Veterans Never Forget...

[Pandora]

Puff, Puff, Pass...

That is one of the better video's out there.

I am unsure how these people can talk out both sides of their mouth the way they did...do..

 

[PLC1]

Yeah 2000 would be fun, I watched every single pregnant chad get counted on the news

I did not vote for Bush or Gore, so I didn't really care but It was fun to watch and through it all I started to like President Bush and Hate AlGore, that is when I first started turning conservative.

You liked Bush, and that's when you started turning conservative?

Surely, you didn't think of Bush as a conservative, did you?

The mind bending thing about the election of 2000 is that the least bad candidate did win. That's why I'd like to see us redo the primaries.

But, life isn't like a video game. There are no redos.

 

[Pandora]

You liked Bush, and that's when you started turning conservative?

Surely, you didn't think of Bush as a conservative, did you?

The mind bending thing about the election of 2000 is that the least bad candidate did win. That's why I'd like to see us redo the primaries.

But, life isn't like a video game. There are no redos.

I started liking President Bush during the Florida 2000 nightmare. Not a ton at first but I was gaining respect for him and losing respect for AlGore (not that I had much respect for AlGore to start with)

I had just come back from Canada, 3 months in a socialist community, with real strong anti American people who wanted to see America crumble and talked about that daily.

I left for Canada a good socialist. But the more time I spent with these people the more I learned to dislike it and the more I longed for the US.

I came back right before the vote. Between my really bad Canadian experience, getting in touch with a real patriot Father who fly's his flag daily, brings it in before the sun sets and always folds it correctly and the Florida 2000 stuff... I slowly started seeing things differently.

Add a challenge to read everything Ronald Reagan said instead of what the news told me he said and Michael Medveds book Right turns...

I became a capitalist and a conservative, though the conservative part took or is taking longer....

No, President Bush is not a conservative in every way. Mostly in social issues but not at all in government spending issues. But as a person, I think he is a really decent man, and I think history (if allowed) will show that.

I like allot of people who are not conservative, President Bush is one of them. Never liked his dad much though, or his brother

 

[dougreese]

The 3 months in Vietnam was all I really wrote about and as for the website it is I am sure arguable how much is true. It all depends on who you believe, swift boat people or Kerry himself. There was a ton on that site and I posted from Dec 1st when he went into Vietnam in combat then a little over 3 months later when he left. Its the only part that mattered to me for making my point. Well and the dates he "earned" his purple hearts Dec 2d being the first one on the second day and the next two shortly after.

The Silver star part I don't remember. I am sure I read and learned about it during the 2004 election but it was the 3 purple hearts in 3 months that got him out of Vietnam, those were the ones I concentrated on and remember.


Either way, you confirmed my first statement about the 3 months in Vietnam and I thank you for it. I wish it was the 2004 election again, I did not have internet back then and had to hand do everything and no one to argue with. It would be fun to do it all over.

Sorry you missed all the fun. I'm more than happy to come over here and argue with you

Anyway, I mentioned the Silver Star because, as I mentioned, I was present for that incident. That website (or at least the portions you posted) lied left and right about that incident. That, and the fact that they appear to have done very little, if any, research as to what happened, who did what, etc.

When a website is that sloppy about one part of their anti-Kerry campaign, I can only believe they are equally sloppy in the others. And that appears to be the case for some other things that were posted, that I haven't bothered to comment on.

And to repeat, Kerry was in more combat than the majority of guys who served in Vietnam.

Doug Reese

 

[dougreese]

I am not throwing anti American crap, though you have thrown it at me and so have others here....

Who am I to question it? A voter! He claimed he was a great hero who willingly served and braved all sorts of danger yet he did not seem to be all the great things he claimed when you looked closer. And the things he came out of Vietnam saying were pretty serious. In that whole whopping three months he was on a swift boat he saw people cut off other peoples ears, heads and all sorts of other terrible things. Those are strong accusations to make and worth checking into.

Its also pretty strange that he tried to get out of Vietnam then when he went on the second day in combat he claims he earned a purple heart but never even needed a bandaid for his injury, then another one then another one that he did actually need a bandaid, i think it was the grain of rice in his butt that he needed the bandaid for, yet never serious enough to miss a day of work and wham, 3 hearts and he goes home, three hearts he applied for himself.

how many of the men there lost limbs and never got a purple heart, how many did tour after tour but this guy is special

How many lost limbs and never got a PH? I'd venture to say none. Unless you have an example you'd care to share.

Furthermore, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that seriousness of the wound, or hospitilization is a requiremnt for a PH. That is not the case. As far as that goes, under certain situations, self-inflicted wounds are eligible for a PH. Bob Dole's 1st PH was such -- minor, and self-inflicted.

Doug Reese

 

[dougreese]

"In that whole whopping three months he was on a swift boat he saw people cut off other peoples ears, heads and all sorts of other terrible things."

Really? He said that?

Could you post a link to him making those comments?

Doug Reese

 

[Pandora]

Sorry you missed all the fun. I'm more than happy to come over here and argue with you

Anyway, I mentioned the Silver Star because, as I mentioned, I was present for that incident. That website (or at least the portions you posted) lied left and right about that incident. That, and the fact that they appear to have done very little, if any, research as to what happened, who did what, etc.

When a website is that sloppy about one part of their anti-Kerry campaign, I can only believe they are equally sloppy in the others. And that appears to be the case for some other things that were posted, that I haven't bothered to comment on.

And to repeat, Kerry was in more combat than the majority of guys who served in Vietnam.

Doug Reese

Do you think they got the time line down for entering and leaving Vietnam? It seemed to fit the other places I have checked

also since you were with Kerry the day he got his silver star, do you think he was 100 percent accurate on how it all happened? And did you apply for his silver star or did he apply for his own again? Did you get one that day too?

 

[Pandora]

How many lost limbs and never got a PH? I'd venture to say none. Unless you have an example you'd care to share.

Furthermore, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that seriousness of the wound, or hospitilization is a requiremnt for a PH. That is not the case. As far as that goes, under certain situations, self-inflicted wounds are eligible for a PH. Bob Dole's 1st PH was such -- minor, and self-inflicted.

Doug Reese

Did Bob Dole apply for his own purple heart too? Are you telling me that everyone gets a purple heart in the military?

Do you feel its normal to apply for your own purple heart? Is it normal to get 3 purple hearts in 3 months and is it normal that you apply for them all your self?

I read and also was told by several people that you didn't normally apply for your own, that it's something others did for you when they felt you did something extra brave or special.

 

[dougreese]

Do you think they got the time line down for entering and leaving Vietnam? It seemed to fit the other places I have checked

also since you were with Kerry the day he got his silver star, do you think he was 100 percent accurate on how it all happened? And did you apply for his silver star or did he apply for his own again? Did you get one that day too?

I haven't seen a link for that website. Give it to me and I'll tell you if they have it right . . . . . the total time in-country was just about 4.5 months.

The Silver Star after-action report (I don't care/know who wrote it) was 95% accurate. The only errors were inconsequential.

In case you haven't read it, here it is:
http://homepage.mac.com/chinesemac/kerry_medals/PDFs/SeaLords270.pdf

He did not apply for the Silver Star himself. That is a matter of record.

Kerry was the only one to get a SS that day.

Doug Reese

 

[dougreese]

Did Bob Dole apply for his own purple heart too? Are you telling me that everyone gets a purple heart in the military?

Do you feel its normal to apply for your own purple heart? Is it normal to get 3 purple hearts in 3 months and is it normal that you apply for them all your self?

I read and also was told by several people that you didn't normally apply for your own, that it's something others did for you when they felt you did something extra brave or special.

I doubt Dole applied for his own PH, just as I doubt Kerry applied for his. If all you have is that website, which posts lie after lie, then I suggest another source.

Where in the world did you get the idea I said "everyone gets a PH in the military"? My comment was regarding people who lost limbs -- that ALL of them got PHs.

The PH is not for something "brave or special". That has nothing whatsoever to do with getting a PH. It is for getting wounded in combat. One need not be brave, or do anything special -- just get wounded -- and have that wound treated.

That matches all three of Kerry's PHs.

Doug Reese

 

[Pandora]

I doubt Dole applied for his own PH, just as I doubt Kerry applied for his. If all you have is that website, which posts lie after lie, then I suggest another source.

Where in the world did you get the idea I said "everyone gets a PH in the military"? My comment was regarding people who lost limbs -- that ALL of them got PHs.

The PH is not for something "brave or special". That has nothing whatsoever to do with getting a PH. It is for getting wounded in combat. One need not be brave, or do anything special -- just get wounded -- and have that wound treated.

That matches all three of Kerry's PHs.

Doug Reese

Everyone or at least most everyone did something as brave or daring as kerry did in his 3 months in combat, so if everyone or at least most everyone didn't get a purple heart or few of them, it sure seems unfair.

That website is not where I learned kerry applied for his own purple hearts, that was common conversation during the campaign.

how many purple hearts do you have?

 

[dougreese]

Everyone or at least most everyone did something as brave or daring as kerry did in his 3 months in combat, so if everyone or at least most everyone didn't get a purple heart or few of them, it sure seems unfair.

That website is not where I learned kerry applied for his own purple hearts, that was common conversation during the campaign.

how many purple hearts do you have?

I'm at a vets reunion in Reno, and got to go . . more later.

I have one, by the way.

And again, most guys in VN were not in combat.

Doug Reese

 

[PLC1]

That website is not where I learned kerry applied for his own purple hearts, that was common conversation during the campaign.

Oh, is was common conversation! Well, why didn't you say so? If everyone was saying it during common conversation, then it must be true.

After all, anything that is common conversation has to be true, doesn't it?

 

[Pandora]

Oh, is was common conversation! Well, why didn't you say so? If everyone was saying it during common conversation, then it must be true.

After all, anything that is common conversation has to be true, doesn't it?

Common conversation as in you should have heard about this long ago if you were paying attention

Buddies of Kerry defended him for applying for his own purple hearts. And at least one of the forms he filled out to get was around in 2004. And no it wasn't a fake form like dan rathers.

I'll try to find it. Been searching for two other things related to Kerry and the 2004 election but having trouble finding them. But I will try

 

[dougreese]

Everyone or at least most everyone did something as brave or daring as kerry did in his 3 months in combat, so if everyone or at least most everyone didn't get a purple heart or few of them, it sure seems unfair.

First of all, you do not get a PH for being brave. Got it?

Second, when you say that everyone "did something as brave or daring as Kerry did", are you being serious? I ask this because that statement, if you really mean it, is false -- and ridiculous on top of that.

Can you get it through your head that most of those who served in Vietnam weren't even in combat?

Doug Reese