Would Socialist Healthcare Be Acceptable If...

[dogtowner]

Healthcare is a complex issue and there have been a lot of very good points made in this thread. I guess what I'd like to ask all of you is "Do you think medical care is a right?"

Maybe if we answer that question first then we can move on from there. I'll admit up front that I do think it's a right. I'm one of those guys that thinks we didn't go far enough and should have had single-payer. I think mandating dealing with insurance providers is a horrible idea and will bite us on the ass in the very near future.

nope.

 

[Centrehalf]

I like that, simple and to the point

 

[Cruella]

I think mandating dealing with insurance providers is a horrible idea and will bite us on the ass in the very near future.

The only thing Obamacare is going to change is that our insurance is going to cost us all a lot more money, fewer people will be covered and that care will be inferior to what the majority now have.

 

[Gipper]

The only thing Obamacare is going to change is that our insurance is going to cost us all a lot more money, fewer people will be covered and that care will be inferior to what the majority now have.

And that likely was the point of Obamacare. In effect, it will destroy the HC system we know so that the government can impose a single payer socialist system.

 

[Centrehalf]

Single-Payer isn't necessarily Socialist.

 

[dogtowner]

Single-Payer isn't necessarily Socialist.

possibly not but what is its benefit ?

 

[TheJPRD]

Only madmen and thieves support making people's health a profitable business.

Only simple-minded leftists are incapable of understanding the concept of "profit". UN-profitable businesses have a nasty habit of going OUT of business!

The high cost of healthcare in the US is NOT due to excessive profit margins. The drivers of the cost are many, not the least of which are governmental regulations and the ever-present threat of lawsuits. Unfortunately, most politicians have no understanding of business. Perhaps we should start a thread here on "Cost & Price Analysis"????

 

[dogtowner]

Only simple-minded leftists are incapable of understanding the concept of "profit". UN-profitable businesses have a nasty habit of going OUT of business!

The high cost of healthcare in the US is NOT due to excessive profit margins. The drivers of the cost are many, not the least of which are governmental regulations and the ever-present threat of lawsuits. Unfortunately, most politicians have no understanding of business. Perhaps we should start a thread here on "Cost & Price Analysis"????

well... there IS good money in parts of the healthcare biz but not where many people like to think.

of course there is nothing wrong with making a living.

you are correct to sense that govt is far and away most responsible for the cost issues. no way they will ever be the solution.

 

[Cruella]

Single-Payer isn't necessarily Socialist.

It's called a monopoly. A monopoly controlled by the government, the Marxist dream.

In Obama's world, controlling 20% of the economy is right up his ally.

 

[TheJPRD]

Related Thread just posted here: https://www.houseofpolitics.com/threads/healthcare-pricing-for-leftist-dummies.16770/

 

[Centrehalf]

It's called a monopoly. A monopoly controlled by the government, the Marxist dream.

In Obama's world, controlling 20% of the economy is right up his ally.

I don't see how thousands upon thousands of independent medical practices performing services and getting paid is a monopoly. Now as far as being Marxist, yeah, universal coverage is Marxist, among other things. So is compulsory schooling and several other things we do in this country.

What I said was single-payer isn't necessarily Socialist, it depends upon how it's implemented. It doesn't by nature require massive government oversight and intervention.

 

[Cruella]

I don't see how thousands upon thousands of independent medical practices performing services and getting paid is a monopoly. Now as far as being Marxist, yeah, universal coverage is Marxist, among other things. So is compulsory schooling and several other things we do in this country.

What I said was single-payer isn't necessarily Socialist, it depends upon how it's implemented. It doesn't by nature require massive government oversight and intervention.

First of all, Obamacare is already dictating what the Insurance Companies must cover and what doctors can and cannot do. Obamacare is also dictating what kind of billing and diagnostic system they must all use. Doctors, clinics, hospitals, insurance companies etc.

Obamacare has been designed to put insurance companies out of business and doctors out of private practice.
They have already admitted that. If you look at the state exchanges, you will go to their doctors and hospitals and will get the care they decide, not what you or your doctor wants.

 

[dogtowner]

I don't see how thousands upon thousands of independent medical practices performing services and getting paid is a monopoly. Now as far as being Marxist, yeah, universal coverage is Marxist, among other things. So is compulsory schooling and several other things we do in this country.

What I said was single-payer isn't necessarily Socialist, it depends upon how it's implemented. It doesn't by nature require massive government oversight and intervention.

how can it fail to have massive govt oversight and intervention if they're running the show ?

but the simple fact that its nothing but more overhead is enough to render it useless.

 

[Iolo2]

Brainwashed mugs will never vote against the interests of their masters, so you will continue to pay twice as much for health as we do and just let the poor die. That's American Christianity, fair play!

 

[Centrehalf]

First of all, Obamacare is already dictating what the Insurance Companies must cover and what doctors can and cannot do. Obamacare is also dictating what kind of billing and diagnostic system they must all use. Doctors, clinics, hospitals, insurance companies etc.

Obamacare has been designed to put insurance companies out of business and doctors out of private practice.
They have already admitted that. If you look at the state exchanges, you will go to their doctors and hospitals and will get the care they decide, not what you or your doctor wants.

I have said this before and will say it again: I am not a supporter of the ACA. I do not think ObamaCare is going to work. Obamacare is not single-payer and doesn't in any way resemble the system I'd like to see. Stop asking me to defend ObamaCare.