Why is the US so opposed to free healthcare for all?

[Gipper]

Because Americans are stupid...thats about it. We Like to pay more, to get less...and so long as we get ours we don't care about others...

thats the only real argument as to why

There is much wrong with this post.

Americans are stupid because many of us do not want government imposing it's will upon us with government HC. But, I don't suppose that makes any sense to you. Why? Because you really think socialized medicine is FREE...hehehehehhehee....too funny. Apparently your Mommy forgot to tell you that 'nothing in life is free' and she also forgot to tell you 'life is not fair.' I wonder if all radical lefties had your same upbringing.

Americans give more to charity than any other nation and have been for decades...so your foolish statement that we do not care about others is typical left wing tripe. Have you studied American history...EVER? We have liberated more nations than any other nation in history. We provide huge amounts of money for poor nations. We prevented your beloved communism from taking over the world.

Your posts are completely nonsensical.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Your post supports Pocket's assertion admirably.

America gives the smallest % of its GDP in aid of any developed nation.

Nobody is saying healthcare is free. Just that it should free at the point of usage

And people like you don't seem to mind trillions of dollars being used to kill people. You just balk at tax dollars being used to heal your own sick countrymen.

How bad is that?

And stop using the word 'socialised' like a brainwashed zombie

 

[PLC1]

Any of the somewhat assinine posts above opposing free (at the point of consumption) healthcare should try substituting 'education' for 'healthcare' in their argument and see how crazy they appear. Suggesting that everyone sharing the cost of healthcare equates to slavery is beyond bizarre. What is slavery is ensuring that poor people (many who are black funnily enough) should endure s system where they cannot get decent healthcare at all.

How did so many Americans get to be so vile?

I believe that most of the voices above would say the same about universal education, so no, that isn't going to sound so crazy.

As for poor black folks, we're getting to the point where a lot of middle class folks of all races can no longer afford health care. In fact, unless you're either (a) very wealthy, (b) have employer provided insurance, (c) are over 65, or (d) are very young and can get an affordable policy, you probably don't have access to more than an emergency room patch up and flee the bills system. There are few who are not in one of those categories who have access to health care.

And, of course, we pay a premium price for our system.

Americans aren't vile, just misled about this issue.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Republicans reversed the decision to provide it.

Doesn't get much more vile than that. Rich white people denying free healthcare to poor people.

They should be ashamed and so should anyone who votes for these leeches

 

[PLC1]

Republicans reversed the decision to provide it.

Doesn't get much more vile than that. Rich white people denying free healthcare to poor people.

They should be ashamed and so should anyone who votes for these leeches

Actually, we do have healthcare for poor people, just as long as they aren't working. I should have included category (e) people on welfare.

But, that's how liberals think: Keep people on the dole and under the thumb of the government. Don't encourage anyone to go out and get an entry level job instead.

 

[GenSeneca]

Any of the somewhat assinine posts above opposing free (at the point of consumption) healthcare should try substituting 'education' for 'healthcare' in their argument and see how crazy they appear.

You're assuming that I think education should be "free", I don't. Whether it's education or healthcare, you're still talking about forcing one person to labor for the benefit of another without compensation.

Suggesting that everyone sharing the cost of healthcare equates to slavery is beyond bizarre.

You're not suggesting that everyone share the cost... You are suggesting that some people should be forced to labor for the benefit of someone else without compensation for their labor.

What is slavery is ensuring that poor people should endure s system where they cannot get decent healthcare at all.

They are not being forced to labor for the benefit of someone else without compensation.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

PLC - Yes, people choose to be unemployed and have a shit life don't they?

Honestly, the rubbish you people believe to justify your own grotesque selfishness beggars belief

Don't tell me, you are christian too.

The healthcare offered to the poor is grim and you know it

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Anyone who thinks that eduacation should not be freely available to all is mentally ill

If you aren't prepared to contribute some tax so that all get an education you are also financilly stupid.

Educating everyone is massively good for the economy.

Your opposition to it just shows how blindly right wing you are what a nasty piece of work you are

Are you a christian by any chance?

 

[GenSeneca]

...look at the cost per person in spending...we spend more...we get less...some get almost nothing...

What is it you think these countries are doing that actually lowers the cost of PROVIDING healthcare? Subsidizing the cost of providing HC through higher taxes and/or deficit spending won't actually lower the cost of PROVIDING healthcare... But, so far, that's the only "solution" you're suggesting to address the problem.

 

[GenSeneca]

Anyone who thinks that eduacation should not be freely available to all is mentally ill

Despite your red herring attempt to change the topic from HC to education, my point remains unchallenged: You support forcing some to labor for the benefit of others without compensation for their labor. You can either admit to that or attempt to deny it.

Your opposition to it just shows how blindly right wing you are what a nasty piece of work you are

So far, I'm the one who's remained civil during this discussion. You, on the other hand, have offered little more than insults...and other assorted logical fallacies.

Are you a christian by any chance?

I'm an Atheist but trying to use the tu quoque fallacy against Christians on this issue is more flawed than you seem to realize.

 

[Alias]

I don't get this

A country that is full of christian funda-mentalists fights tooth and nail to deny this to the most needy in society.

I don't understand how people can claim to be christians and be so opposed to helping others.

And I really don't understand how the many beneficiaries of such a scheme can be whipped up into actively opposing it just by using the dreaded 's' word.

Healthcare and education should be freely available to all citizens in a devloped country.

I know the US has been misled about the UK NHS but the truth is that anyone can get good medical care free at the point of usage in the UK. Is it as good as the best privately funded care? Not always. But in the UK you can buy private health insurance too if you want to so you can get anything the private sector can offer if you can afford it and very good care if you cannot. This is why depsite the nonesense the right uses to demonise free healthcare the argument doesn't stack up.

And please don't say that the poor choose to not buy health insurance. One third of US workers earn nine dollars per hour or less. You cannot affrord the luxury of health insurance on this level of income.

The vehemence of the opposition to the idea of free healthcare in the US is disturbing. especilaly when so much of taxpayers' money is spent on killing people in foreign countries.

Is that christian?

Actually, it probably is.

I'd like some free health care. While you're at it, I'd like a free black Escalade fully loaded. Thanks, man.

 

[PLC1]

There is no such thing as free health care or free black Escalades.

Unless, of course, your dad is wealthy and foolish, Then he might buy you a free car, even an Escalade if that's your choice.

 

[Alias]

Or have half the nation's population who pay no Fed tax receive free health care paid for by the taxpayers. It's free for them, but not for those who pay for it and their own healthcare. Nice game. Socialism.

 

[Kizzume]

I believe in socialized medicine, just as I believe in socialized roads, power, and other necessities. When it comes to those types of things, ghey shouldn't be businesses that exist to make money, they should exist to provide a service.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Or have half the nation's population who pay no Fed tax receive free health care paid for by the taxpayers. It's free for them, but not for those who pay for it and their own healthcare. Nice game. Socialism.

Look I can make completely wrong statements about who pays taxes!

http://www.politicususa.com/en/half-americans-taxes

Of course anyone who suggests changing that, the Right would also Scream about them Raising taxes....

Its such a great point for the Republicans...because its false, and there is no way the left can address it without them crying about it.