Turning Point: Couric Rips Obama

[BigRob]

Just because he took over, does not mean that he can work a mirical and undo 8 years of failed policy at will. Even if he was a Dictator he could not fix it with a wand. And looks like soon we will have about 50,000 more troops in Afganistan then there where when Bush left office....But problem is, we needed those troops 7 years ago and it will be alot harder of a fix now then it would have then. And as for the stimulus, what did you expect..? it passes and all of the sudden in a month the econ is like it was in the 90's again?

The only ones who seem to think Obama is some form of a god, with special powers to just make things happen at a snap of the fingers....are the ones who don't like him.

No one expects him to fix something overnight. However, the idea that there were 8 years of failed policies is somewhat outrageous. Can I say we are at 1 year of failed Obama policies for not "fixing" anything?

Afghanistan was going to be tough regardless. 50,000 more troops seven years ago would have made no difference without a strategy change.

As for the stimulus, I expected it to be a waste of money from the get go. To date, it seems I have been correct.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Student loans have always been there for anyone who wants them. It would be wiser to lower the cost of going to college, but then all those socialist teachers would have to work for less. So I highly doubt that is going to happen.

I would agree with you that he is taking on too much and what he is doing he isnt doing very well. The stim package was 99 percent waste so far, money to friends for stupid things that dont stimulate. Then when you pile on cap and trade in the mix knowing how well the stim package was planned, its not hard to get negative.


Do you think obama IS this Country? I some how am not shocked if thats true. You said you think there are people who want the Country to fail to score points. Those days are long past...You must be thinking of the democrat party before the 2004 election. When they actually had glee on their faces during katrina and when any soilder died in Iraq. They could not wait to get on TV to say "the war has failed" talk about dead soilders, following cindy sheehan and her two friends (who by the way the left now wishes she would just go away)

You have it butt backwards. There are Americans who want this monster you call the health care bill to fail, cap and trade to fail and programs like that.


Those same people who want those pathetic programs to fail want obama to kick ass in Afganistan and Iraq. Want him to win the war's or get them out if all they will be is sitting ducks. They want the strongest America possible

First, 99% a waste? I agree... lets start by reversing the Tax Cuts in it, after all that was in fact a big chunk of it. But of course the right always forgets that part of it...Also don't forget, polls show more then half the nation wants the public option, and there is a reason AMERICA voted more for Obama then McCain..You right wing hacks always seem to think that Conservative = what is American and anything else is UnAmerican as if it lived in a Conservative Dictatorship.

And also, if you wish to see what realy being attacked personalty looks like...try implying that the left was happy to see our troops Killed in Iraq again, and that the left was happy all those people died and lost homes in Katrina again...Trust me, it will not be pretty. I do not stand for that crap. You want to call the left UnAmerican, or Unpatriotic, or what have you. Then I will call you on it, and if it means I get banned, I would not care.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

No one expects him to fix something overnight. However, the idea that there were 8 years of failed policies is somewhat outrageous. Can I say we are at 1 year of failed Obama policies for not "fixing" anything?

Afghanistan was going to be tough regardless. 50,000 more troops seven years ago would have made no difference without a strategy change.

As for the stimulus, I expected it to be a waste of money from the get go. To date, it seems I have been correct.

7 years ago, we could have kept the Taliban from retaking the 80% of teh nation back again. And yes a new strategy would have been needed as well. it was from very early on, when we let Bin Ladin Slip away in tora Bora while he was so close he had him on radio knowing he was there very near us. But for some reason, they did not want to use US troops in real numbers and relied on troops we knew we could not trust...we could have crushed the leadership then and there...we failed horribly due to lack of troops on the ground.

And again the stimuls, was not expected to realy kick in into later, as it takes time to kick in. And I think most of the tax cuts where a waste as i don't think they helped stimulate anything, but where there to try to get Republican support....who of course since it was Obama would never support it in any form , even if it was 99% tax cuts

 

[BigRob]

7 years ago, we could have kept the Taliban from retaking the 80% of teh nation back again. And yes a new strategy would have been needed as well. it was from very early on, when we let Bin Ladin Slip away in tora Bora while he was so close he had him on radio knowing he was there very near us. But for some reason, they did not want to use US troops in real numbers and relied on troops we knew we could not trust...we could have crushed the leadership then and there...we failed horribly due to lack of troops on the ground.

And again the stimuls, was not expected to realy kick in into later, as it takes time to kick in. And I think most of the tax cuts where a waste as i don't think they helped stimulate anything, but where there to try to get Republican support....who of course since it was Obama would never support it in any form , even if it was 99% tax cuts

I would have supported the stimulus if was going to do anything. But $300 billion in tax cuts followed by $500 billion is random spending is not going get the economy back on track. The private sector could have gotten it back on track for free.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I would have supported the stimulus if was going to do anything. But $300 billion in tax cuts followed by $500 billion is random spending is not going get the economy back on track. The private sector could have gotten it back on track for free.

I would have spent the 300 billion...and could the market do it? sure? but how long would that take? And without some of that stimuls, States would be raising taxes or cutting even more then they already are.

 

[BigRob]

I would have spent the 300 billion...and could the market do it? sure? but how long would that take?

That is up for debate.

And without some of that stimuls, States would be raising taxes or cutting even more then they already are.

So what?

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Amusing this topic & title: I also receive the NEWSMAX email updates and scanned this article and thought...Hmmm isn't that interesting that NEWSMAX is highlighting her comments when 'Morning Joe' has been saying the very same thing for MONTHS...

Seriously, you really need to broaden your media sources...this shouldn't have been such a 'HEADLINER NEWS ITEM' but NEWSMAX managed to make it out to be one...LMAO

Did you also sign up for your discounted BEST SELLER - Sara Palin Book that Newsmax is still pushing to get rid of all those thousands that they pre-ordered to get her on the BEST SELLER LISTING

 

[chestnut]

All it shows is the republican noise machine has done a good job...with its misleading "facts" on health care, and its trying ignore that the Econ tanked under them and it is not a easy fix...so people will blame the one in office now , even though he did not cause it. And the Afghanistan problem is alot harder and more complicated them most Americans understand because Bush failed to realy let people know what we where doing there...and then just let it fall to the wayside and we have to basically start over now. He got handed a hard job, and its to soon to judge how well he does it.

Also seems the media is only critical of Obama...If Fox or NewsMax report it...since its not news to the left that he gets criticized by the media

It shows Obama sucks! That's it. Period. Non disputable.

He didn't have the skills to do the job he was elected for or the results would have been different.

He's getting what he deserves and I think it's grand that he's failing miserably. "Not the country" but Obama's plans.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

That is up for debate.



So what?

so would raising taxes in the states and or cuting even more spending on schools and roads ext...help the econ grow faster?

as for up for debate...of course it is, its economics...it always is...becuse you can't change the past so what outcome the future has. just like its possible if we did not bail out the banks, it all worked out great anyway...and its possible we ended up 10 times worse then where we are today...there is no way to prove one way or the other

 

[Pandora]

Poor OBama. Got handed a hard job. He wasn't "handed" a hard job.HE ASKED FOR IT; SAID HE COULD DO IT; WON IT. He hasn't done it. Bush did a lot of things wrong. So is OBama. Time for OBama to quit blaming Bush. Who did the last stimulus package? Tell me something he has done right. What has he accomplished? Bush messed up. Okay. I get that. He did. Now. Let's tell the truth. OBama is messing up. No, I don't blame just OBama. Nancy Pelosi is a problem, too. But, let's quit coddling OBama. He's a grown man, asked for the Presidency and he won it. Now he needs to grow up and act like a leader, not a super star. I see him as weak. Nobody has to tell me to see him that way. He is weak. He is not a leader. He should've stayed where he was.

Hello Sharon, welcome to the HOP. Great to read your thoughts. I tend to agree with much of it

 

[Pandora]

First, 99% a waste? I agree... lets start by reversing the Tax Cuts in it, after all that was in fact a big chunk of it. But of course the right always forgets that part of it...Also don't forget, polls show more then half the nation wants the public option, and there is a reason AMERICA voted more for Obama then McCain..You right wing hacks always seem to think that Conservative = what is American and anything else is UnAmerican as if it lived in a Conservative Dictatorship.

And also, if you wish to see what realy being attacked personalty looks like...try implying that the left was happy to see our troops Killed in Iraq again, and that the left was happy all those people died and lost homes in Katrina again...Trust me, it will not be pretty. I do not stand for that crap. You want to call the left UnAmerican, or Unpatriotic, or what have you. Then I will call you on it, and if it means I get banned, I would not care.

No worries Pocket, you will never be banned.

Are you saying its ok for Bunz to say conservatives want the country to fail because they cant hold their nose long enough to get on the obama bus of bad ideas but its not ok for me to point out during the 2004 election John Freaking Kerry (who served in Vietnam) said horrible things about our troops? What sick twisted thing did he claim? Our troops were terrorizing kids and children in the dead of night.... Or Jack Murtha accused U.S. Marines
of killing innocent Iraqi civilians "in cold blood. Even when the Marines were proven not guilty that jack ass never said sorry...

The Katrina thing is on a personal level I cant google for you. My boss and all the libs at work shared a photo shop of Bush Sr and Jr fishing in the flood Katrina left behind, lauging and joking.. as people were dying. I did not find it funny but they did because it was something to hurt Bush and hurt republicans.

As for being unAmerican, I have never called anyone here un American, though I have been called Un American here and considering who said it, I am damn proud to be their version of Un American

you want to let me have it, you go right ahead and let me have it. I am not going to ignore when someone accuses conservatives of wanting our Country to fail because we dont want obamas pathetic programs that will destroy the country.

 

[Pandora]

It shows Obama sucks! That's it. Period. Non disputable.

He didn't have the skills to do the job he was elected for or the results would have been different.

He's getting what he deserves and I think it's grand that he's failing miserably. "Not the country" but Obama's plans.

To me the point of making the thread was its not just conservatives saying it anymore.

The conservatives have complained from the start and not too long into this administration the far far left started complaining that he was going to "right" for them, but the main stream left leaning has not said much till now, thats a good sign to me. more so that they are complaining about the same things we have been complaining about for a while now.

 

[BigRob]

so would raising taxes in the states and or cuting even more spending on schools and roads ext...help the econ grow faster?

It might allow for a true correction...

as for up for debate...of course it is, its economics...it always is...becuse you can't change the past so what outcome the future has. just like its possible if we did not bail out the banks, it all worked out great anyway...and its possible we ended up 10 times worse then where we are today...there is no way to prove one way or the other

Well... when pushing bailouts and spending, the government sure seemed "sure" that without our spending, we were all doomed. Perhaps they were just full of it?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

It might allow for a true correction...



Well... when pushing bailouts and spending, the government sure seemed "sure" that without our spending, we were all doomed. Perhaps they were just full of it?

its politics, you can just let the econ work its way back...but while you wait, they all get booted out of office because its there fault no one has jobs...NO one gets Elected on, in a few years it will all work out don't worry..untill then your unemployed. And If the banks where to big to fail now, just wait till you watch them all fall, and only 1 or 2 are left taking over....and then the next one happens...

Also true corrections are nice....to bad those are real jobs and lives being effected...not numbers in a Econ worksheet in Econ class.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

No worries Pocket, you will never be banned.

Are you saying its ok for Bunz to say conservatives want the country to fail because they cant hold their nose long enough to get on the obama bus of bad ideas but its not ok for me to point out during the 2004 election John Freaking Kerry (who served in Vietnam) said horrible things about our troops? What sick twisted thing did he claim? Our troops were terrorizing kids and children in the dead of night.... Or Jack Murtha accused U.S. Marines
of killing innocent Iraqi civilians "in cold blood. Even when the Marines were proven not guilty that jack ass never said sorry...

The Katrina thing is on a personal level I cant google for you. My boss and all the libs at work shared a photo shop of Bush Sr and Jr fishing in the flood Katrina left behind, lauging and joking.. as people were dying. I did not find it funny but they did because it was something to hurt Bush and hurt republicans.

As for being unAmerican, I have never called anyone here un American, though I have been called Un American here and considering who said it, I am damn proud to be their version of Un American

you want to let me have it, you go right ahead and let me have it. I am not going to ignore when someone accuses conservatives of wanting our Country to fail because we dont want obamas pathetic programs that will destroy the country.

Boo hoo they had fun laughing at a pic of Bush Photoshped..And do you think one of them would have said it was worth the damage and lives lost, so they could make fun of his horrible job dealing with it? But glad to see you did not see it was funny, to bad I am pretty sure had Obama been in office you would have.

And as for Kerry and them...You know people who served...I don't see you saying anything about them enjoying watching out troops die as you suggested...And you know what, our troops did do bad things in Iraq...and even did some that where not punished....I know you would like to pretend we went threw all nice and polite and nothing bad ever happened at that hands of our troops...it fits your pretty world view of black and white. But if you want to keep thinking the left wants our troops to die, then you need a serious head adjustment. It would make it pretty clear you are worthless to debate, because if thats the type of thinking you go in with, then your never going to listen to anyone on the left and its a waste of time.

and as for Bunz...as I recall, many republicans came out and said it , that they want his plans to fail...thus they want the economy to fail...thus they wanted America..to fail....You show me a liberal ( not a Damn Anarchist) saying they want Iraq to fail, or Wanted the Econ to destroy itself under Bush, or wants out Troops to die...then you can have a case. And if you take issue with what bunz said, tell him, I did not see what ever your talking about, but I do see you saying it. So if you want to sling those statements around, then trust me, I can very easily get banned. On my old board, where I was a mod, someone said something like that...I had to post 3 times becuse I filled the pages telling them exacly what I thought of them. Becuse you know what the left is just as American as all the right wings hacks on the radio and Fox news who like to act like they are not.