Parade of colored revolutions. Who is the next?

[dogtowner]

Dogtower, I am not sure what you mean by saying Russia was a great nation in 1919. I suspect you meant before the Revolution in 1917. Russia become a great nation during the War and early 1950s, This was partly caused by the planned economy. They won the WW2 , put the first man in space and rival the USA in technical advancement in the 1950s. They moved to a more capitalist economy since,
China is now the NO 1 Economic Power. It has a mixture of a planned economy and capitalism. We in Australia sell wheat to China as we used to do to Europe. They pay good money, also for our minerals. Chinese are our no 1 tourist and high in education. Communist is not all bad nor is Capitalism. A combination of a planned economy with Capitalism seems to work best.

My mistake on the date. Yes before the revolution they were great. Yes they were able to build up from plundering their satellites.

 

[Aus22]

I do not think Russia was prosper before the Revolution.Otherwise there would be no revolution. see Russis under the Old Regime ByRrichard Pipes. "The real rulers of Russia ...were Chief of Gendamere Shuvalov and the St Petersburg Chief of Police Trepov...They ruled by fear.... and introduce a polices state long before the Communists.. What liberal reforms attempted were ineffective and The Bolsheviks began to put the pieces of the imperial proto-police apparatus which the short lived and democratic Provisional Government had dismantled".
If is true the USSR exploited its satellites countries but so did the USA. Before that the Roman and British empires were built on the back of colonies . The Roman Empire excluded most from the benefits of the Roman system...The empire had always run for the elite. And while this made for an exploited peasantry ....The Fall of the Roman Empire by Peter Heather.. This was true of the British Empire as well as it Exploited India and Africa to make wealth. The USA grew wealthy at the expense of many South American countries and countries like the Philippines, and Guam.

 

[dogtowner]

I do not think Russia was prosper before the Revolution.Otherwise there would be no revolution. see Russis under the Old Regime ByRrichard Pipes. "The real rulers of Russia ...were Chief of Gendamere Shuvalov and the St Petersburg Chief of Police Trepov...They ruled by fear.... and introduce a polices state long before the Communists.. What liberal reforms attempted were ineffective and The Bolsheviks began to put the pieces of the imperial proto-police apparatus which the short lived and democratic Provisional Government had dismantled".
If is true the USSR exploited its satellites countries but so did the USA. Before that the Roman and British empires were built on the back of colonies . The Roman Empire excluded most from the benefits of the Roman system...The empire had always run for the elite. And while this made for an exploited peasantry ....The Fall of the Roman Empire by Peter Heather.. This was true of the British Empire as well as it Exploited India and Africa to make wealth. The USA grew wealthy at the expense of many South American countries and countries like the Philippines, and Guam.

which countries did the US seize ?
our prosperity had mostly to do with our astounding resources and freedom.

 

[sonyagreen]

As an extension of the topic i want to add something about the media and its role in fooling people.
Media controlled by powers that be work hard to portray the "controllers" in the most favourable light. But what exactly are they doing?

 

[Aus22]

Media in Australia is mainly control by Rupert Murdoch. They certainly influence political discussion although not as bad as Foc News in the USA.

 

[Aus22]

which countries did the US seize ?
our prosperity had mostly to do with our astounding resources and freedom.

I already Mention the Philippines and Guam. There was a war between the USA and the Philippines after the Spanish were defeated. The Filipino r revolution started in June 12 1898. It used to celebrate July 4 as its independence day but it did not gain independence from the Usa . Spauin was not the only Enemy.see Ämerican Occupation of the Philippines 1898-1912""ByJames H .Blount.

 

[Cruella]

Media in Australia is mainly control by Rupert Murdoch. They certainly influence political discussion although not as bad as Foc News in the USA.

How does Fox News Influence the political discussion? Half the people on there are liberal.

 

[Cruella]

Russia become a great nation during the War and early 1950s, This was partly caused by the planned economy. They won the WW2 , put the first man in space and rival the USA in technical advancement in the 1950s. They moved to a more capitalist economy since,
China is now the NO 1 Economic Power..

Where do you get your information? If this is what you were taught in school, God help us.

 

[Aus22]

Where do you get your information? If this is what you were taught in school, God help us.

I am not sue what you disagree with. The suggestion that Russia won WW2 is held by many historians. Britain and the USA were on the winning side but only Russia gain territory. That Russia put the first man in space is a fact . I was alive then surely you were taught this. The statement that China is the number 1 power and will grow faster than any other power is held by many economists.

 

[Gipper]

I already Mention the Philippines and Guam. There was a war between the USA and the Philippines after the Spanish were defeated. The Filipino r revolution started in June 12 1898. It used to celebrate July 4 as its independence day but it did not gain independence from the Usa . Spauin was not the only Enemy.see Ämerican Occupation of the Philippines 1898-1912""ByJames H .Blount.

Yeah....the USA got rich by plundering the amazingly wealthy nations of Guam and Philippines....WTF are you smoking?

 

[dogtowner]

Yeah....the USA got rich by plundering the amazingly wealthy nations of Guam and Philippines....WTF are you smoking?

those two benefited greatly in the exchange.

 

[Cruella]

I am not sue what you disagree with. The suggestion that Russia won WW2 is held by many historians. Britain and the USA were on the winning side but only Russia gain territory. That Russia put the first man in space is a fact . I was alive then surely you were taught this. The statement that China is the number 1 power and will grow faster than any other power is held by many economists.

First off, I have a visceral response to socialism or communism or anyone who sings praises to it. Your statements, may be true on their face, but without digging into the weeds, ignores the real truth. Granted, Russia played a major role in WWII, but they were attacked by Germany on their own soil. They didn't have a choice, and both Britain and the U.S. materially supplied Russia heavily in their effort. There was a lot of dispute between Russia and Germany because of WWI. In some ways WWII was an extension of that, including control of the eastern bloc countries, which Russia felt they had prior to WWI. Would we have won the war without Russia? Maybe not, but it was after all a world war. We didn't even get involved until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor by communist Japan. Russia had no interest in saving Britain either. They were operating in their own self interest and their hatred for Germany. The Germans were paranoid because of Russia's military build-up on their borders. They even justified it as a preemptive attack, thinking is was Russia who was going to take over Europe. Of all the millions of Russians who were killed in WWII, Hitler still can't compare to all the Russians their own government killed. Again, communism fails. .

As far as Russia putting a satelite in orbit first, is also missing the story. If truth be told, it was German scientists and technology who both contries used in a space race. Amazing what competition can do. The U.S. actually announced their intention first to launch into space, but Eisenhower put a hold on the rocket. After Russia launched sputnik, Eisenhower changed his mind and the U.S. launched theirs three months later. But who has had the most success in space? Who put a man on the moon?

With China, they are still in some ways a third world country. Granted they are becoming an economic powerhouse. But not with their own ingenuity or technology. Otherwise they wouldn't have had to steal ours. They are learning what competition in a free market can bring them. But they also have forced labor and poor living conditions for the majority of their people. They have to keep nets along the outside stairwells of their manufacturing plants, because their workers try to jump and commit suicide. Capitalism works great in communist countries? I don't think so. Are those workers ever going to get living wages and buy a home? No. They get a bunk in a dormitory, three squares, clean clothes, and that's about it. They are nothing more than warehoused slaves owned by the state.

 

[Aus22]

First off, I have a visceral response to socialism or communism or anyone who sings praises to it. Your statements, may be true on their face, but without digging into the weeds, ignores the real truth. Granted, Russia played a major role in WWII, but they were attacked by Germany on their own soil. They didn't have a choice, and both Britain and the U.S. materially supplied Russia heavily in their effort. There was a lot of dispute between Russia and Germany because of WWI. In some ways WWII was an extension of that, including control of the eastern bloc countries, which Russia felt they had prior to WWI. Would we have won the war without Russia? Maybe not, but it was after all a world war. We didn't even get involved until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor by communist Japan. Russia had no interest in saving Britain either. They were operating in their own self interest and their hatred for Germany. The Germans were paranoid because of Russia's military build-up on their borders. They even justified it as a preemptive attack, thinking is was Russia who was going to take over Europe. Of all the millions of Russians who were killed in WWII, Hitler still can't compare to all the Russians their own government killed. Again, communism fails. .

As far as Russia putting a satelite in orbit first, is also missing the story. If truth be told, it was German scientists and technology who both contries used in a space race. Amazing what competition can do. The U.S. actually announced their intention first to launch into space, but Eisenhower put a hold on the rocket. After Russia launched sputnik, Eisenhower changed his mind and the U.S. launched theirs three months later. But who has had the most success in space? Who put a man on the moon?

With China, they are still in some ways a third world country. Granted they are becoming an economic powerhouse. But not with their own ingenuity or technology. Otherwise they wouldn't have had to steal ours. They are learning what competition in a free market can bring them. But they also have forced labor and poor living conditions for the majority of their people. They have to keep nets along the outside stairwells of their manufacturing plants, because their workers try to jump and commit suicide. Capitalism works great in communist countries? I don't think so. Are those workers ever going to get living wages and buy a home? No. They get a bunk in a dormitory, three squares, clean clothes, and that's about it. They are nothing more than warehoused slaves owned by the state.

Cruela You should get over your desire to blame communism for every evil. Russia was in WW1 because of the Czars , The Communist revolution remove it from the war..WW2 was mainly started by Germany attacking Poland whom Britain had pledged to defend. Russia move into Poland and kept it after the war. Russia had a peace treaty with Germany before WW2. It was Germany attack on Russia that fail, that turn the war around. Of course 30 Million were killed under Stalin. This was wrong .Japan in the war was fascist not Communist

The first man in space was a Russian, The American took a while to reply on the same scale.. At present the viable space program is run by the Russia. The American use their space station. I am not trying to prove which system is best. Both the Communist planned economy and capitalism have had successes. I think it is too early to say which has the most success.
China has the strongest economy in the world and it is getting stronger. It does not mean it is perfect. There is still poverty in China as there is in the USA. However more people have been removed from poverty in China than any other country in recent years.Not all Chinese work for low wages and live in dormitory. Many are quite wealthy and they form Australia main source of tourists. They all go home after visiting Australia so they are not slaves. . The Suicide rate is the highest in the world in Australia, a capitalist country. The cause of suicide is rarely poverty.

 

[Aus22]

those two benefited greatly in the exchange.

Gipper and Dogtower, It could be claim that the Philippines has been kept poor because of its link with the USA. Even after independence it still elect leaders from the pro American elite. These are corrupt and made the Philippines one of the poorest countries in Asia. Because it is an important American base it will not be allowed to elect left wing leaders.

 

[dogtowner]

Gipper and Dogtower, It could be claim that the Philippines has been kept poor because of its link with the USA. Even after independence it still elect leaders from the pro American elite. These are corrupt and made the Philippines one of the poorest countries in Asia. Because it is an important American base it will not be allowed to elect left wing leaders.

nothing new about corruption, was there before we got there and will be there after we're gone.
not an American base anymore mate, not for some time now.