Pope's speech causes outrage

[Dawkinsrocks]

Heh, numinus there is plenty of anal sex going on in the straight community.

Just about all of the US' enormous output of hetero porn involves anal scenes to cater for the demand.

Almost everyone has a go at it these days.

And what about oral sex. If you are so hung up about a man putting his dick in a non-vaginal hole are you also raging at those who stick it in a mouth?

And if so is sticking it in a man's mouth different to sticking it in a woman's mouth?

Or what about a water melon?

Or a sock?

Maybe the pope should make a speech against the evils of sock-sex.

It would be as reasonable.

 

[numinus]

Heh, numinus there is plenty of anal sex going on in the straight community.

Just about all of the US' enormous output of hetero porn involves anal scenes to cater for the demand.

Almost everyone has a go at it these days.

The question was, if you cannot be bothered to use your head, is:

I'm sorry but how can anal sex be a safe practice? Or, how is it beneficial?

Kindly peruse your post and tell me exactly how does it answer the question?

And what about oral sex. If you are so hung up about a man putting his dick in a non-vaginal hole are you also raging at those who stick it in a mouth?

And if so is sticking it in a man's mouth different to sticking it in a woman's mouth?

Or what about a water melon?

Or a sock?

The danger in anal sex is you inadverantly introduce fecal matter in your blood stream. Now, if you are saying that your mouth is full of crap, then, there really isn't any difference, now is there?

For the rest of us, we do not suffer from that condition.

Maybe the pope should make a speech against the evils of sock-sex.

It would be as reasonable.

Any sex that does not involve the unitive and procreative aspects of conjugal love is against moral imperative.

Is that clear enough for you?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

''Any sex that does not involve the unitive and procreative aspects of conjugal love is against moral imperative.''

Wow, more numinus 'logic'.

There are so many missed and unsupportable steps in that 'reasoning' I don't know where to start.

But let me help you.

Evolution is where 'morality' comes from and there is clearly a place in evolution for homosexuality.

There have always been homosexuals and it is very clear that it is not a threat to our species as we are so successful.

It is clearly an advantage to the species.

 

[numinus]

''Any sex that does not involve the unitive and procreative aspects of conjugal love is against moral imperative.''

Wow, more numinus 'logic'.

There are so many missed and unsupportable steps in that 'reasoning' I don't know where to start.

You don't know where to start because you haven't read humanae vitae.

Duh?

But let me help you.

Evolution is where 'morality' comes from and there is clearly a place in evolution for homosexuality.

There have always been homosexuals and it is very clear that it is not a threat to our species as we are so successful.

Yikes!

Evolution is supposed to proceed by natural selection -- an advantageous genetic trait being passed on from generation to generation.

How in heavens name can homosexuality be passed on from generation to generation, eh?

What a *****!

It is clearly an advantage to the species.

It is an advantage if the point was to make the specie extinct.

Duh?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

You are clearly an ignoramus where evolution is concerned.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

I do recognize it. Quite frankly, I believe that homosexuality in animals is a product of environmental or societal pressures. Whatever causes it, has no relevance to morality.

Baseless supposition not supported by anything like scientific research.

I'm sorry but how can anal sex be a safe practice? Or, how is it beneficial?

Anal sex is enjoyed by the majority of heterosexual couples according to sex researchers. It's good for hemorrhoids too I've heard. Here's a book on the subject that will broaden your sexual horizons--send a copy to the Pope too--it's only about $10 on Amazon.com.

Anal Pleasure & Health: A Guide for Men and Women by Jack Morin

Actions derive their justification from all sorts of reasons -- hence their moral worth merely subjective.
A moral good is a good in itself.

But it's funny how they change over time. In the Old Testament it was okayed by God to have slaves, commit genocide, take women as the spoils of war, and sell children. Which one of those is good in itself?

You have a rubber yardstick, Nums, you and the Pope flail about with it in an attempt to make everyone live by your rules. Whipped anybody out of the temple recently?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

No. The thing is, you are criticizing the moral teaching of the catholic church without even knowing the logic behind these teachings.

Yeah, right, I was raised in the church.

So, if you really can't be bothered to say exactly what in the document you disagree with, then there really isn't any reason why you should criticize the pope for saying the things he is saying. After all, you are free to ignore him if you wish.

Where would I start? The Pope was a member of Hitler youth, he learned hate speech early. The Nazis killed a lot of gay people and the Pope approved of it. He still approves of it, cursing people in God's name and demanding their death as in the Bible is hate speech.

It is the function of the church to teach, in the same way that its founder taught. It is freely given to people who wish to learn from the church's authority. Nobody will take it against you if you refuse the teaching, now, would they?

Yes, they will, the religious folks have been killing us for centuries, they have passed laws against us, denied us equality, and endless preached our condemnation by God despite Jesus' commandments against it. You own church burned Joan of Arc for being a transsexual. Nice people, Jesus is proud.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Heh, numinus there is plenty of anal sex going on in the straight community.

Just about all of the US' enormous output of hetero porn involves anal scenes to cater for the demand.

Almost everyone has a go at it these days.

And what about oral sex. If you are so hung up about a man putting his dick in a non-vaginal hole are you also raging at those who stick it in a mouth?

And if so is sticking it in a man's mouth different to sticking it in a woman's mouth?

Or what about a water melon?

Or a sock?

Maybe the pope should make a speech against the evils of sock-sex.

It would be as reasonable.

Sock-sex? As long as the sock is made of only one kind of fiber, it's okay, but the Bible says you can't used clothes made of more than one kind of fiber.

Sock-sex? Man, that is twisted!

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

You never wanked into a sock?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

The question was, if you cannot be bothered to use your head, is:I'm sorry but how can anal sex be a safe practice? Or, how is it beneficial?
Kindly peruse your post and tell me exactly how does it answer the question?

I posted a reference work to help you with this problem, Nums. I'll give you a hint: Condoms. It's also a great way to have sex without risk of pregnancy--what with you and the Pople being down on birth control and all. Read the book it'll give you a lot of help. Edit: The Ultimate Guide to Anal Sex for Women, 2nd Edition by Tristan Taormino, here's a second reference work for you, Nums.

The danger in anal sex is you inadverantly introduce fecal matter in your blood stream. Now, if you are saying that your mouth is full of crap, then, there really isn't any difference, now is there?

For the rest of us, we do not suffer from that condition.

Unkind, unpleasant, uncalled for, it makes people think you don't have any real contributions to make to the discussion.

Any sex that does not involve the unitive and procreative aspects of conjugal love is against moral imperative.
Is that clear enough for you?

Who says you, or the Pope, or the Bible are the arbiters of morality for all people? Seems a trifle arrogant to be dictating to everybody else how they should live their lives. How about a little live and let live, and leave the judgment up to God?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Evolution is supposed to proceed by natural selection -- an advantageous genetic trait being passed on from generation to generation.

How in heavens name can homosexuality be passed on from generation to generation, eh?

You may be a good mathematician, but you don't know diddly-squat about genetics. The very fact that homosexual pair-bonding has NOT been bred out of humans and more than 1500 species is the evidence that it has survival value. There seems to be a connection to fertility in women. Women who have at least one homosexual son (not daughters) have higher fertility rate than women without a homosexual son. The statistics are clear. It appears that homosexuality in women may have a whole different genetic genesis than in men. Since we don't know what causes it, since it's found widely in the higher animals, since it's of long historical standing in all cultures, countries, and eras, it may very well be a side-effect of some survival trait that is valuable enough to outweigh the downside of gay males not reproducing at as high a rate as heterosexual males. It might also be good to note that more gay males and lots of lesbians do reproduce, far more than most people realize.

What a *****!

Unkind, unpleasant, uncalled for and it makes you look as if you don't have any real contributions to make to the discussion.

It is an advantage if the point was to make the specie extinct.Duh?

And that's why so many animals exhibit this kind of behavior too? Bone up on your biology, friend.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

You never wanked into a sock?

No, I never did--I must be a sexual under-achiever. Oh wait, I never was a very good "man" so maybe it's because I was a transsexual and never operated in the sexual overdrive that men seem to enjoy.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I find that if I am staying somewhere where I don't feel comfortable about using the sheets I find a sock comes in handy;-)

 

[Segep]

I do recognize it. Quite frankly, I believe that homosexuality in animals is a product of environmental or societal pressures. Whatever causes it, has no relevance to morality.

Ding ding ding! Give that man a prize.

I'm sorry but how can anal sex be a safe practice?

I think as long as you're not participating in it, it's not your concern.

Or, how is it beneficial?

What, all our actions must be beneficial? Tell me, how is posting on this forum beneficial? Do you analyze the moral benefit of every action you take before you take it? I find that hard to believe.

Eh?

Actions derive their justification from all sorts of reasons -- hence their moral worth merely subjective.

A moral good is a good in itself.

As you just stated, moral worth is totally subjective. Forcing your moral code on others is pure selfishness.

 

[Segep]

I find that if I am staying somewhere where I don't feel comfortable about using the sheets I find a sock comes in handy;-)

Yikes. Major chafeage.