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Is Communism dying in China?

Discussion in 'Asian Politics' started by steveox, Oct 24, 2012.

  1. Johnny Tremain Well-Known Member

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    I think the Chinese fear confusion and 'lack of order'--more than anything.
    It held them back--for centuries.
    They have not forgotten--wisely.
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    I think China faces the same problems as the rest of the world, Sometimes their solutions are misunderstood. For example the Cultural Revolution was an attempt to get the upper class to do some manual work, The upper class were used to a life of ease in the past. they did not even carry their own luggage. When we did carry our own bags they thought we were following the Cultural Revolution. We were all equal although the party ranged from University Professors to high school teachers.
    Here are examples of children performing manual work from a high school .

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    China has just elected Xi Jingping as its new President. It was not a democratic election. There was only one party. However Xi Jinping is very different from older leaders He was purged in the Culutral Revolution He is said to favor collective leadership and to move away from the ruinous later years of Mao. He thought to end the cult of personality and put China on the path of market - oriented reform. He has been overseas to Australia and has some knowledge of the Western world. Whether he is a reformer only time will tell.
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    That'll sure open his eyes about the West.
    Introduce him to Crocodile Dundee.
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    Australia will sell out to China in time. The Chinese are communists and you put them in a positive light. They are not Australia's friend.
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    Not enough Australians for anyone to worry about.
    Much less China.
    The mineral wealth looks mighty tasty to China--but--Siberia and Russia are close by, land routes--lucky for Australia.

    Islands always fare better.
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    That's what makes Australia so attractive. They've already taken over the now Marxist Figi islands, building like crazy and training their military. Figi is a Chinese client state. Recently Australia's defense minister was in China and the Chinese told him it was time to choose. Did they want to be under the protection of the U.S. or the protection of the Chinese? China wants control of the Pacific plain and simple.
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    Cruella and Johnny Tremain. Australia can not change its geography . We are now the last white country left in Asia. Australian political leaders have emphasize we are part of Asia. The government wants to keep up the American alliance, even having American troops based here. Your Secretary of state Clinton is visiting us. However some rogue ex Primeministers are making speeches saying we should be closer to Asia even if these means by not being so close to the USA.

    China is the major economic and political power in this region so is important to us. Indonesia is our closest neighbour and is growing in power.If china wants to control the Pacific will the USA defend us?

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    if by "almost succeeded" you mean got run over with tanks and the like then I guess so. looked more like a major bit*h slap to me.
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    What does the race of your country have to do with anything? Do you think the non-white neighboring nations will harm you because you are white?

    And regarding your question, I think you know my answer. You are on your own Mate. Sorry but it is not the USA's job to defend your nation. And besides, what makes you think the Chinese will become militarily aggressive with The Land Down Under?

    And could you please tell our worthless Secretary State, Mrs BJ Bubba Clinton, to get her ass back to Washington and testify about her actions in the Benghazi matter?
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    Why don’t you spend less on your health care and other fluffy programs and get a strong military to defend yourself. Let your people be armed so they can defend you. Other countries need to start defending their self instead of expecting us to do it for them all the while complaining that we don’t take spend enough taking care of our citizens like they think we should.

    It’s going to be a rude awakening when you are in trouble and no one is there to help :(
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    If you think China doesn't have designs on controlling the Southern Pacific don't be surprised when they succeed. You want to go along with the belief that it's all going to be okay, but that just means you haven't understood history.
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    Gipper, I agree that at the Moment Chins poses no threat to Australia. That what the new leadership says. However it is become the great power of the region. Other great powers in the past have eventually try to take over their neighbours in particular if they have valuable minerals. Japan was the last example of this. Being short of minerals China might try to take them from us by conquest not just trade as Pandora suggest. We are a country of 22 Million and could not defend ourselves alone even if we triple our defense spending. We will always rely on big and powerful friends. It used to be Britain but they let us down in WW2. Than it was the USA. Now we are told the USA will not defend us. Perhaps we should draw up an alliance with other Asian countires.
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    Without the intervention of strong allies,
    China would defeat and consume Australia in 96 Hours.
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    China is only interested in natural resources in Africa and Australia and it's unlikely to grab remote territories outside Asia militarily as long as it can secure access to resources but the territories in China's close proximity could be gobbled up militarily and Taiwan would be the first candidate and the disputed Senkaku islands may be next because it has strong historical claims to those territories and fanatical nationalism is on the rise in China.
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    I saw this. still trying to sort it out.
  18. Cruella Well-Known Member

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    With all the military cuts coming up, I can Obama giving up that base

    China is on the March. I read a few months ago, where they also have their eyes on Okinawa.
  19. Johnny Tremain Well-Known Member

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    They can have them.
    We'll find another.
    Or they would.
    No way to prevent them from acquiring bases.
    Azores--are pretty remote, not that strategically placed.
    And--BTW--easy to attack in a pinch

    All they really want is a landing base with a runway.
  20. Cruella Well-Known Member

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    It amazes me when people discount this stuff. I don't think you realize what their long range plans are.

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