Why does Israel do what it does?

[jb_1430]

In addition - there is no appreciable ethnic difference between early Israelites and other arabs - they were all Semetic people whose cultural, linguistic, and in certain cases, ancestral origins trace back to the tribes of the Arabian Peninsula.

You are just makin this shiite up as you go along. Ill use wikipedia just because it is easier to look up. MARK

The Hittites were an ancient people who spoke an Indo-European language, and established a kingdom centered at Hattusa (Hittite URUḪattuša) in north-central Anatolia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites


The name Canaan is of obscure origins, with one possibility being the non-Semitic Hurrian

This was first applied to the lowland or classical Phoenicia, mainly Sidon, then by extension to the whole region.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan#Etymology

Though ancient boundaries of such city-centered cultures fluctuated, the city of Tyre seems to have been the southernmost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia

However, much new archaeological evidence has come to light, and Assyriologists generally agree now that the Amorites never engaged in a concerted invasion of the Ur III Dynasty[citation needed]. Many Amorites lived peacefully within the kingdom in small enclaves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorites

 

[jb_1430]

There was a lot of migration in and out of these lands. Some three centuries prior to the Hebrew occupation of Canaan, the land had been conquered by Egyptian armies and for a long time formed part of the Egyptian Empire. Even if you consider Israeli's as non-arab, surely the Egyptions were arabs and they apparently preceeded Hebrew rule of the area.

????? The Egyptians were not Arabs. They neither spoke Arabic or originated from Arabia. You are just makin this shiite up. MARK

 

[ArmChair General]

They WERE NOT "firing artillery shells into Lebanon", they did not violate airspace daily nor did they continually conduct raids into Lebanon. MARK

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N06/208/97/PDF/N0620897.pdf?OpenElement

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N06/437/22/IMG/N0643722.pdf?OpenElement

Who said they were firing shells into lebanon?

What were your links supposed to prove? all im getting is a blue page with this:

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As for Israel violating Lebanese Airspace almost Daily:

http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2001/sc7113.html

According to the Secretary-General’s report on the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) (document S/2001/714), the situation during the period from 23 January to 20 July 2001 has been generally stable, with the exception of ongoing tensions and breaches of the Blue Line connected with the dispute over the Shab’a Farms area. There continued to be numerous minor ground violations, those from the Israeli side largely attributable to the construction of a fence along the line. Those from the Lebanese side amounted to crossings by shepherds and occasional vehicles.

Regarding air violations, the report states that Israeli aircraft violated the line on an almost daily basis, penetrating deep into Lebanese airspace. These incursions, particularly those at low level, breaking the sound barrier over populated areas, were especially provocative and caused great anxiety to the civilian population. The report further describes several incidents, including demonstrations on the Lebanese side, exchanges of fire between Israeli soldiers and Hizbollah, and destruction of a Syrian army radar position in the Bekaa Valley.​

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/lebanon/2002/0730quest.htm

Israeli warplanes violate Lebanese airspace on an almost daily basis, prompting Hizbullah to fire antiaircraft rounds across the border.​

http://bloggingbeirut.com/archives/1088-UN-Secretary-Generals-3rd-Report-on-Resolution-1701.html

9. I am concerned by all violations of the Blue Line, which also constitute violations of resolution 1701 (2006). Throughout the period under review, UNIFIL continued to report Israeli air violations of the Blue Line, through [Israeli military] jet and unmanned aerial vehicle over-flights. The incursions into Lebanese airspace continue on an almost daily basis. UNIFIL reported a significant increase in Israeli air violations during the month of February and the beginning of March, which on some days exceeded ten Israeli over-flights in its area of operations. The Government of Lebanon continues to protest the over-flights as a serious violation of Lebanese sovereignty and a violation of resolution 1701 (2006)​

Heres some Recent:

http://qwstnevrythg.blog-city.com/israeli_warplanes_intrude_on_beirut_airspace.htm

BEIRUT: As Beirut's curfew ended at 6 a.m. Friday and Lebanese looked forward to a day of calm following Thursday's deadly clashes, Israeli forces conducted a series of overflights across Lebanon, including the capital, in what was for many a stark reminder of the summer 2006 war.

An Israeli plane was seen "circling at a low altitude" off the coast of Beirut early Friday, in violation of the terms of the cease-fire ending the war with Israel, a Lebanese Army source told The Daily Star.

This was the first time since October 30 that an Israeli plane was detected near the capital, but a spokesperson for the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFL) told The Daily Star that Israel violates Lebanese airspace south of the Litani River, where UNIFIL operates "almost every day."​

 

[ArmChair General]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SHA502A.html

"Israel the prime suspect in Hariri's assassination",

The terrorist operation committed last evening (Monday (14 February)) in Beirut that resulted in the assassination of Rafiq Baha al-Din al-Hariri, the former prime minister of Lebanon and the architect of that country's new economy, put another twist in the blind knot of the situation in the Middle East. Those who planned, guided and executed that heinous act are hoping that they may calculate their own gains or losses within the framework of their future plans, regardless of the anxieties of the Lebanese people.​

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3726307.stm

Lebanon has reportedly broken a spy ring that was plotting to murder Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of militant group Hezbollah, on behalf of Israel.​

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3262657,00.html


Lebanon: New evidence Mossad behind assassination

Lebanese army releases statement citing new evidence that cell nabbed in Lebanon for Majzoub brothers’ assassination in May answered to Israeli intelligence agency​

Theres a lot more incidents. I wont even get into all the assassinations and terrorist acts Israel has committed against the Palestinians.

 

[Kelly]

"The archeological artifacts found in the region "says it" is a fact. MARK"
--What artifacts? The Israelis have been digging and digging and haven't found a single item that prooves their stake in the land.

 

[Truth-Bringer]

By your logic I should still hate the Germans for the Holocaust. It's doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense to you because you're attacking a straw man position.

 

[Truth-Bringer]

I know nothing about these Hebrew genocides you are discussing;

Then go read the Old Testament

 

[Coyote]

You are just makin this shiite up as you go along. Ill use wikipedia just because it is easier to look up. MARK

Also from Wikipedia:

Canaan (IPA pronunciation: [ˈkeɪnən], Canaanite: כנען, Hebrew: כנען , Greek: Χαναάν whence Latin Canaan; and from Hebrew, Aramaic ܟܢܥܢ, whence Arabic کنعان). Etymology from "low" applied to the coast as the "lowlands" and by extension to the neighboring region.[2] It is an ancient term for a region approximating to present-day Israel and the West Bank and Gaza, plus adjoining coastal lands and parts of Lebanon and Syria. The Hebrew Bible identifies Canaan with Lebanon — foremost with the coastal city of Sidon — but extends the "Land of Canaan" southward across Gaza to the "Brook of Egypt" and eastward to the Jordan Valley, thus including modern Israel with the Palestinian Territories. This southern area included various ethnic groups. The Amarna Letters found in Ancient Egypt mention Canaan (Akkadian: Kinaḫḫu) in connection with Gaza and other cities along the Phoenician coast and into Upper Galilee. Many earlier Egyptian sources also make mention of numerous campaigns conducted in Ka-na-na, just inside Asia.

Various Canaanite sites have been excavated by archaeologists, most notably the Canaanite town of Ugarit in modern Syria, which was rediscovered in 1928. Much of the modern knowledge about the Canaanites stems from excavation in this area. Canaanites spoke a Semitic language closely related to Hebrew, and are mentioned in the Bible, Mesopotamian and Ancient Egyptian texts. They have always normally been considered an ethnic group centered in Lebanon[1][2][verification needed] ; though some recent sources, without specifying any physical evidence, have asserted an origin on the Arabian Peninsula[3][verification needed],[4] a hypothesis that was also popular at the time of the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica.

 

[Coyote]

????? The Egyptians were not Arabs. They neither spoke Arabic or originated from Arabia. You are just makin this shiite up. MARK

The Egyptions - along with the other non-Jewish inhabitants of the Middle East are commonly lumped together as "Arabs". I'm just going by popular terminology.

To be accurate - the Iranians aren't either (they're Persians), nor are the Lebonese. But people call them Arabs anyway.

The point is - the Jewish people really have no more historical claim on that land than any other group. Their only real claim is modern and while it's valid, the only way to make it just is to deal with the Palestinians in an equatable way, and return the confiscated territories.

 

[Truth-Bringer]

Why do you make a special case in blaming the Jews?

I'm not making a special case of blaming the Jews. I'm asking that the Jews be treated like everyone else. No one else had the U.N. create a homeland for them. Why should we feel more sorry for the Jews than for anyone else? Just because of time? Just because the holocaust was more recent than the Jews own genocide against other people? And so now they get special privileges?

 

[jb_1430]

The Egyptions - along with the other non-Jewish inhabitants of the Middle East are commonly lumped together as "Arabs". I'm just going by popular terminology.

To be accurate - the Iranians aren't either (they're Persians), nor are the Lebonese. But people call them Arabs anyway.

The point is - the Jewish people really have no more historical claim on that land than any other group. Their only real claim is modern and while it's valid, the only way to make it just is to deal with the Palestinians in an equatable way, and return the confiscated territories.

Nobody calls the Iranians Arabs. And the claim is that the Palestinians were there first. Simply not true. Arabs moved into Israel the same time that Islam moved into Israel, the 7th century. Jews were there LONG before that. "Popular terminology" refers to those who speak arabic as arabs. Arabic was not spoke in Israel before Hebrew was. MARK

 

[Kelly]

"I'm not making a special case of blaming the Jews. I'm asking that the Jews be treated like everyone else. No one else had the U.N. create a homeland for them. Why should we feel more sorry for the Jews than for anyone else? Just because of time? Just because the holocaust was more recent than the Jews own genocide against other people? And so now they get special privileges?"
--Exactly!!!

 

[jb_1430]

I'm not making a special case of blaming the Jews. I'm asking that the Jews be treated like everyone else. No one else had the U.N. create a homeland for them.

UN didnt create a homeland. The British abandoned their Palestinian Mandate and Israel created their own homeland in 1948. 16 years later the Palestinians declared their nation over ALL of the original British mandate but theyve never really got around to creating an actual nation, other than on paper.
MARK

 

[vyo476]

Then go read the Old Testament

I prefer Star Trek.

 

[jb_1430]

Who said they were firing shells into lebanon?

What were your links supposed to prove? all im getting is a blue page with this:

Try this link
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/unifilDrp.htm
and go to the PDF documents reporting on july 05 to Jan 06 and the report on jan - july 06. Unifil reports to the UN.

Kelly claimed

The conflict started because Israel fired artillery into Lebanon for no apparent reason

When I disputed that claim, you chimed in

Actually, Israel violated Lebanese airspace daily, and would continually conduct raids into Lebanon, to either assassinate leaders or kidnap suspected bad guys.

Your reliance on reports from 4 years earlier isnt really relevant to what "started the conflict" in 2006. I suspect you rely upon them because the reports for 2003-2006, before the war, dont back up your claims that "Israel violated Lebanese airspace daily". Overflights during and after the war are also irrelevant to what started the conflict.