Legalize It!!!!!!!

[PLC1]

The only difference between abuse of alcohol and abuse of other drugs is that the alcohol is legal. Being drunk and disorderly in public, or being drunk behind the wheel, isn't legal, but getting quietly potted in your own house is. The effects of over consumption of alcohol are just as bad as the effects of abusing other drugs. So, what do we do? Should we outlaw alcohol? We all know what happened when that experiment was tried: It was similar to the results of prohibiting other "controlled substances", i.e., gangs, turf wars, widespread lawlessness, and violence.


Abusing drugs is a bad thing, a poor choice, a social ill. The war on drugs is not working, is costing the country billions, and is promoting gangs and violence. The solution is obvious.

 

[dogtowner]

The only difference between abuse of alcohol and abuse of other drugs is that the alcohol is legal. Being drunk and disorderly in public, or being drunk behind the wheel, isn't legal, but getting quietly potted in your own house is. The effects of over consumption of alcohol are just as bad as the effects of abusing other drugs. So, what do we do? Should we outlaw alcohol? We all know what happened when that experiment was tried: It was similar to the results of prohibiting other "controlled substances", i.e., gangs, turf wars, widespread lawlessness, and violence.


Abusing drugs is a bad thing, a poor choice, a social ill. The war on drugs is not working, is costing the country billions, and is promoting gangs and violence. The solution is obvious.

very true but a difficult one to move on nonetheless. thats why I always tie it to organized crime. most people understand the terrible impact gangs are having on the country.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

The only difference between abuse of alcohol and abuse of other drugs is that the alcohol is legal. Being drunk and disorderly in public, or being drunk behind the wheel, isn't legal, but getting quietly potted in your own house is. The effects of over consumption of alcohol are just as bad as the effects of abusing other drugs. So, what do we do? Should we outlaw alcohol? We all know what happened when that experiment was tried: It was similar to the results of prohibiting other "controlled substances", i.e., gangs, turf wars, widespread lawlessness, and violence.

Abusing drugs is a bad thing, a poor choice, a social ill. The war on drugs is not working, is costing the country billions, and is promoting gangs and violence. The solution is obvious.

But then that just brings us back full circle to the 'LEGALIZE IT' point of origin for this topic: shopaholics, alcoholism, gambling addictions, sexual addictions, video games addition, porn addiction...if we {the greater thinking humans} think that we can dictate to the lessor thinking humans then when/where do we draw the line of interfering in our RIGHT TO BE FREE, Free to chose what we want to do with our 'free time'...isn't controlling the Marijuana use just a futile as telling people to 'not get addicted to gambling' but look at those special bus tours and the increase in the casinos that have been built within the last 10 years!

What right do we have to be the 'POLICE' for human habits?

 

[PLC1]

very true but a difficult one to move on nonetheless. thats why I always tie it to organized crime. most people understand the terrible impact gangs are having on the country.

My prediction is that any politicians who seriously attempt to revise our illogical and outdated drug laws would face strong opposition from two groups: The "social conservatives" and the organized gangs. The former could form a formidable voting block that would discourage anyone from supporting them. The latter would simply whack anyone who voted to take their source of income away. Together, they will be able to stop legalization for the foreseeable future.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Abusing drugs is a bad thing, a poor choice, a social ill.

....And, a means of self-medicating, by those who had serious personal-issues, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG before the drugs came-along!​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

very true but a difficult one to move on nonetheless. thats why I always tie it to organized crime. most people understand the terrible impact gangs are having on the country.

Yeah....that's The Problem.....gangs.....

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[dogtowner]

My prediction is that any politicians who seriously attempt to revise our illogical and outdated drug laws would face strong opposition from two groups: The "social conservatives" and the organized gangs. The former could form a formidable voting block that would discourage anyone from supporting them. The latter would simply whack anyone who voted to take their source of income away. Together, they will be able to stop legalization for the foreseeable future.

I'm thinking another half generation. By then those most impacted by gang activity will have the power and numbers. They're already giving it serious consideration in Cali.

 

[PLC1]

I'm thinking another half generation. By then those most impacted by gang activity will have the power and numbers. They're already giving it serious consideration in Cali.

Yes, I understand that there may be an initiative on the ballot to legalize pot. That is one way to get around the authoritarian element, as a voting block means nothing to the population at large. It could avoid retaliation by gangs as well, as they can't whack us all. Maybe the way to get a rational drug policy would be through a direct initiative by the voters., unfortunately (or maybe not so unfortunately) there is no provision for such an initiative on the federal level.

 

[dogtowner]

Yes, I understand that there may be an initiative on the ballot to legalize pot. That is one way to get around the authoritarian element, as a voting block means nothing to the population at large. It could avoid retaliation by gangs as well, as they can't whack us all. Maybe the way to get a rational drug policy would be through a direct initiative by the voters., unfortunately (or maybe not so unfortunately) there is no provision for such an initiative on the federal level.

I think you have to find a way to avoid the notion that we "lost" the War on Drugs. We did of course but most people don't like being losers. So its one part 'accept that there will always be junkies, dont accept that they will continue to rob us or worsen public health issue with their prostitution' and one part 'gangs and organized crime is ravaging our society and needs to lose the lifeblood that drives it which is money'.

Then...
give it away
make it socially unacceptable

junkies will just rot wherever they want (if you must, take some WoD money and waste it on rehab) and leave us alone. gangbangers will be left looking at one another and cease being able to outgun the authorities.

many will tell you to sell it and tax the dickens out of it. all that does is set organized crime up as the low cost provider (you cannot beat their pices with competition).

whats funny is that I got this idea from my high school civics teacher back in 72. he saw what was comng.

 

[PLC1]

I think you have to find a way to avoid the notion that we "lost" the War on Drugs. We did of course but most people don't like being losers. So its one part 'accept that there will always be junkies, dont accept that they will continue to rob us or worsen public health issue with their prostitution' and one part 'gangs and organized crime is ravaging our society and needs to lose the lifeblood that drives it which is money'.

Then...
give it away
make it socially unacceptable

junkies will just rot wherever they want (if you must, take some WoD money and waste it on rehab) and leave us alone. gangbangers will be left looking at one another and cease being able to outgun the authorities.

many will tell you to sell it and tax the dickens out of it. all that does is set organized crime up as the low cost provider (you cannot beat their pices with competition).

whats funny is that I got this idea from my high school civics teacher back in 72. he saw what was comng.

I wonder if he is still around? Let's find him and make him the head of drug enforcement.

 

[dogtowner]

I wonder if he is still around? Let's find him and make him the head of drug enforcement.

Well, he was in his 40's at the time. I kinda doubt he'd be interested at this point in his life. He drove a long haul truck in the summer, pretty interesting guy.

 

[Sihouette]

The effects of over consumption of alcohol are just as bad as the effects of abusing other drugs~PLC

Um, no.

I've lost count of the alcohol-related accidents, injuries and deaths on the strip of highway just near my home. I suppose every now and then someone gets in an accident from being high on pot but if I had to choose, statistically I will tell you that alcohol is VASTLY more dangerous in its "effects" than abusing other drugs in terms of just pure death and dismemberment than anything else.

Then there are the silent addictions to prescription drugs that many health-care providers become victims to, via easy access and other people so into the oxycoton [sp?], vicadins and so on. I know of many people addicted to these quasi-morphines. I know of two who have purposefully mangled their own bodies in order to get refills after being flagged as addicts by doctors.

Being legal is no safeguard against causing harm to society. We need education and if a person has an addictive bent to their character, I'd prefer they substitute pot for hella strong sedatives like alcohol and codines before they get behind the wheel of a car or other machinery.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

THANKS, D.A.R.E.!!!!!!!​

"Nearly 80 percent of 35 year olds questioned for the Philips Index said they were concerned about the economy, and three-quarters were also worried about healthcare. These stresses, according to the study, have contributed to the feeling of early onset of middle age or the loss of five years of youth."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Up YERZ, DEA!!!!!!​

"In her 88 years, Florence Siegel has learned how to relax: A glass of red wine. A crisp copy of The New York Times, if she can wrest it from her husband. Some classical music, preferably Bach. And every night like clockwork, she lifts a pipe to her lips and smokes marijuana.

Long a fixture among young people, use of the country's most popular illicit drug is now growing among the AARP set, as the massive generation of baby boomers who came of age in the 1960s and '70s grows older."

(1968)

The old get old

And the young get stronger

May take a week

And it may take longer

They got the guns

But we got the numbers

Gonna win, yeah

We're takin' over

Come on!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"Now that medical marijuana is legal in Michigan, can an employer fire a worker who tests positive for the drug?

WalMart says it can, so it did. "I was terminated because I failed a drug screening," says former WalMart employee Joseph Casias.

In 2008, Casias was the Associate Of The Year at the WalMart store in Battle Creek, despite suffering from sinus cancer and an inoperable brain tumor.

At his doctor's recommendation, Casias says he legally uses medical marijuana to ease his pain.

"It helps tremendously," he says. "I only use it to stop the pain. To make me feel more comfortable and active as a person."

During his five years at WalMart, Casias says he went to work every day, determined to be the best.

"I gave them everything," he says. "110 percent every day. Anything they asked me to do I did. More than they asked me to do. 12 to 14 hours a day."

But last November, Casias sprained his knee at work. Marijuana was detected in his system during the routine drug screening that follows all workplace injuries. Casias showed WalMart managers his state medical marijuana card, but he was fired anywayhttp://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=119421&catid=14."

Gee....whatta perfect-opportunity to FIRE A SICK PERSON!!!!!​