The Bush-"Legacy"

I was unable to watch the video as my speakers have broken, but what war crimes is Bush guilty of in your view?

According to this report something about the Supreme Court coming down on the side of detainees should have been given Geneva Convention rights and the Bush administration pushing to get a law passed with what I guess was retroactive immunity.

I didn't know the Supreme Court ruled on this myself. But that's what this news report says.

Myself personally... I think the tipping point for me was waterboarding. I know it only happened to a few people a bunch of times but I think that was a a big mistake and crossing over into war crime territory.

The secret prison detaining, the Abu Grabe abuses, the whole Gitmo thing... had they not went that next step to TORTURE I could have said either the President didn't specifically OK it... or that it was only a temporary condition as we set up better ground rules in this new type of conflict.

But the bad thing with TORTURE was it was actually formally approved by the President. There's not even any plausible deniability to use like with Reagan and the Iran-Contra arms for hostages deal.

I do understand how you can make a technical definitional difference that it was not because of the dress and status of the Taliban and Al Qaeda forces.

But I personally just don't agree. I think when we are the ones that intentionally make the very definition of a war so broad as in "THE WAR ON TERROR" that we should have then treated the opposing soldiers captured in that war as prisoners of war.
 
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leaders of Vietnam Korea, and other nations have come out and said that what they did to US troops in there conflicts where not against the geniva convention....the reason is that we never declaired war , so officaly they could not be POW's. cant be a prisioner of war , if there is no war...only police action..


while of course this is dumb, its the same kind of logic this stuff opens ourself up to,
 
leaders of Vietnam Korea, and other nations have come out and said that what they did to US troops in there conflicts where not against the geniva convention....the reason is that we never declaired war , so officaly they could not be POW's. cant be a prisioner of war , if there is no war...only police action..


while of course this is dumb, its the same kind of logic this stuff opens ourself up to,

Except under Article II you do not need a formal declaration of war for the Conventions to apply.

They still apply if you abide by the rules in the 3rd Convention, which we did in those wars, and therefore were entitled to POW status.
 
Now, begins the EVAPORATION of the Bush Legacy!!!!!!!!!!!

"Russia has scrapped a plan to deploy missiles in a region near Poland after President Barack Obama dumped the Bush-era plan for a U.S. missile defense in Eastern Europe, a Russian deputy defense minister said Saturday.

Vladimir Popovkin told Ekho Moskvy radio that Obama's move has made the deployment of Iskander short-range missiles in the Kaliningrad region unnecessary.

"Reason has prevailed over ambitions," Popovkin said. "Naturally, we will cancel countermeasures which Russia has planned in response, such as the (planned) deployment of Iskander missiles in the Kaliningrad region."

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" <sniff> What am I gonna do, now, Daddy???"​
 
Awwwwwwwwwwww.....whatta shame.....

It appears The DICK; Cheney had Iran all-prepped-up as Mushroom Cloud II, but....Iraq kinda blew-up-in-their-face, and delayed their move on Iranhttp://rawstory.com/2009/10/iaea-members-question-iran-nuclear-intel-authenticity/....

:rolleyes:

"According to excerpts from an internal IAEA report, published online by the Institute for Science and International Security, allegations that Iran is in fact developing nuclear weapons are based almost entirely on U.S. intelligence given to the agency in 2002-03.

"Whether those documents are genuine or were fabricated has been the subject of a fierce struggle behind the scenes for many months between two departments of the IAEA," noted Gareth Porter writing for IPS News.

While Olli Heinonen, who heads the IAEA's Safeguards Department, has been pressing for the agency to release the report in-full, two of the agency's other divisions have raised fierce objections. Some within the IAEA have even called for the agency to state plainly that the authenticity of the documents could not be confirmed."
 
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"Iraq's cabinet has ratified a deal with two foreign energy companies to develop the giant southern oilfield in Rumaila.

The contract with Britain's BP and CNPC of China is the first major deal with foreign firms to be signed since an international auction in June.


Thirty two companies - including Shell, Exxon, BP and Total - bid for contracts to develop six oil fields and two gas fields in June's televised auction, Iraq's first big oil tender since the invasion of 2003.

But most of the bidders withdrew at the last moment, saying the terms on offer were unfavourable.

BP and CNPC agreed to run the Rumaila field - near the southern city of Basra - after US giant Exxon Mobil turned it down."
Gee.....it isn't like the good ol' days.......​

"Thanks to backing from the U.S. government, Exxon and Mobil together gained a guarantee of one-fourth of the oil produced. The British-controlled Iraqi government received just four shillings per ton of oil. Exxon’s profits per barrel between 1934 and 1939 were more than twice the royalty paid to Iraq."

Better luck, next-Life, Daddy Bush!!!!!!
 
Looks like ol' T. Boone is makin' the Divine Rights argument!!!

(I guess he forgot that It Wasn't About Oil.)

:rolleyes:

"Oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens told Congress on Wednesday that U.S. energy companies are "entitled" to some of Iraq's crude because of the large number of American troops that lost their lives fighting in the country and the U.S. taxpayer money spent in Iraq.

Boone, speaking to the newly formed Congressional Natural Gas Caucus, complained that the Iraqi government has awarded contracts to foreign companies, particularly Chinese firms, to develop Iraq's vast reserves while American companies have mostly been shut out.

"They're opening them (oil fields) up to other companies all over the world ... We're entitled to it," Pickens said of Iraq's oil. "Heck, we even lost 5,000 of our people, 65,000 injured and a trillion, five hundred billion dollars."
 
"As the measure of success in Iraq shifts from peacekeeping to reconstruction, one showcase for American aptitude is the new United States Embassy, the most expensive in the world. The embassy compound, which cost more than $700 million to build, covers 104 acres along the Tigris River and was built in a rapid 34 months amid often unstable conditions.

But according to a report issued last week by the State Department’s inspector general, the complex is a monument to shoddy work and incompetent oversight. Walls and walkways are cracking, sewage gas flows back into residences, wiring is substandard, fire protection systems are faulty and other safety provisions are not up to contract specifications.

The report says that construction “was significantly deficient in multiple areas” and may not meet safety codes. It called on the State Department to seek $132 million in damages from the main construction company, First Kuwaiti General Trading and Contracting, which received $470 million for work on the embassy.

The problems on such a high-profile project reinforce doubts about America’s reconstruction capacity, recently expressed by Iraq’s minister of planning, Ali Ghalib Baban. “America spent a lot of money for rehabilitation of hospitals and built small medical centers,” he said, “but the Ministry of Health found many technical faults in the design of the buildings. Those problems impede us from using the facilities.”

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"Six years ago or so we heard many times how the Democrat party was falling apart and would implode at any day."

That's true, however... since it was primarily the AM radio hatemongers making that claim, accepted by the sheeple that comprise their base, it had no credibility, nor widespread acceptance. As is usually the case, the blubbery blowhards were way off the mark on that one.

Now we're in 2009. After eight years of blind following of the worst president in America's history things have changed. For eight years Republicans, instead of actually helping the incompetent George W. Bush and trying to prop him up, they invested all their energy in rationalizing, justifying, and excusing away blunder after blunder.

Republicans were crushed in two consecutive national elections. The served up Congress to the Democrats. They served by the Senate to the Democrats. They served up the White House to the Democrats. They elevated to hero status individuals like "Joe the Plumber", Sarah "I can see Russia from my house." Palin, even tinfoil hat tea baggers. They gave themselves the appearance of a party made up from the cast of Hee Haw.

Bad news seems to be sweeping over the wingnuts like a tsunami. Only a few days ago the new ABC/Washington Post showed only 20% of Americans now say they are Republicans, the lowest number since they started taking the poll in 1983. It's hard to be much of a national factor when 80% of Americans claim their affiliation to anything but your party. Now there is a new scientific study just released that not only is really bad news for the wingnuts, it's stunningly embarrassing.

It seems the men in the Republican Party have clinically been proven to be woosies. It would be very challenging to recurit new members if the stigma of being a woosie came with your new membership. I guess the wingnut girly men may have to change the meaning of their nickname, G.O.P. (Grand Old Party) to G.O.P. (Group of Pansies).

Study: McCain Voters Lost Testosterone
By BUCK WOLF, Senior Correspondent,
AOL News, October 21, 2009

(Oct. 21) -- Young men who voted for John McCain lost more than a presidential election last November. A study says their testosterone level plummeted.

As polls closed on election night, researchers at Duke University and the University of Michigan had 183 men and women chew gum and spit into test tubes and analyzed their hormones. A few hours later, as Barack Obama supporters began celebrating, they tested hormone levels again, and then later, at two more intervals. Men who voted for Obama maintained stable testosterone levels, while men who voted for McCain saw those levels drop more than 25%.

"What this study shows us is how stress and outside stimulus influences our physiology," said Duke University spokesman Karl Leif Bates. Bates said the hormone study falls in line with other research on how interpersonal contests boost or reduce testosterone. "We've tested men playing video games, and we've found the same temporary drop or rise in testosterone," Bates said. "We're soon going to repeat this test at a Duke-UNC game."

Testosterone –- a hormone a man manufactures in his testes – has been linked to stress, aggression and risk-taking. Women manufacture testosterone, too, in their ovaries and adrenal glands. A woman's testosterone levels are lower, and that makes them less likely to experience rapid testosterone changes. In the study, testosterone levels for Democratic and Republican women remained stable.

Source: http://news.aol.com/article/study-finds-mccain-voters-lost/729783

Maybe this isn't the actual end of the Republican Party, but they're certainly a party comprised of walking wounded.
 
The (Post-BUSHCO) clean-up goes ON!!!

"A defense contractor that supplied vehicle parts for the Iraqi army sought reimbur$ement$ from the U.S. military far in excess of the cost of the items, according to a new report by the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction.

The contractor, Aecom Government Services, charged $237 for a vehicle side mirror that was supposed to cost $14.88, according to the report. The company also submitted invoices to the U.S. military in Iraq seeking reimbursements of $196.50 for a bag of 10 washers that was supposed to cost $1.22, $10 for a fuse that should have cost 45 cents and $210 for an inner tube that was supposed to cost $24.09.

Aecom officials disputed the allegations, telling auditors that the overcharging was the result of "billing errors" that "occurred early in the contract," according to the report, scheduled for release Friday. The company said that "cumulative adjustments were made."

Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the special inspector general, said in the report that the findings point to larger issues with government contracts issued for work in Iraq. Preliminary audits of 22,000 Defense Department transactions involving about $10.7 billion have identified not just overpayments by the government, but also duplicate payments, as well as payments to fictitious vendors and addresses.

The preliminary findings have prompted a decision to examine all financial transactions related to the major U.S. programs in Iraq -- spending that totaled $35.2 billion as of Sept. 30, 2008. The report said particular attention will be paid to programs "that afford easy access to cash," such as the military's $3.6 billion Commander's Emergency Response Program.
Gee, it's amazing what a lil' government-OVERSIGHT can accomplish, when things like deferred-compensation are no-longer an issue.

:rolleyes:
 
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The (Post-BUSHCO) clean-up goes ON!!!



Gee, it's amazing what a lil' government-OVERSIGHT can accomplish, when things like deferred-compensation are no-longer an issue.​


:rolleyes:

So instead of issuing an open 'CREDIT INVOICE' they are actually going to reimburse/cut a check for the "BILLING ERRORS". :confused:
WOW..I would like to the the paper trail for that...Hmmmm
Do you think we could get 'RUSH LIMBAUGH' to follow up? ;)
 
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