U.S. Poverty jumps from 14.3% to 15.1% since 2009

[Pandora]

It was only after nancy pelosi took the house that I started personally feeling hard times.

I don't think my integrity has anything to do with the facts. A lot of people are to blame for the recession that began under Bush. You also have to remember that the Dems took control of congress in 2006 and the House is where spending originates.

The American people are turning away from Obama because his policies are not working but making things worse. That has nothing to do with Bush.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

And a conservative or libertarian would say it's the guy's own fault for getting too close to the edge personal responsibility!

so you agree, if you have no insurance, die.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

It was only after nancy pelosi took the house that I started personally feeling hard times.

and you don't think it had anything to do with the white house..or those in charge all the years before ...somehow she just magicly made evrything fall apart even the systems that built up for years to fall..

there was a blue moon the same month, maybe you should blame the moon for it.

 

[Pandora]

and you don't think it had anything to do with the white house..or those in charge all the years before ...somehow she just magicly made evrything fall apart even the systems that built up for years to fall..

there was a blue moon the same month, maybe you should blame the moon for it.

I think mostly congress can be blamed for things not the president, not even obama

but when a president advocates for something and congress passes it then that president gets the blame

bush gets the blame for no child left behind obama gets the blame for obamacare and they both have to eat tarp

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I think mostly congress can be blamed for things not the president, not even obama

but when a president advocates for something and congress passes it then that president gets the blame

bush gets the blame for no child left behind obama gets the blame for obamacare and they both have to eat tarp

actuly Obama did not push for Obama care...he pushed for Insurance reform...what was passed was what Congress came up with after having to give and give and give crap that would have made it better to pass it..due to the filibusterer...if the house and Senate had agreed to a bill with no mandate..he would have signed and pushed that as well. He was actually against the Mandate personaly...but as president you dont get to put anything in the bill..you just get to vote sign or veto and say what you want...but no one has to do it.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

so you agree, if you have no insurance, die.

does your silence mean you agree?

 

[Pandora]

actuly Obama did not push for Obama care...he pushed for Insurance reform...what was passed was what Congress came up with after having to give and give and give crap that would have made it better to pass it..due to the filibusterer...if the house and Senate had agreed to a bill with no mandate..he would have signed and pushed that as well. He was actually against the Mandate personaly...but as president you dont get to put anything in the bill..you just get to vote sign or veto and say what you want...but no one has to do it.

They don't get to put anything in the bill but they do get to say what they want and he said what he wanted, thank god he didn't get it all or it would be even worse than it is if it is possible to get worse than it is.

he could also send it back and say I cant sign this till it has this that or the other thing but he didn't he signed it without reading it just like everyone else

 

[Pandora]

does your silence mean you agree?

If you were talking to me, my silence meant I had to go to bed and sleep

 

[Gipper]

his policies not working . aka he has not fixed the problem fast enough...but that is different then he is to blame for the problem in the first place that was there before he was in office....as for his policies....Republicans have done there best to stop most, and half of what he has signed was as the Speaker put it 98% of what they wanted..2% his plan...The Stim even, that did create jobs just not enough...was 40% tax cuts...but that was not enough for the Right...even though many on the left said tax cuts do not creat jobs that spending does...and wanted more spending and a bigger deal...this issue was compounded later when studies showed the econ was more in the hole then was first though when it passed...Republicans have had power in the house for a while now...what have they done that is effective? Say no to everything and created a fake crisis about the debt ceiling that hurt the econ and cost jobs...but gained them tea party support.

Let's see...the Rs have controlled the House for about 7 months. BO has been POTUS for almost three years and the Ds have had total control of Congress for several years prior to the Rs taking the House and still control the Senate.

What some conclude from those facts, are the Rs are at fault for the bad economy and BO and the Ds are not.

CRAZY!!!

 

[Openmind]

Let's see...the Rs have controlled the House for about 7 months. BO has been POTUS for almost three years and the Ds have had total control of Congress for several years prior to the Rs taking the House and still control the Senate.

What some conclude from those facts, are the Rs are at fault for the bad economy and BO and the Ds are not.

CRAZY!!!

Were you in a coma in 2008? Or do you just have a "selective memory?"

It is not the Democrats or Obama who want to cut "entitlement" programs for the poor and keep the "entitlement" programs for the wealthy!

It is not the Democrats who cheer at the thought of letting a 30 year old man die if he doesn't have insurance.

It is not the Democrats who have wanted to continue the "Bush tax cut for the rich" for another 2 years (and. . .actually, for ever if the GOP wins in 2012!)

It is not the Democrats who want to keep the poorest people from having an early term abortion if they are faced with the hard decision to bring another child in this world, when they can't even feed the children they already have, and are afraid that the GOP will cut their food stamps even further!

And I believe it is Michele Bachman, the queen of the tea party who calls the "Morning after pill" the "Morning after ABORTION pill," either because she is stupid herself, and doesn't know that, the morning after, the sperm may not even have reached the egg, and it certainly has not yet implanted in the uterus. . .but I believe even she knows that. . .she just feels free to speak such non-sense because she has such low regard for her "base's" intelligence and education!

The GOP policies are clearly AGAINST helping the poor and the middle class, and FOR helping the top 2%! The GOP is the party who wants EVERYONE to pay federal taxes, no matter if they don't have enough money to put food on the table for their kids!

And you are proud of this. . .so why not recognize it, when the consequences of the REAL redistribution of wealth that occurred under GWBush are demonstrated through the statistics?

 

[Dr.Who]

Then, how do you explain that the percentage of poverty INCREASES under Republican administrations, but DECREASES under Democrat administrations?

That little graph was missing so much data it is laughable. Your statement is either showing amazing negligence or it is a lie but it is not demonstrating informed honesty

That graph was missing at least one republican admin, fails to note congress and skips times when the numbers go in the other direction.

 

[Dr.Who]

Poor people ARE paying taxes. . .just not Federal taxes.

What do you want them to pay taxes with. . . an income of less than 22,000 per year for 4 people?

They do pay sales taxes on every penny they make. . .because they don't make enough to "save" money, so they use ALL their income to purchase necessities. . .not "wants".

Do you want them to cut their grocery bill by half so they could pay some Federal taxes?

You are such a giving heart! I am just so very glad I don't know you!

43% of the poor actually own their own homes so clearly they have been saving quite a lot.

I suppose when one makes 22K and then is given a bunch of goodies on top one might actually be better off than someone else who makes slightly more but is not given so many goodies.

Speaking of wants:

* Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
* Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
* Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
* The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
* Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
* Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
* Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
* Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.


Your statement is either showing amazing negligence or it is a lie but it is not demonstrating informed honesty.

 

[Dr.Who]

I didn't say othewise. . .did I???

Which makes me think that your statements are not just negligent.

 

[Dr.Who]

yes its all Obamas fault...because the poor here doing great under Bush right? When the housing market crashed before Obama was in office, that really helped the poor..when the econ tanked before Obama it really helped them...
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They are doing better than the middle class in Europe. They are doing better each year measured in standards of what they absolutely have rather than just by comparing them to rich folks.

 

[Dr.Who]

so you agree, if you have no insurance, die.

No one dies for lack of insurance.

If one does not have insurance then he should be helped but no one should be forced to do the helping.