Our Second Amendment gives us that right.

 

[grumpy]

Who said it did? "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

So, while scripture speaks of defending others, there is no biblical scripture for self defense in the NT. There we have this:


Matthew 5:38-39 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Romans 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

1 Peter 3:9 Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing

Honestly trapper do you think any of that has anything to do with what we're talking about. We/you have every right to defend yourself and others. It's not evil to defend yourself.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

I thought the topic was "Stand your ground in Florida"....not weapons used in war to expand the death count.

Did you bother to read the post I was replying to?

Back to the topic....on a personal level, a gun is the great equalizer.

It is also the weapon of choice for cowards, and bullies.

A 95lb little old lady can take down a 250lb judo expert with one shot from a 25 caliber popper.

A .25? Seriously? Unless she hits him in a critical spot that 40 grains of lead won't do much.

That's what my side is talking about, giving everyone the opportunity to be equal against the thugs out there roaming the streets with bad intentions. Talk about equal rights - carrying a gun is the ultimate equal right to defend your own life. Our Second Amendment gives us that right.

Yeah I know. You are all 95 pound girlie men at heart.

Have you ever read the 2nd., or the debate by the Founders over it? No where is self defense mentioned. And today no time is spent on the Militia which was the purpose of the 2nd.


"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
--Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

Note what he said: "and every other terrible implement of the soldier"

 

[Old_Trapper70]

Honestly trapper do you think any of that has anything to do with what we're talking about. We/you have every right to defend yourself and others. It's not evil to defend yourself.

When you bring religion into the discussion as Dog did, then it becomes part of the discussion. I am just posting what God had to say on he subject. If you find it in error then point out where. There is the spiritual man, and the material man. Different rules for each.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

My right to carry is from the State of Texas, and My Constitutional right. As far as what i'm doing to eliminate the threat I'm obeying the laws..

No neighborhood watch, or anything? Funny how the right wingers go to the border to act like border guards, but never the center of the city to patrol the streets.

 

[Walter]

Better people. Not a pleasant response but it's the sad truth here.

You are very pessimistic

Maybe it has to do with people per square mile. People don't know their neighbors anymore so its easier for criminals to blend in.

I think thats the same here, and quite a difference if you compare countryside vs. big towns.

 

[dogtowner]

You are very pessimistic

Just realistic

I think thats the same here, and quite a difference if you compare countryside vs. big towns.

Maybe so. But before the muslim tsunami did you have areas you could not go through without high risk of peril ?
We've had "the bad side of town" for as long as I can remember.