Well, looks like the dem nominee is Obama

[Pandora]

I have never bothered sitting in any church for much time, but for those who do, I dont give much cred to what the pastors say. I give little regard to what people say about politics when they want everyone to jump through the hoops to meet thier version of god. But I dont really care what people choose to do on Sunday mornings. For me it is watching football or going into the woods. So some it is dressing up to go pray.
To each thier own.

Ask yourself if you could back a man or woman who spent 20 years of their life with people who were against gays or against blacks or against natives. I don’t think you would. You are excusing his behavior because it’s against whites rather than some minority. Racism is wrong I don’t care who you hate.

Is this so scary because it is at least partially true?

I don’t think white men’s greed is true. I don’t think you can point and say oh he is white he is greedy oh he is black so he isn’t greedy. Putting any group in a lump and saying they are anything good or bad is wrong and it’s racist.

You just defended Obama’s racism. You really don’t see that? You think it’s a bit scary because you think it’s true. I know a lot of white men and I wouldn’t say even most of them were greedy. Some people are some are not but there skin color has zero to do with it.

Its interesting, because you are going to support McCain most likely. But not because you like him as a candidate, but because you hate the other one so much.

If McCain gets a good running mate I will vote for him. He is old and maybe he will die so a good running mate could come in handy. I don’t know what I will do if he picks a real liberal like his self. I guess I could vote for Ron Paul…. But the difference here is. I admit McCain has problems. His age, he is too liberal to appeal to me; I hate how he is constantly siding up with the left wingers. You defend Obama writing anti white things in his book, you defend his poor judgment of being in a racist church for 20 years. You defend everything about him.

Nobody has called you racist. I certainly havent. But you seem to have a guilty consience as I mentioned before.

I am irritated like I said in the above reply that people (in general) have assumed anyone who doesn’t like Obama must be a racist.

So if its not about race in your mind, then what?
You and I have already talked about the abortion issue, which for me is not a big issue, but I understand it is for you. Of which I have no problem.
So is there anything else besides what his pastor said? His abortion stance? His one single brief statement about god and guns and then being painted as an elitist which is so twisted at this point I really do chuckle just about everytime I hear than slander thrown around. So if it isnt those, then what is it?

I really really don’t like his fundamental misunderstanding about why people in general have faith.

As you know I am just speechless at his stance on partial birth abortion and the born alive act. I can deal with a pro abortion candidate but his extremes are so extreme I can not ever support them.

I am disgusted that he voted gang members shouldn’t get the death penalty if killing in the name of their gang. I don’t like the death penalty period but to only fight for a group to be protected from it. That is so wrong!

I really can’t stand how he calls him self a different kind of candidate yet does exactly like the other candidates. He is just as sneaky and warps the truth just as much.

I don’t like how he says he will only raise taxes on this group then when questioned more deeply the group grows. I also don’t like that he just doesn’t like to take questions. He seems almost above it all.

I don’t like that if anyone questions him he sends out a surrogate to call you a racist. I feel like we cant ask questions or demand answers without becoming a bad guy.

I don’t like that he claims he can unite but we have never been more divided, I don’t like that he says he can bring hope, though he never really says how but his own wife has the most pessimistic view of our country and the people in it. If he cant get her to be hopeful he sure cant get the rest of us.

I don’t like that he seems to have to tear down our country to say its something horrid and only he and his hope can fix it. In all of his speeches he has nothing good to say about our Country, After listening to him, if I didn’t live here I sure wouldn’t want to. He talks about how good it “can” be once he does his hope and change but he really has nothing good to say about it as it is today.

I agree we are not a perfect nation. But there are a lot of good things about us. Some things sure need fixing, no one would disagree. But we have great things to be proud of in our past and in the present.

I take it back, there were two times he had just been criticized about being anti American and he came out saying it’s a great country cuz he couldn’t be this far in any other land. But it was obvious he was only saying it because he was just bashed in the press for not being proud of our country. I don’t like compliments about our country to get votes or get the polls changed to your favor.

 

[Libsmasher]

Obama is going to be the nominee because he has the most delegates under the system that everyone agreed to ahead of time. Bottom line. So you can drop you whole black privilege garbage at the door.

The democrat part is a private entity - it can make any rules, or rule changes, it wants. The democrat party changed convention rules before - right at the convention. The example I'm thinking about is when they refused to give credentials to the official mississippi delegation at the 1968 democrat convention, because it didn't have enough blacks to their liking. The refusal to seat the michigan and florida delegations is irrational and unjust - millions of ordinary democrat voters in those states are disenfranchised because of what party leaders have done, but penalizing some for what others have done is perhaps unsurprising in a party that supports "affirmative action". Black privilege is EXACTLY what this is about - if white candidates were the ones in contention I'm sure they seat these groups now with no problem.

Im gonna make a guess, a shot in the dark here, because I dont know for sure except for myself, that the three Obama supporters who have responded here are non-black middle class men.

So what?

And I am not supporting for Obama, for any of the three reasons you think are the case. I am supporting him because I think he is the best candidate and what this country needs. Fresh new blood.

I haven't assumed why you are supporting him, and don't care.

Not a long time DC hack who isnt up for the daily grind being POTUS requires.

Yaaaaaaa - what we need is an inexperienced, incompetent leftwing hack.

I want new energy and ideas. This country has been run into the ground by the old guard. Its time for someone else to give it a go.

This is the kind stunning, historically ignorant statement that I keep hearing from Obamanites. When Hitler took over and brushed aside the Weimar republic - he was getting rid of the old guard democracy and bringing to the fore the new ideas and energy of fascism. And in essence, the "new ideas" of Obama are nothing new - the big government he calls for was tried throughout the 20th century and failed completely.

Also, Libs and Obamanation, you are the only ones around here making this about race. None of the regular left wingers here have said anyone is racist because they dont support him.

What a howler - it is DEMOCRATS who make everything about race.

 

[Bunz]

The democrat part is a private entity - it can make any rules, or rule changes, it wants. The democrat party changed convention rules before - right at the convention. The example I'm thinking about is when they refused to give credentials to the official mississippi delegation at the 1968 democrat convention, because it didn't have enough blacks to their liking.

I think the lessons from 68 have been learned...gosh at least I hope so. If they havent then the dems deserve what they get in this race.

Yaaaaaaa - what we need is an inexperienced, incompetent leftwing hack

Is it because he is left wing, or you think he is inexperienced and incompetent. As for compentence, I am not sure how much more incompetent we can go from our current situation. What we need is someone who can work to re-establish and heal our connections, among Americans and with our allies world wide. Obama is the one to do that. McCain has proven himself to be just another 4 years of what we have.

This is the kind stunning, historically ignorant statement that I keep hearing from Obamanites. When Hitler took over and brushed aside the Weimar republic - he was getting rid of the old guard democracy and bringing to the fore the new ideas and energy of fascism. And in essence, the "new ideas" of Obama are nothing new - the big government he calls for was tried throughout the 20th century and failed completely.

Well congratulations, you are the first person who I have seen attempt to make a legitimate connection between Obama and Hitler. Congrats on that! You see I dont fall into your fear tactics that have become so prevelent among the GOP. I was at the heart of the full blown boogie man that bird flu turned out to be. I remember how Saddam had WMDs in mass and was poised to launch. My point being, is that at every important juncture in the GOP white house tenure they failed. Iraq, Katrina, and fiscal management come to mind first.

What a howler - it is DEMOCRATS who make everything about race.

Who has called you a racist on this site for not supporting Obama? Give me names please. Id like to know who. It has been the GOP who has blown the Rev. Wright issue way out of proportion. All the right wing pundits just repeat themselves, because they have nothing else to go on. Because he is amazingly clean compared to the other candidates. So the GOP can continue to drag out this utter BS about him being an elitist, and hammer away on Rev. Wright. It will back fire on them unless they come up with some real dirt on the man. Otherwise this is desperation and the American people will see it as that.

 

[Libsmasher]

I think the lessons from 68 have been learned...gosh at least I hope so. If they havent then the dems deserve what they get in this race.

The point of my comment apparently zoomed over your head.

Is it because he is left wing, or you think he is inexperienced and incompetent.

Both.

As for compentence, I am not sure how much more incompetent we can go from our current situation.

Flash for you: Bush isn't running. How competent the current administration is has nothing to do with Obama, who, unlike when he was cruising through life via "affirmative action", must now stand or fall on his own merit.

What we need is someone who can work to re-establish and heal our connections, among Americans and with our allies world wide.

America doesn't have allies - that's a 60 year old myth. All nations will continue to do what they've always done, serve their own self interests, whatever the US does.

Obama is the one to do that. McCain has proven himself to be just another 4 years of what we have.

Flatly contradicted by McCain's well know public congressional record.

Well congratulations, you are the first person who I have seen attempt to make a legitimate connection between Obama and Hitler. Congrats on that!

Thank you! Of course, you will dodge the point of the analogy, which is that the idea that "fresh" and "new" means "good" or even "better" is unforgiveable stupidity.

You see I dont fall into your fear tactics that have become so prevelent among the GOP. I was at the heart of the full blown boogie man that bird flu turned out to be. I remember how Saddam had WMDs in mass and was poised to launch. My point being, is that at every important juncture in the GOP white house tenure they failed. Iraq, Katrina, and fiscal management come to mind first.

Yaaaa - the only thing you fear is debate.

Who has called you a racist on this site for not supporting Obama? Give me names please.

Did I say that? I don't remember saying that.

Id like to know who. It has been the GOP who has blown the Rev. Wright issue way out of proportion

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No, it's the Obamoonies and the lib media which have tried desperately to suppress it. It has to do with what it reveals about (at least) Obama's lack of judgement. As hard as the libs try to suppress this fact, or blur the issue, it won't go away.

All the right wing pundits just repeat themselves, because they have nothing else to go on.

It is disheartening that they don't spend more time on Obama's leftwing agenda.

Because he is amazingly clean compared to the other candidates.

So the GOP can continue to drag out this utter BS about him being an elitist,

He's hung himself with his own words, and the Obamoonies' attempt to just wave away everything bad that turns up about him, this being one of the worst, won't wash at the polls. I would LOVE to be in charge of video TV spots for McCain - whoever is has got PLENTY of material!

 

[Bunz]

I don’t think it’s just a game. Defending our country is very important. Being able to handle terrorism. Keeping taxes low all of these things are important.

I didnt say games werent important. But an election campaign is a game. As for taxes, I dont care what any of the candidates say about keeping taxes low, it doesnt matter who the President is, taxes are coming up. It is just a matter of who those taxes will target. I think we ought to raise taxes on those who have had the breaks all through the Bush administration. We need to cut back on some major expenditures, but also raise taxes. We will be bankrupt if we keep this up.

A pastor and YOUR pastor are very different things.

For sure, and that church did have some racial rhetoric for sure. I guess my point in the whole thing is that ones religion means little to me. I dont think for a minute that Obama will be instituting that in his policies. Its church, in my opinion one has to set aside thier objective sense of reality to worship god in the first place. He has disowned Wright, and that is good enough in my book at this point.

I don’t think white men’s greed is true. I don’t think you can point and say oh he is white he is greedy oh he is black so he isn’t greedy. Putting any group in a lump and saying they are anything good or bad is wrong and it’s racist.

I dont think greed is associated exclusively with one race or another. It is an individual trait for sure.

As for the rest Obamanation, we have very different views of the candiate, to the point I am not sure we are talking about the same person. But either way, he is quickly closing the super delegate lead. He at this point is the presumptive nominee regardless of what Clinton does. She is staying in to put herself in the best position to be either the Senate Majority leader, or Governor of NY. I have heard some talk about the dream ticket today, but I am not buying into that.

 

[Bunz]

Flash for you: Bush isn't running. How competent the current administration is has nothing to do with Obama, who, unlike when he was cruising through life via "affirmative action", must now stand or fall on his own merit.

Ah yes that old affirmative action garbage you drag out, that is only going to backfire on the GOP. But the point being about Bush not running, your right, and McCain is campaigning basically on another 4 Bush years. Just as Bush 41 and Gore campaigned on an extension of the current administration. McCain would have had my vote if he didnt pander to the far right. He is offering no substantive change from Bush.

Flatly contradicted by McCain's well know public congressional record.

He has abandoned he well known congressional record. He has went from being pro-choice to wanting to appoint justices based on them being able to overturn RvW.

Thank you! Of course, you will dodge the point of the analogy, which is that the idea that "fresh" and "new" means "good" or even "better" is unforgiveable stupidity.

Not always, only when the current status quo is so inept and out of touch that a change is necessary to put the country back on a course that Americans want and deserve.

No, it's the Obamoonies and the lib media which have tried desperately to suppress it. It has to do with what it reveals about (at least) Obama's lack of judgement. As hard as the libs try to suppress this fact, or blur the issue, it won't go away.

Thats rich. Watching the news, I see no evidence whatsoever of that being suppressed. It is still being talked about daily.

Yaaaa - the only thing you fear is debate.

Laughable and as out of touch with reality as the GOP is.

 

[Rhodri]

NO Obamanation I've read all of your posts in this thread. I find it uncanny, you echo my sentiments to the letter on this topic... to the extent that I feel no need to contribute.

 

[top gun]

Ah yes that old affirmative action garbage you drag out, that is only going to backfire on the GOP. But the point being about Bush not running, your right, and McCain is campaigning basically on another 4 Bush years. Just as Bush 41 and Gore campaigned on an extension of the current administration. McCain would have had my vote if he didnt pander to the far right. He is offering no substantive change from Bush.

He has abandoned he well known congressional record. He has went from being pro-choice to wanting to appoint justices based on them being able to overturn RvW.

Not always, only when the current status quo is so inept and out of touch that a change is necessary to put the country back on a course that Americans want and deserve.

Thats rich. Watching the news, I see no evidence whatsoever of that being suppressed. It is still being talked about daily.

Laughable and as out of touch with reality as the GOP is.

Ditto my friend... must see TV below...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW5Eqycf4d4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZlUekuQBgM

 

[Pandora]

NO Obamanation I've read all of your posts in this thread. I find it uncanny, you echo my sentiments to the letter on this topic... to the extent that I feel no need to contribute.

Where are you from ? I am in Oregon.

 

[Rhodri]

Where are you from ? I am in Oregon.

I'm from Minnesota...You sound like me...McCain's stale, Hillary's over the top, can't see myself a fan of American Idol

 

[Pandora]

I'm from Minnesota...You sound like me...McCain's stale, Hillary's over the top, can't see myself a fan of American Idol

This is the worst year ever. I am just so fustrated that as large and great as our Country is and as many talented people and I am sure great potential leaders, this is it.... this is all they offer. I feel like the choices on the menu are old stale dog food or Regurgitated cat food.

 

[Pandora]

make that Regurgitated cat food with lots of hair balls in it and slime!

 

[Rhodri]

make that Regurgitated cat food with lots of hair balls in it and slime!

hold the hair balls and double up on the slime. Actually, I've settled on simply enjoying the show.

 

[Bunz]

Obamanation,
I just want to point out that you are in a large minority when it comes to your thoughts on the candidates involved. Record turnouts in most places for the primaries. Millions of new voters, dramatic results, and turn of events throughout. Obama is a candidate that only comes along once in a generation, and he is it. Nobody has captivated Americans like him. He leads in the national polls, there is still lots of fight to go.

I have said before McCain isnt up for the grind it takes to be President. I am not sure he is up for the grind it will take to get elected President. He has had it really easy since February. The democrats will come together, mark my words. When they do, McCain might be in for a McGovern type defeat.

 

[Pandora]

hold the hair balls and double up on the slime. Actually, I've settled on simply enjoying the show.

My boss and I talk about this every day. He is an Obama supporter, but most every one in the school district and in my socialistic, communistic town is. I like talking with him about it because he does admit Obama’s flaws and doesn’t usually try to make excuses for them. He doesn’t get mad when you point out his weaknesses either, instead we just talk about them.

Most everyone else is not like that, I either need to be more like you and enjoy the ride or I need Prozac.