This is what's wrong with USA.

mark francis said:
Christians in rebellion against God are worthless.
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You can be a serial killer, or kill dozens of kids in a school and still go to heaven with everlasting life. All you have to do is believe in Jesus before you die. The pedophile priests will all go to heaven. God has no say in this. Jesus rules! Non-Christians may go to jail, but while waiting in death row a jail priest can brain wash them into accepting Jesus, and they are all set. Isn't that just wonderful!
 
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Lagboltz said:
You can be a serial killer, or kill dozens of kids in a school and still go to heaven with everlasting life. All you have to do is believe in Jesus before you die. The pedophile priests will all go to heaven. God has no say in this. Jesus rules! Non-Christians may go to jail, but while waiting in death row a jail priest can brain wash them into accepting Jesus, and they are all set. Isn't that just wonderful!
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No, sinners don't get to choose when and how to get saved. No sinner will fool God into accepting his claim of salvation if that claim is not based on reality. If Jesus does not first draw the sinner to salvation that sinner cannot get saved, and if a sinner turns his back on the light God gives him in his appointed day of salvation then that sinner will never be able to be saved.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


2 Peter 2:21-22
King James Version

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.​

 
pjmret said:
really? everyone sins so everyone is in rebellion against god so everyone is worthless.

well according to you anyway.

wow you are one hateful *****.
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You fail to distinguish between repentant sinners and sinners in the rebellious state of unrepentance before God.
 
mark francis said:
No, sinners don't get to choose when and how to get saved.
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How do you know that? Have you been saved from what? I'll bet you don't know.
mark francis said:
No sinner will fool God into accepting his claim of salvation if that claim is not based on reality.
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Fancy mentioning reality and god in the same sentence. That's an oxymoron.
mark francis said:
If Jesus does not first draw the sinner to salvation that sinner cannot get saved, and if a sinner turns his back on the light God gives him in his appointed day of salvation then that sinner will never be able to be saved.
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You are a blatant liar and use that as a threat towards atheists. The arrogance of you godbotherers is breathtaking. You cannot possibly know that although that's what YOU want because you Want to punish them. Sound familiar???
mark francis said:
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


2 Peter 2:21-22​

King James Version​

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21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.​

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.​

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You're Bible quotes have the same value as used toilet paper.
 
mark francis said:
You fail to distinguish between repentant sinners and sinners in the rebellious state of unrepentance before God.
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Everyone keeps sinning I don't see much repentance duh
You keep lying for example you don't show any sign of repenting
You are worthless according to your own logic .ol
 
mark francis said:
No, sinners don't get to choose when and how to get saved. No sinner will fool God into accepting his claim of salvation if that claim is not based on reality. If Jesus does not first draw the sinner to salvation that sinner cannot get saved, and if a sinner turns his back on the light God gives him in his appointed day of salvation then that sinner will never be able to be saved.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


2 Peter 2:21-22​

King James Version​

​

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.​

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.​

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This comes from Billy Graham's site

Can God forgive serial killers?

Billy Graham writes, "The amazing thing is that God can forgive anyone who truly repents and puts their faith and trust in Christ for their salvation—even a murderer!"
billygraham.org billygraham.org

The amazing thing, however, is that God can forgive anyone who truly repents and puts their faith and trust in Christ for their salvation—even a murderer!

Seems like a whole lot of Christians think you are wrong.
 
pjmret said:
Everyone keeps sinning I don't see much repentance duh
You keep lying for example you don't show any sign of repenting
You are worthless according to your own logic .ol
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You will have to gain satisfaction for yourself that you understand God properly.
 
mark francis said:
If cop- and conservative-hating blacks can seize whole city blocks and declare them a new nation, and can paint racist slogans in huge letters on American streets across the nation, then atheist barbarians cannot stop Americans from celebrating Christmas in traditional ways they have done for hundreds of years before the communists and racists began taking over.
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He's a idiot I have mostly stopped responding to him
 
Lagboltz said:
This comes from Billy Graham's site

Can God forgive serial killers?

Billy Graham writes, "The amazing thing is that God can forgive anyone who truly repents and puts their faith and trust in Christ for their salvation—even a murderer!"
billygraham.org billygraham.org

The amazing thing, however, is that God can forgive anyone who truly repents and puts their faith and trust in Christ for their salvation—even a murderer!

Seems like a whole lot of Christians think you are wrong.
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God can and does forgive sinners but not according to their plans or methods.
 
mark francis said:
God can and does forgive sinners but not according to their plans or methods.
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The method was clearly spelled out. Believe in Jesus and you are saved, mass murderer or not. If people can fervently believe in Jewish space lasers, a 6000 year old earth.... they certainly have the brain flexibility to fervently believe in Jesus and be saved.

But it's a moot point heaven doesn't exist anyway.
 
Lagboltz said:
The method was clearly spelled out. Believe in Jesus and you are saved, mass murderer or not. If people can fervently believe in Jewish space lasers, a 6000 year old earth.... they certainly have the brain flexibility to fervently believe in Jesus and be saved.

But it's a moot point heaven doesn't exist anyway.
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You obviously believe some things that have never been proven.
 
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