Truisms

[Gipper]

In fact, there are many conservatives who want ot destroy, or at least greatly weaken the safety net. Just about the entire repugnican
party wants to. They have this loaded term called "entitlements", implying that poor people or those down on their luck want the government to provide everything for them and that htey don't want to work.
If the repugnican party got its way, it would be disastrous for many innocent Americans, including children.
If Romney wins, he will no doubt greatly decrease government help for young people who want to get college, graduate,law or medical degrees, which will just be shooting America in the leg. We need well-educated people in th e fields of medicine and science badly in order to remain competitive in the world . Providing more funding for young people to get good educations is GOOD for America. Without it,
many talented and hard-working young people will not get the chance to make great contribiutions to America and the world.
I'm convinced that Romeny, even though he means well, will cave in to the right-wing extremists and do an enormous amount of harm to America. '
It's very bad for America to have so many people stuck indefinitely on welfare . But we will never be able to do something about this problem unless the government makes it possible for them to find jobs which pay enough for them to become solid citizens .
But repugnicans always blame the victims, and offer absolutely no solution to the problem of welfare other than saying, "Go out an dget jobs,you lazy bums "! If only it were that easy for them to do this !
Despite all the adulation conservatives have for the late Ronald Reagan, h9is presidency actually increased poverty greatly in America.
He had heard wildly exaggerated stories of welfare fraud and unemployed people supposedly living high off the hog through welfare.
Welfare fraud certainly exists , but it's never been that bad . So what did he do? He greatly reduced help for the poor, and many
people suffered greatly because of this.

Quit being a pansy. Stop demanding that someone else provide for YOU. Provide for yourself.

Government does not exist to provide it's citizens with freebies. But, apparently lefties like you think it does. Why are you so feeble and weak that you demand someone else support you?

Why have you failed to understand this from Benjamin Franklin -

They who can give up essential ​

liberty​

to obtain a little temporary safety ​

deserve​

neither ​

liberty​

nor safety.​

While our nation is self destructing under trillions of dollars of debt, thanks to progressives and libs, people like you demand more. Why?

You make many accusations in your post, but fail to back any of it up with reliable sources. Why?

 

[Robert Berger]

I'm not talking about the government providing everything for people and encouraging them not to work. I'm talking about honest, hard-working people who are out of work through no fault of their own and can't find jobs. Also,people who are disabled in accidents or struck by catastrophic illnesses and unable to provide
for their families.
Sometimes, people need help from the government. Private charities, while all well and good, cannot possibly provide for every one in need . We all have to contribute taxes for these things, because none of us knows when we might be down on our luck and helpless . The safety net is NOT socialism. It's good government. Destroy or greatly weaken that net, and it will be catastrophic for many,many people .

 

[dogtowner]

Private charities, while all well and good, cannot possibly provide for every one in need .

why not ?

We all have to contribute taxes for these things, because none of us knows when we might be down on our luck and helpless . The safety net is NOT socialism. It's good government. Destroy or greatly weaken that net, and it will be catastrophic for many,many people .

no mention of charity or safety net in the Constitution. whether its socialism or not, its not justified.

 

[Robert Berger]

No mention of a safety net in the Constitution? There are lots of things the constitution doesn't mention.
People like you use the constitution as an excuse to advocate getting rid of or banning anythoing you happen to disprove
of. The original constitution doesn't say that blacks or women can vote, or that blacks and whites can marry, or
that slavery should be abolished . The constitution doesn't say that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. There is nothing in it saying that same sex marriage can't be allowed .
So you think the government should just get rid of all programs to help people just because of what YOU imagine the constitution to mean ?
Sheesh !

 

[GenSeneca]

Sometimes, people need help from the government.

You mean... Sometimes government needs to force some individuals to labor without compensation for the benefit of another individual. What (if any) objection(s) do you have to slavery?

 

[dogtowner]

No mention of a safety net in the Constitution? There are lots of things the constitution doesn't mention.
People like you use the constitution as an excuse to advocate getting rid of or banning anythoing you happen to disprove
of. The original constitution doesn't say that blacks or women can vote, or that blacks and whites can marry, or
that slavery should be abolished . The constitution doesn't say that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. There is nothing in it saying that same sex marriage can't be allowed .
So you think the government should just get rid of all programs to help people just because of what YOU imagine the constitution to mean ?
Sheesh !

while people like you just ignore that it exists at all.

you make an interesting point bringing up slavery which got abolished by constitutional amendment. see how it works ? there is a simple process for making changes that the country wants.

so use it, don't just ignore it as you please.

 

[Aus22]

If by magic, we could eliminate the USA from start to finish, as if it never existed, the world would be living in squalor and tyranny, while warming yourselves by the fire....and Aussies would be speaking Japanese will serving their Jap masters. To fail to recognize this, proves how successful leftist group think has been.

You said > Only in the USA do you see beggars in every city > really? Do you not see how ignorant that statement is? I have spent a lot of time in the socialist paradise of Canada and have seen lots of beggars there. Gotcha!!!

Yes our p-school system sucks. But, do you know why? Because of leftism of course. The libs control the p-schools from top to bottom and libs, once in total control of ANYTHING,...destroy it. However, our university system is still the envy of the world in many respects...even though leftists work night and day to turn it into a brainwashing machine.

The USA healthcare system is the best in the world, but very expensive and why? Again all thanks to leftist politicians who impose rules and regulations which raise costs...all in a transparent effort to kill the system and impose shitty government HC. The wealthy of the world still come here for their care because they know it is the best. But, thanks to leftists, we too may suffer under the horrendous failure that is socialized medicine....but gee....its FREEEEEEEE...and a human right.....YIPPEE!!!!

To think that the answer is "left wing parties" is the exact opposite of the SOLUTION. It is left wing parties that are killing the USA. To believe as you do, is proof of how successful the Left has been in brainwashing many.

Orwell's '1984' missed by only a few years.

Is Canada the only country outside the USA you visited. Canada is highly influence by the USA and yeas it does have beggars. There are few if any in Australia. The American education system is based on four year High Schools. Most countries have a six year High School follow by a fou or three year degree. Some American universities follow this system but most do not.
The USA is still the only delevoped country without universal Health care. You do not have socialised medicine
If the rich go to the USA for medical care the poor go to Canada from the USA.
You may not believe in a redistrabution of taxes to the poor but you do have a progressive tax system. The rich are suppose to pay 30% of their income in taxes while the poor pay 10%. Many of t6he rich find loopholes.
However the income from the tax system is meant to help the poor.

 

[Gipper]

Is Canada the only country outside the USA you visited. Canada is highly influence by the USA and yeas it does have beggars. There are few if any in Australia. The American education system is based on four year High Schools. Most countries have a six year High School follow by a fou or three year degree. Some American universities follow this system but most do not.
The USA is still the only delevoped country without universal Health care. You do not have socialised medicine
If the rich go to the USA for medical care the poor go to Canada from the USA.
You may not believe in a redistrabution of taxes to the poor but you do have a progressive tax system. The rich are suppose to pay 30% of their income in taxes while the poor pay 10%. Many of t6he rich find loopholes.
However the income from the tax system is meant to help the poor.

So, we can agree that beggars exist throughout the world, not just in US cities as you stated. Glad you can admit your mistake.

The US p-school system of 4 years of high school has been unchanged for many decades. It use to be considered excellent up and into the 1960s. Then, JFK allowed the so called teachers to unionize....resulting in the disaster we see today. So, the structure of 4 years of high school has nothing to do with the poor performance of students...it is all the fault of teachers, administrators, and the f-ing teachers union...along with the complete lack of discipline in the p-schools, which is the fault of the same culprits.

So what if the USA is the only developed nation without shitty universal care??? That means nothing to me. Why would we want to emulate the failures of other nations? The thing many on the left will never understand is allowing a huge omnipresent government to control and perform a service like HC, is ALWAYS a HUGE mistake.

You need to understand that the poor in the US live better than most of the rest of the world. $15 TRILLION dollars has been spent on the war on poverty in the USA since the 1960s....FACT!!! But, anyone suggesting we do something different, is labelled a racist and hater of the poor. See of the left works?

No one on the Right wishes to eliminate helping the poor.....though kooky leftists and the lib media like to claim they do....this no doubt has influenced and brainwashed YOU.

 

[Robert Berger]

Someday YOU may be in need of help . Suppose you had lost your job, your home, you couldn't feed your family.
Then you come down(God forbid) with some serious illness or are permanently disabled in an accident .
And there's nobody and nothing to help you. So you die, leaving your family helpless . Get my point?
We all have to contribute somethoing so that people who are down on their luck are not screwed
Therehas to be a safety net .

 

[Gipper]

Someday YOU may be in need of help . Suppose you had lost your job, your home, you couldn't feed your family.
Then you come down(God forbid) with some serious illness or are permanently disabled in an accident .
And there's nobody and nothing to help you. So you die, leaving your family helpless . Get my point?
We all have to contribute somethoing so that people who are down on their luck are not screwed
Therehas to be a safety net .

Complete and utter nonsense, but leftist thinking. Amazing how many of you are brainwashed.

I and most on the right are not demanding the safety net be eliminated, but you keep believing the lies you are told daily by the lib media and the commie party.

1984 is here in 2012....Newspeak has come to America...and many like you are duped.

 

[Aus22]

So, we can agree that beggars exist throughout the world, not just in US cities as you stated. Glad you can admit your mistake.

The US p-school system of 4 years of high school has been unchanged for many decades. It use to be considered excellent up and into the 1960s. Then, JFK allowed the so called teachers to unionize....resulting in the disaster we see today. So, the structure of 4 years of high school has nothing to do with the poor performance of students...it is all the fault of teachers, administrators, and the f-ing teachers union...along with the complete lack of discipline in the p-schools, which is the fault of the same culprits.

So what if the USA is the only developed nation without shitty universal care??? That means nothing to me. Why would we want to emulate the failures of other nations? The thing many on the left will never understand is allowing a huge omnipresent government to control and perform a service like HC, is ALWAYS a HUGE mistake.

You need to understand that the poor in the US live better than most of the rest of the world. $15 TRILLION dollars has been spent on the war on poverty in the USA since the 1960s....FACT!!! But, anyone suggesting we do something different, is labelled a racist and hater of the poor. See of the left works?

No one on the Right wishes to eliminate helping the poor.....though kooky leftists and the lib media like to claim they do....this no doubt has influenced and brainwashed YOU.

 

[Aus22]

There are beggars throughout the world. But I have never seen so many in a developed countries than in the USA. Begging is illegal in Australia. There are a few street performers but nothing like those I seen in the USA last year.
Your school system is inferior to most advance countries and the percentage who even go to college is low. Here in Australia over 90% go to six year high school and 530 % go to university.
Medical treatment from doctors and most hospitals is free. Medicine is subsidised by the government, Average perscriptions cost $5.
I am not saying we are perfect . Or that all Americans hate the poor. I already pointed out you have progressive taxation.
But I am say a conservative economic policy like that advocated by the Republicans there and Conservative parties elsewhere is bad.

 

[Gipper]

There are beggars throughout the world. But I have never seen so many in a developed countries than in the USA. Begging is illegal in Australia. There are a few street performers but nothing like those I seen in the USA last year.
Your school system is inferior to most advance countries and the percentage who even go to college is low. Here in Australia over 90% go to six year high school and 530 % go to university.
Medical treatment from doctors and most hospitals is free. Medicine is subsidised by the government, Average perscriptions cost $5.
I am not saying we are perfect . Or that all Americans hate the poor. I already pointed out you have progressive taxation.
But I am say a conservative economic policy like that advocated by the Republicans there and Conservative parties elsewhere is bad.

Beggars: well well...the USA should just make begging illegal like the tyrannical Aussie government does. Then we would have no beggars. Do you fail to see how silly your point is?

US Schools: once again you have your facts wrong....something like 66% of American high schoolers go on to college. http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51

Conservative economic policy: you say its bad, but why? Is controlling and limiting entitlements bad...this of course is the opinion held be many leftists. They prefer continuing to explode the debt to the point were the nation implodes. Do you fail to comprehend the problem with UNLIMITED government?

It seems to me that you are very much like many American liberal. You want the government to provide all your needs for free or little cost. But, you fail to understand how dangerous this is, just like American liberals.

 

[Aus22]

Beggars: well well...the USA should just make begging illegal like the tyrannical Aussie government does. Then we would have no beggars. Do you fail to see how silly your point is?

US Schools: once again you have your facts wrong....something like 66% of American high schoolers go on to college. http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51

Conservative economic policy: you say its bad, but why? Is controlling and limiting entitlements bad...this of course is the opinion held be many leftists. They prefer continuing to explode the debt to the point were the nation implodes. Do you fail to comprehend the problem with UNLIMITED government?

It seems to me that you are very much like many American liberal. You want the government to provide all your needs for free or little cost. But, you fail to understand how dangerous this is, just like American liberals.

Gipper Your college is equivalent to our six year High School. Our rate of 90% is much higher than the 66% rate you claim.
We do not have two year degrees but our three or four year degrees are 30% equivalent to your 4 year degrees. However our start after college so are longer. We do not have Unlimited Government. We will have surplus this year as we have no GFC.

 

[dogtowner]

Gipper Your college is equivalent to our six year High School. Our rate of 90% is much higher than the 66% rate you claim.
We do not have two year degrees but our three or four year degrees are 30% equivalent to your 4 year degrees. However our start after college so are longer. We do not have Unlimited Government. We will have surplus this year as we have no GFC.

and yet I know a lady, Army brat who spent her teens in the Land Down Under who is struggling to to get her Aussie high school equivalent to qualify as a GED (high school diploma equivalent) right now so she can take some college courses. My niece's Bahamian/English husband had some difficulty as well.